Rioting In France (5th Day)

[GipJo 2,912]

Nothing scares me more than teenagers nowadays, who think they have politic power and don't think about consequences when using them. I read the news that the biggest library in Marseilles were destroyed, what the purpose of that?

In this case, the live of the dead kid didn't actually matter to them, they are unleashing anger because of Macron's retirement plans, high inflation and such.

[Guillaume Hamon 7,018]

21 minutes ago, monstrosity said:

Y’all need to understand what a RIOT means ffs, people are FIGHTING for their life here, they tried everything else it doesn’t work

Keep crying about a destroyed H&M’s or McDonald's I guess

 

It's not only big firms stores tho! Far from it.

It's also a school, many cars belonging to broke people living in these blocks, a youth and cultural activities house, some of the buses used in their blocks, local small stores owned by folks from these blocks and even housing buildings where broke or regular folks live...

I don't disagree with riots but they're often shooting in their own foots with the targets chosen here.

You don't either praise all type of riots or condemn it all, you can simply wish it was not adding to the difficulties of the victims sometimes.

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1 hour ago, Roughhouse Dandy said:

Violent protest is valid against violent systematic injustice and always has been. It's been the way civilization has taken important progressive steps every step of the way so far and I believe the reason we've stalled out in that field is because much of the world has been indoctrinated into believing the opposite of that fact due to the bastardization and skewed teachings of MLK Jr.'s words. If you'll remember, he recognized riots as the voice of the unheard, almost swapped ideologies with Malcolm X by the end, and ✨️still✨️ got murdered while labeled violent + the most hated man in the country.

I'm a staunch pacifist, cry for the innocents being harmed, and hate that it came to this; but human beings don't lash out like this en mass unless they're trapped in an environment that has pushed them to it. So I'm sorry you feel the way you do, but your feelings aren't the reality of the situation. 

Just because you use big words doesn’t mean you’re right. /caseclosed 

[dit 46,738]

I am happy they are protesting because there is a lot of unaddressed racism in France BUT obviously vandalizing random property and stealing is horrible but its a horrible consequence that happens almost in EVERY single protest that catches on with the public because randos take this opportunity to be corrupt and steal and do these things. That said the messaging is still good and the protesting is still good and NEEDED beyond that. 

[Mr Ricky 9,089]

U can make a point destroying political houses or whatsoever. 

But this proves, people do it to just steal and vandalize. They are enjoying it, it's not because of anger. 

As if a dead teen's cheering for you on stealing those nikies. Well done! 

Humans are a joke at this point. 

[27monster27 15,917]

The replies in this thread, the Starbucks thread, and the Kim Petras threads have all been dangerous cases of how far-right ideologies are becoming socially acceptable again on this site. I really thought we were passed this after 2022, but I guess not.

[PartySick 172,975]

6 hours ago, 27monster27 said:

Rioting and destroying innocent buildings is wrong, but some of the replies in this thread are giving alt-right only focusing on the damage and not the root of the problem.

This tbh.

Lots of people are quick to have outrage towards outrage but they're slow to be outraged towards the outrageous.

...that made sense, right?

Y'all want unrest like this to stop happening then police brutality needs to be addressed. That was the spark that lit this whole thing.

[PartySick 172,975]

5 hours ago, Roughhouse Dandy said:

Violent protest is valid against violent systematic injustice and always has been. It's been the way civilization has taken important progressive steps every step of the way so far and I believe the reason we've stalled out in that field is because much of the world has been indoctrinated into believing the opposite of that fact due to the bastardization and skewed teachings of MLK Jr.'s words. If you'll remember, he recognized riots as the voice of the unheard, almost swapped ideologies with Malcolm X by the end, and ✨️still✨️ got murdered while labeled violent + the most hated man in the country.

