rojo 560 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 11 minutes ago, Faysalaaa said: Dont let politicians use fear to get your vote, use that fear against them and force them to earn your vote. Dont let them use someone like Trump as a weapon against you, you should use Trump as a weapon against them. Change the narrative from blaming voters for Trumps win, to blaming the Democratic party for Trumps win because they refuse to represent their own voters. Tell them if you want to win next time, you must earn our vote. Tell them you are not scared of Trump if the other choice is someone like Biden. Yes Trump might win now, but long term thinking, progressives will have power and change the Democratic party forever. But if you continue to vote for the better of two evils, the Democratic party might take 2-3 decades to change. You will have to wait for all the old people to die then you can possibly win. The whole purpose of a Democracy is to give voters the power to control the system. But today it seems like Democracy is being used against the voters and people are going along with it! Democracy only works when people are educated politically and understand the power they have. 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾Nicely put. The vote is the only power we have and we should treasure it and use it as we please not because of fear of Trump. If we keep compromising for the lesser of 2 evils the country keeps moving and moving to the right and that's how you end up with trump. Time to stand firm for what you believe in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy 106 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 5 minutes ago, President Biden said: not true ik a lot of Republicans who backed Trump last time but are totally DONE with him. Obama-Trump voters are gonna back Biden Again all anecdotal about 2016 Trump voters being done with him. I would expect Obama-Trump people to have low turnout. #MalibuGaga Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAMROD 117,346 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 5 minutes ago, Azor Ahai said: Trump is also "pro-gay" and has many gay followers, despite the fact his policies are ****. He even chooses a closet case to be his VP https://www.patheos.com/blogs/laughingindisbelief/2018/02/mike-pence-wins-gaydar-magazines-lifetime-in-the-closet-award/ tru gay ikon (ﾉ◕ヮ◕)ﾉ✧*:･ﾟ ᶠʳᵒⁿᵗ ᵗᵒʷᵃʳᵈ ᵉⁿᵉᵐʸ (*´艸｀*) ♡♡♡ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 11 minutes ago, rojo said: 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾Nicely put. The vote is the only power we have and we should treasure it and use it as we please not because of fear of Trump. If we keep compromising for the lesser of 2 evils the country keeps moving and moving to the right and that's how you end up with trump. Time to stand firm for what you believe in. The so called "lesser of two evils" works for the same groups Trump works for. They all serve the interest of Corporations, Wall Street, Banks, The Feds, Military Industrial Complex, and Big Pharma. What these groups want will happen regardless of what party is nominated. The two party system is a propaganda machine that serves one corporate system. Which is why you should go against the system itself instead of playing into the system and its game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JusKeepBreathin 19,311 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 47 minutes ago, DrVictor said: yeah, I guess Joe Biden is a more trustworthy rapist than Trump Who's second account is this with the 4 likes? 39 minutes ago, ALGAYDO said: -> insults a group of people -> asks said group of people for their vote Bernie Bro tease. Snake, rats and all the other insults. Meh... "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." -Martin Luther King Jr. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeleteMyAccount 11,881 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 57 minutes ago, Brainiac said: Telling progressives to support someone because a bunch of republicans support him isn’t exactly a strong argument. Just saying. Well thousands of Obama voters helped flip numerous States in 2016 in favor of Trump. So yea, it's pretty relevant that Republicans are on board with Biden if it means a better chance of him winning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chlorine 47,976 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 38 minutes ago, rojo said: 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾Nicely put. The vote is the only power we have and we should treasure it and use it as we please not because of fear of Trump. If we keep compromising for the lesser of 2 evils the country keeps moving and moving to the right and that's how you end up with trump. Time to stand firm for what you believe in. News flash: Hillary Clinton won the popular vote by 2.9 million and DIDN'T WIN the election. Do you understand how this country works? You cannot win **** if the majority of bumble**** America is not on board with the candidate. The electoral college gives disproportionate weight to the votes of rural areas and smaller states. So, continue to live in the bubble that every vote matters and to "stick it to the man" by falling on the sword of your progressivism and idealism. Trump is already in office. The house is burning. And you want to throw ice cubes on the fire? WAKE UP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MingersPrayer 585 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 1 hour ago, President Biden said: Biden is pro gay rights, supports the minimum wage/union/public healthcare/Social Security, is very supportive of gun control and will repeal Trump’s “tax bill”. Those ain't Conservative views hun I didn’t say conservative I said right wing I hope he wins, but it doesn’t surprise me that Republicans like him 🤷🏻♂️ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevana229 1,916 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 I would literally vote for ANYONE over Trump... Republican OR democrat. ANYONE! