U.S. surpasses 4M COVID cases

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6 minutes ago, MISTER GEEMATICA said:

I think that’s what health experts said would most likely happen when the outbreak first occurred. My sister is a nurse and she said in NJ that’s what the health officials were reporting throughout hospitals, that the virus mutated into something less deadly.

Really? This seems to disagree

 

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/is-the-new-coronavirus-getting-weaker-what-to-know#No-evidence-the-virus-is-mutating

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The best measure for deaths is excess deaths.

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6 minutes ago, Economy said:

Really? This seems to disagree

 

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/is-the-new-coronavirus-getting-weaker-what-to-know#No-evidence-the-virus-is-mutating

This article is dated June 14th. It’s July 3rd. Not saying things can change rapidly all the time, but it’s possible there might be new findings later this month.

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2 minutes ago, MISTER GEEMATICA said:

This article is dated June 14th. It’s July 3rd. Not saying things can change rapidly all the time, but it’s possible there might be new findings later this month.

True

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23 hours ago, Florin said:

They lag, but not by more than 2 weeks.

When cases are at the highest ever and yet the deaths are going down, it should tell us something. It should tell us that maybe we should look at how many people are in ICU or something similar, but probably it is harder to find that information. 

They can easily lag by more than two weeks. The average age for positive cases in Texas is 35. That means the virus is greatly infecting those that are younger. They have a much higher rate of survival. However, these younger people don’t live in caves. They live or come in contact with older family members. They come in contact with older people at work, or out in the community. It will take a while for us to see the results of this community spread.

The death count is going down because of this and most importantly, the fact that New York is no longer reporting such high numbers due to their steep curve decline.

States like Texas and Arizona are at capacity for ICU beds. ER admissions and ICUs are setting records all across the South and Sunbelt. We do have some treatment options now, but the majority of those resources are limited, so we are at a dangerous place with ICUs overflowing.

You also need to consider that people that are in the ICU are in there for weeks and if they survive, it takes months to recover, and many will end up with permanent disabilities. 

The “lower death rate” does not mean we are doing good or out of significant danger! The South and the Sunbelt are experiencing their first wave. 

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10 minutes ago, Whispering said:

They can easily lag by more than two weeks. The average age for positive cases in Texas is 35. That means the virus is greatly infecting those that are younger. They have a much higher rate of survival. However, these younger people don’t live in caves. They live or come in contact with older family members. They come in contact with older people at work, or out in the community. It will take a while for us to see the results of this community spread.

The death count is going down because of this and most importantly, the fact that New York is no longer reporting such high numbers due to their steep curve decline.

States like Texas and Arizona are at capacity for ICU beds. ER admissions and ICUs are setting records all across the South and Sunbelt. We do have some treatment options now, but the majority of those resources are limited, so we are at a dangerous place with ICUs overflowing.

You also need to consider that people that are in the ICU are in there for weeks and if they survive, it takes months to recover, and many will end up with permanent disabilities. 

The “lower death rate” does not mean we are doing good or out of significant danger! The South and the Sunbelt are experiencing their first wave. 

They cant "easily" lag by more than 2 weeks. Average days of hospitalizations is something like 8 days, but if you have better information you can share it.

Some of your assumptions were made also by other members.

Hospitalizations numbers can be misleading, because everyone is tested, even if they are there for something else. ICUs numbers are the ones to watch. Cant really find them so easy, but hopefully the officials understand how important they are. 

If you consider this the "first wave" in the South, it seems that they are better at protecting the elderly from this.

 

 

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3 hours ago, Florin said:

They cant "easily" lag by more than 2 weeks. Average days of hospitalizations is something like 8 days, but if you have better information you can share it.

Some of your assumptions were made also by other members.

Hospitalizations numbers can be misleading, because everyone is tested, even if they are there for something else. ICUs numbers are the ones to watch. Cant really find them so easy, but hopefully the officials understand how important they are. 

If you consider this the "first wave" in the South, it seems that they are better at protecting the elderly from this.

 

 

Yes, they can. It takes a while for transmission to go from younger people to others, then it takes a while to get to the point of needing hospitalization. Then, the medical resources can keep an ICU patient alive for weeks. 

Surviving the ICU is one thing, living with the after-effects, is another. We already know that only 1/3 of patients go back to normal cognitive/physical function after a short term stays on vents. With COVID there is even more sedation being used and people are staying sedated longer. The lifetime toll COVID-19 has taken on some survivors is enormous- lung damage, heart damage, kidney damage, even brain damage. Also, the average estimated in-network amount per privately insured covid patient is $38,221.

I just told you that ICUs are at record high numbers in Texas and Arizona. There is nothing misleading about that. They are being reported on daily and you can see the reports on CNN or any nightly news station.

We will see. The elderly are still out shopping, going to social gatherings, working and going to church, etc. It takes a while for it to spread from the young to older relatives and community members. We do have treatment options, but everything starts becoming more dangerous as the ICUs fill up like they are currently doing.

 

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16 hours ago, Whispering said:

Yes, they can. It takes a while for transmission to go from younger people to others, then it takes a while to get to the point of needing hospitalization. Then, the medical resources can keep an ICU patient alive for weeks. 