I'm a staunch pacifist, cry for the innocents being harmed, and hate that it came to this; but human beings don't lash out like this en mass unless they're trapped in an environment that has pushed them to it. So I'm sorry you feel the way you do, but your feelings aren't the reality of the situation. 

Very this. I just wish they were more organized and pointed their violence towards the institutions that cause problems. The rich, police, politicians. Like, don't go killing people but THAT'S how you'll make your statement.

[Roughhouse Dandy 13,701]

4 hours ago, Munchlax said:

Just because you use big words doesn’t mean you’re right. /caseclosed 

Except none of the words I used are particularly big 😬 embarrassing for you

[Roughhouse Dandy 13,701]

4 hours ago, Economy said:

Valid according to who?

 

Besides, the argument often gets thrown around as if violence is the only way to progress on issues meanwhile the violent times seem to coincide when change is already occuring in many cases simply because ppl are frustrated it's not progressing as fast as they'd like but it doesn't prove the violence is what made the progress

 

In some extreme situations like dictatorships or whatnot maybe there's nothing else u can possibly do, but in a society like France, I find it hard to believe burning innocent peoples property is somehow the "valid" or the only way to push for change.

 

Besides, we live in a world of social media where stuff like this is often gonna go viral... And in a society of 8 billion ppl no matter how much progress is made there's always going to be isolated cases like this even if we reduce them significantly 

 

Resorting to this everytime is not a sustainable long term solution and I fear it's increasingly brushed off as the norm and acceptable valid way to voice ur frustrations. Ur gonna end up hurting more ppl in the process than the people your supposibly claiming to help 

 

Again, id like to see u still support this if it was ur car destroyed. I seriously doubt ud still defend it so easily after that

 

 

Valid according to history lol 

Some of my property has been destroyed during a violent protest and I supported the protest anyway because I mean what tf I say. Cute assumption though 💖

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26 minutes ago, PartySick said:

Lots of people are quick to have outrage towards outrage but they're slow to be outraged towards the outrageous.

...that made sense, right?

[Zander 14,944]

Plenty of these people are simply opportunists and not actually concerned with the issue at hand.

[Roughhouse Dandy 13,701]

Y'all know those stupid situations that happened in grade school where someone was getting bullied, they finally found the courage to fight back, and then the notoriously awful teacher gave the one who fought back detention instead of the bullies who instigated? 

A lot of y'all are giving off big vibes of that teacher and do in most threads. So have fun with that. Hope its fulfilling

[monstertoronto 11,774]

6 hours ago, HeavyCapiLover said:

It’s much safer that some other cities such as Lyon Marseille or Strasbourg where things got real bad. Most of the riots in Paris are actually happening in the suburbs, but you’ll be fine in the main city. Also the whole situation seems to get better this week-end, I don’t think that you should cancel the trip, just stay aware of the events.

Thank you.  I’ll keep an eye on everything happening.  Hope you’re safe if you’re there. 

[Helxig 45,427]

15 hours ago, Guillaume Hamon said:

The sad thing is to see this energy here directed at small grocery stores or schools in the poor blocks since we also saw some of these burned...

Same with infrastructures used for public services, especially in poor blocks, burning it ain't bringing more social justice, rather the opposite actually since it's the poors, often POC dealing with consequences, again.

I agree that you need to shake things up to get results with these crooks but if they want to burn stuffs I wish it would be the current government party's offices instead...

11 hours ago, Munchlax said:

 

You two (and whoever agrees with these sentiments) are adding to the problem rather than the solution. Two wrongs don’t make a right. 

12 hours ago, Economy said:

I wonder if ud still say the same if it was ur car u found on fire

 

Target government buildings connected to law enforcement on police stations if u feel u have to take up the heat. Why direct it to innocent ppl?

Of course I didn't mean burning down small family owned businesses and working class citizens' houses and cars   I just worded that poorly. 

By 'energy' I meant their passion for righteousness and justice and fixing a broken system. To make their voices heard and show corrupt leaders that they want change and they want it now