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevana229 1,916 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 4 minutes ago, MingersPrayer said: I didn’t say conservative I said right wing I hope he wins, but it doesn’t surprise me that Republicans like him 🤷🏻♂️ Republicans like him because Biden can negotiate with them to bring the two parties together. Biden has worked across the isle in the Senate dozens of times to get votes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rojo 560 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 25 minutes ago, PussPuss said: News flash: Hillary Clinton won the popular vote by 2.9 million and DIDN'T WIN the election. Do you understand how this country works? You cannot win **** if the majority of bumble**** America is not on board with the candidate. The electoral college gives disproportionate weight to the votes of rural areas and smaller states. So, continue to live in the bubble that every vote matters and to "stick it to the man" by falling on the sword of your progressivism and idealism. Trump is already in office. The house is burning. And you want to throw ice cubes on the fire? WAKE UP. Talking about throwing ice cubes over fire while nominating Biden to defeat Trump. Good luck to you too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphine Prince 109,729 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 Well, that does it. Voting for Trump. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc 4,776 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 Stop saying that the Democratic party has to learn so they nominate a progressive in 2024 as an excuse from your duty to protect the world against Trump. The only reason Bernie was polling reasonably well against Trump was because Trump is even more extreme. In 2024 a 'normal' Republican will be on the ballot, and things will actually get competitive. A progrrssive Democrat will have little chances against a center-right Republican. The only approach that will work in the US system, where you'll always need centrist democrats to pass bills in the Senate, is through gradual change. In rhetorics and in policies. The progressive wing of the Democratic party should continue to bring the party to the left, but at the same time realize that the eventual nominee and 'swing' senators for passing a bill will be centrist. So: influence what it means to be centrist. You do that by implementing center-left policies, thus gradually shifting the status quo, and by warming people up and making larger groups identify with ideals you have, which is also a gradual process that requires some kind of support from establishment-type democrats. That's what ObamaCare did, and it's become so popular it's basically irreversible. The next step is some similar form of Biden-care, then a public option, and eventually full coverage. If you keep arguing that Biden needs to earn your vote, while asking Biden to basically be Bernie, you're only making it more attractive for Biden to appeal to the centre-right instead, because he can be certain those folks will actually show up, and because those people don't live in >80% blue urban centers along the coast. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevana229 1,916 Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Morphine Prince said: Well, that does it. Voting for Trump. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid AT 78 Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 Only on online platforms and social media can cross-party appeal be taken negatively. The reality is so different. In fact, a Republican supporting a Democrat is better than a Democrat supporting their own because it's essentially a double vote. It takes a vote from Trump and adds it to Biden. That's how you expand the electorate. The anti-Trump sentiment is huge among people and if it continues to grow like this, it will help Biden immensely in November. Also, not some Bernie supporters using this to make fun of Biden while they would probably use the same argument to bolster Bernie's credentials. The hypocrisy. Republican supports Bernie = “King!!! His policies are so good that even Republicans support him! Go Bernie!” Republican supports Biden = “Meh, wbk, he's a moderate Republican. Republicans supporting him is a red flag” You can't have it both ways. Pick a side. "I was protected by the monks of Azarath, I was raised by my friends. They are my family, this is my home and you are not welcome here." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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