Surviving the ICU is one thing, living with the after-effects, is another. We already know that only 1/3 of patients go back to normal cognitive/physical function after a short term stays on vents. With COVID there is even more sedation being used and people are staying sedated longer. The lifetime toll COVID-19 has taken on some survivors is enormous- lung damage, heart damage, kidney damage, even brain damage. Also, the average estimated in-network amount per privately insured covid patient is $38,221.

I just told you that ICUs are at record high numbers in Texas and Arizona. There is nothing misleading about that. They are being reported on daily and you can see the reports on CNN or any nightly news station.

We will see. The elderly are still out shopping, going to social gatherings, working and going to church, etc. It takes a while for it to spread from the young to older relatives and community members. We do have treatment options, but everything starts becoming more dangerous as the ICUs fill up like they are currently doing.

 

The point Ive tried to make it is that it isnt "easy" as you said. It is possible, but definitely not easy for deaths to lag for more than 2 weeks. Most people either get well or die. Not to mention that the cases have started to rise something like 3 weeks ago, so we dont even talk about a 2 weeks lag anymore. So something has changed and people have mentioned already some of the changes. Dont know why you ignore them. 

ICu beds are very important. Arizona and Texas still have capacity for new cases. In Texas there are more patients in ICU that dont have covid, so everything should be taken into consideration. It's the job of the authorities to make sure that there are ICU beds and until now they manage it. It will be embarrassing if after 6 months and so many restrictions, they wont be ready to solve a spike in cases.

 

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On 7/2/2020 at 8:18 AM, KanyeWest said:

I DONT HAVE TO WEAR A MASK ITS MY FREEDOM ITS AGAINST MY FREEDOM ! ! !

WE NEED TO PROTEST AGAINST CONFINEMENT ITS AGAINST OUR FREEDOM ! ! ! 

CORONAVIRUS IS A CONSPIRACY AGAINST OUR FREEDOM ! !  ! ITS NOT REAL STAY WOKE! ! ! ! 

IF YOU WEAR A MASK YOU ARE A DEMOCRAT AND A WEAK LIBERAL  ! !  ! !

I WILL COUGH ON YOU IF I WANT TO BECAUSE I DONT WANT TO WEAR A MASK ! ! ! GOD BELSS AMERICA

TRUMP FOR 2020 ! ! !  !

Did u see the MAGA older lady giving that speech on the "Karen" videos?

 

"I am an American! I am not a thief! I am not a terrorist! I do not want to wear a mask!" 

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48 minutes ago, Economy said:

Did u see the MAGA older lady giving that speech on the "Karen" videos?

 

"I am an American! I am not a thief! I am not a terrorist! I do not want to wear a mask!" 

omg yes hilarious 

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On 7/4/2020 at 4:59 AM, Florin said:

The point Ive tried to make it is that it isnt "easy" as you said. It is possible, but definitely not easy for deaths to lag for more than 2 weeks. Most people either get well or die. Not to mention that the cases have started to rise something like 3 weeks ago, so we dont even talk about a 2 weeks lag anymore. So something has changed and people have mentioned already some of the changes. Dont know why you ignore them. 

ICu beds are very important. Arizona and Texas still have capacity for new cases. In Texas there are more patients in ICU that dont have covid, so everything should be taken into consideration. It's the job of the authorities to make sure that there are ICU beds and until now they manage it. It will be embarrassing if after 6 months and so many restrictions, they wont be ready to solve a spike in cases.

 

From the Texas Tribune:

“Texas hospitals are running out of drugs, beds, ventilators and staff.”

“Ambulances are waiting up to ten hours tp deliver patients to packed...emergency rooms.”

“As Texas Morgues fill up, refrigerator trucks are on their way in several counties” (including the county that has Houston) 

“In Corpus Christi, the morgue is already full.”

Texas hospitals are at a record high of 10,569 Covid patients hospitalized as of today.

Short staffed hospitals have had to turn away ailing Covid patients from rural facilities because the don’t have the rooms or staff to take care of them. Coronavirus patients are being flown to hospitals 120 miles away, because closer facilities have no rooms. 

 

From the South Florida paper:

”Florida sets single day record for Corona Virus deaths with 132.”

ICUs are rapidly filling in Florida hospitals, to the point that in some places they are treating Critical patients in the hallways. 

 

From Mercury News:

“California hit all-time highs in the number of patients hospitalized or in intensive care unit beds with COVID-19”

California reports record 11,361 new cases of coronavirus and 141 new deaths. Los Angeles County reports record 4,244 new cases of coronavirus and 73 new deaths, hospitalizations rise to 2,103.

 

From the Arizona Health Dept:

“A record 3,3517 COVID-19 patients were hospitalized as of July 13, with record numbers in use of ICU beds and ventilators.

Arizona’s death toll from COVID-19 rose to 2,337 with 92 additional deaths reported on July 14.”

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I am scared and my job is making me go back out into the world again and I think I am going to get coronavirus and die (in fact I was already deathly ill several weeks ago but I never got tested)

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4 hours ago, LadyGoo said:

I am scared and my job is making me go back out into the world again and I think I am going to get coronavirus and die (in fact I was already deathly ill several weeks ago but I never got tested)

Pls go test for god sake

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I am not suprised to bo honest. Organizing public protests and riots during the pandemic wasnt very smart 
 

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5 hours ago, Whispering said:

 

What are your points? That 2 weeks later the headlines are the same?

And they are similar to headlines from 2018?