Nicki on Grammys: They gave it to the white man Bon Iver

[BleepBloop 10,316]

19 minutes ago, WhoDoWeHaveHere said:

no its about quality 

Lol, do you even actually know who Bon Iver is or is this just a random biased comment

[Emvee 8,781]

Lame as ****. As if commercial success is any indication of music quality. I didn’t think she could get even more cringey, but I was wrong lol 

[TWICE on hatius 4,746]

14 minutes ago, Fish said:

commercial success is not the measure by which grammies are awarded. /end thread 

I always wonder which merit they actually award artists for. If talking about critical acclaim then why Lemonade lost to 25.  If talking about cultural impact, then why the fame monster lost. If talking about sale then why Red didn’t win. Grammys is based off politics mostly. At Nicki peak, rap was never favored compared with now.

[EsDoQ 15]

8 minutes ago, Sneaky said:

Lol, do you even actually know who Bon Iver is or is this just a random biased comment

do YOU know? 

 at people (and Nicki herself) not knowing that Bon Iver is not a single artist, but it's a group of Dessner, Vernon & others

[Guillaume Hamon 6,913]

Grammy's are SUPPOSED to be about "artistic excellence" and Bon Iver always look for it while Pink friday was more about making hits and did suceed at it.

Now when you see some commercial albums winning I Can get why Nicky wished it for herself but I'm glad they actually gave some light and praise to the album looking for artistry rather than to the big star for once...

[Fish 6,252]

3 minutes ago, TWICE said:

I always wonder which merit they actually award artists for. If talking about critical acclaim then why Lemonade lost to 25.  If talking about cultural impact, then why the fame monster lost. If talking about sale then why Red didn’t win. Grammys is based off politics mostly. At Nicki peak, rap was never favored compared with now.

maybe its a bit of all those factors?

 

and if it wasnt favorable for nicki back then, it is certainly more now for rap artists, so she should release and get those grammies! 

 

but maybe its because.... her music is usually not quality? oops- 

 

 

[LilyLark 10,213]

28 minutes ago, Fish said:

uh? Bon Iver is still an acclaimed and successful artist. 

is best new artist only based on billboard hot 100 performance? 

I feel like people forget Nicki was a somewhat critically acclaimed rapper back in the day. She didn't get the acclaim of say...a Kendrick Lamar...but her first two albums had strong reviews & everyone was calling her the new Missy after her verse on Monster. Nowadays everyone recalls **** with Tekashi. So yeah, it was absolutely bizarre (and very likely tinged with racism) that they snubbed an artist with massive commercial success who also had critical acclaim at the time.

[TWICE on hatius 4,746]

Just now, Fish said:

maybe its a bit of all those factors?

Then why After Hours was even not nominated this year . It’s weird you know. I mean I understand why Nicki didn’t win but Grammys is not that consistent.

[EsDoQ 15]

32 minutes ago, Fish said:

uh? Bon Iver is still an acclaimed and successful artist. 

is best new artist only based on billboard hot 100 performance? 

it's a group, not an artist 

[LilyLark 10,213]

1 minute ago, Guillaume Hamon said:

Grammy's are SUPPOSED to be about "artistic excellence" and Bon Iver always looks for it while Pink friday was more about making hits and did suceed at it.

Now when you see some commercial albums winning I Can get why Nicky wished it for herself but I'm glad they actually gave some light and praise to the one looking for artistry rather than to the big star for once...

Eh, but then there's the point that Kendrick has been snubbed multiple times and he is critically acclaimed (far more than even early Nick) & commercially successful.

Honestly, Grammys are just a hot mess. Fiona had the most critically acclaimed album of the year and no AOTY nod or ROTY/SOTY nod.

[Fish 6,252]

Just now, LilyLark said:

I feel like people forget Nicki was a somewhat critically acclaimed rapper back in the day. She didn't get the acclaim of say...a Kendrick Lamar...but her first two albums had strong reviews & everyone was calling her the new Missy after her verse on Monster. Nowadays everyone recalls **** with Tekashi. So yeah, it was absolutely bizarre (and very likely tinged with racism) that they snubbed an artist with massive commercial success who also had critical acclaim at the time.

the way racism is thrown around like its seasoning on my salad.

 

ill blame it on the internet and this day and age 

[Fish 6,252]

Just now, EsDoQ said:

it's a group, not an artist 

whatever dude 

[LilyLark 10,213]

1 minute ago, Fish said:

the way racism is thrown around like its seasoning on my salad.

 

ill blame it on the internet and this day and age 

Sis the problem is it is a pattern...It's not just Nicki. You have Kendrick, Bey never winning AOTY despite massive critical and commercial success, The Weeknd, FKA Twigs, etc. all routinely getting snubbed.

[EsDoQ 15]

Just now, Fish said:

whatever dude 

not "whatever"

if you want to speak about whether some are successful or not, you should know the basics of basics

other way you end up looking like a fool

[imnotyourbabe10 6,120]

Totally understand the systemic racism and patterns of racism in award shows. I’m just curious if Bon Iver is problematic or something?