#Mayochella is trending (TS copying Bey thing)

[theahsfan 13,595]

Hypocrites omg

[Serial Chiller 8,044]

9 hours ago, gagzus said:

I don’t like either of them but some of y’all in this thread still don’t understand what racism is and trust me this ain’t it 💀

Taylor may not have copied Beyonce but Beyonce definitely has the performative energy down and Taylor is well... a white girl tryna dance and perform is all i’ll say... 💀

but that was the argument they tryna make no? that swift copies beyonce? 

[gagzus 13,646]

52 minutes ago, Serial Chiller said:

but that was the argument they tryna make no? that swift copies beyonce? 

That’s the argument, but I don’t think she did. I don’t care for either Bey or Tay but if people are tryna make comparisons then Beyoncé’s is the better version. Mainly because Taylor is not a performer

[Ziggy 10,363]

10 hours ago, SimonSays said:

We could say the same about Lady Gaga considering how her dancing skills aren't as good as they used to be  and they weren't groundbreaking in the past. 

I think it’s a bit different for Gaga as she isn’t moving around awkwardly hitting moves. She’s not a clean dancer, but she can dance. She isn’t clean because she’s putting a bit of an improved spin on the moves. Contrast that with katy Perry and TSwift and they’re kiiiiind of like white folk on a wedding dance floor. You don’t cringe watching Gaga dance because they may not be the “moves” but she is still expressing something through her movements which is the point of dance. I wouldn’t say the same for a lot of the other white girls doing these tiny little Kidz Bop step dance routines. It just feels like the obligatory “comes with the job” kind of thing so the inauthenticity is POTENT compared to Gaga, Madonna, Beyoncé, or other artists where dance is actually important to their performance. It’s about stage presence more than anything which, not so coincidentally, the people that others lambast for bad dancing often don’t have or not a to a large degree.

[Ziggy 10,363]

5 hours ago, IHE said:

I can't speak for places outside the US, but here we literally have a racist president and people of color are not represented, are murdered by our police, and do not have equality, therefore their prejudice is a direct result of the racism against them. This is basic 101 stuff. They can call white people mayo and cracker all damn day but at night when they go to sleep, white people still "run the world".

White people are racist even though they are in power. 

Poc are prejudice towards us primarily because of the oppression we put upon them everyday. 

This, is, basic, truth in the US.

If you think pop culture and politics arent intertwined you might be delulu. 

I don't agree with the behaviour of the beyhive but I 100% understand it for what it is, a symptom of an ill and divided nation. 

And also, like, who cares? Hahahaha if that’s the worst thing you’ve heard as a white person then you’ve got it pretty good imo and that’s a shining example of privilege. Whereas we have an apparatus in place that is designed to run counter to non-white people. The. D e l u s i o n.

[Guillaume Hamon 5,563]

14 hours ago, SimplyTheBest said:

Beyoncé ain't responsible for them ...

True! If we start blaming the artist for the fanbase then all big artist have blood on their hands lol.

[Bonkiii 385]

tbh Beyonce's team is always copying east European artists

[Guillaume Hamon 5,563]

15 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said:

Sociology has fallen to the demands of those who want to make racism more exclusive and are including it in their definitions now (thank God I took sociology before all this nonsense started) but the good old dictionary is holding firm on the more general definition, which is how it should be.

It's exactly that...

The word has a meaning and some folks decide to give it a new meaning expecting everybody to follow but that's not how it works so they'll keep being bothered with how the word is used by most. There are precise terms for what they want to define, the masses will respond to these ones.

14 hours ago, IHE said:

They see her as just another white girl stealing an entrance. I get it.

Their idol is a girl "stealing" stuff from every race so they should be okay with the idea borrowing imo lol.

[Guillaume Hamon 5,563]

14 hours ago, IHE said:

Racism exists in a feed back loop created by the use of power and oppression by one group who has the upper hand and continues to vote and act in a way that keeps themselves in power by keeping another group down often unfairly murdered by people part of that power loop. I'd be prejudice to if my bullies ran everything and they had since the country came into existence.

I'm always surprised when white people don't get it. 

The original definition of the word is about believing in a superiority between races so it's not that they "don't get it" it's that they know what you described as a part of racism, not racism overall. It doesn't mean they're thinking it's similar or close to a POC person's experience of racism, just that they used the words with their meaning instead of the meaning some people want to give it.

[StrawberryBlond 13,287]

On 5/2/2019 at 7:05 PM, IHE said:

Some of you don't understand that reverse racism is a construct created by the kkk , and it shows.

Most of us don't think of it as "reverse" racism, just racism. Surely the most woke thing to do is to realise that anyone can have hate dispensed onto them and it's unacceptable? Who are you to decide what white people have and haven't gone through and if what they've experienced is real or not? Denying someone's experience is not very woke. To write off someone's experience as a construct invented by the KKK is just as bad as saying any accounts of black racism is a construct invented by the Black Panthers. If you can't say one, you shouldn't be saying the other.

On 5/2/2019 at 7:12 PM, IHE said:

Also, Bey didn't invent marching bands, but let's be real,  it's recent  use by Bey had some real iconic pop culture impact in a way that will go down in pop culture history. It is cemented as something significant, powerful, and important to her fans during a time when oppression is at an all time high. That's why the Beyhive is pissed. They see her as just another white girl stealing an entrance. I get it.

Can you please inform me as to when Beyonce used marching bands other than Coachella? Because I literally can't thin of any others outside of her SB appearances which doesn't count because almost every singer, before and after Beyonce, uses a marching band. It's a common feature of football games for entrances and halftimes, which is why it's sometimes incorporated into a halftime performance. When she does a marching band entrance, it's a reference to the opening of football game entrances, it's nothing she invented or  made popular. Until these copying accusations came out, I couldn't even fathom when Beyonce used a marching band, I've had to research this. If someone who follows Beyonce, as I do, can't recall it, maybe her use of marching bands is not as prevalent, memorable and iconic as you think it is. Taylor didn't "steal" this entrance. Being introduced by a marching band is one of the most popular ways to make an OTT entrance. Pop singers have been doing it for years, long before Beyonce. If your pop song has a drum beat in it, it's practically expected of you to exaggerate it by turning it into a marching band when you perform it live at an awards show. Hell, in the middle ages, royalty was introduced to the public with a band of trumpeters. It's that old, it's that classic. Is it any wonder Beyonce fans get so much hate when they make delusional statements about making marching bands popular when you consider the history of this throughout our culture?

On 5/2/2019 at 7:20 PM, IHE said:

Just gonna quote myself.

They are being prejudice not racist.

Racism exists in a feed back loop created by the use of power and oppression by one group who has the upper hand and continues to vote and act in a way that keeps themselves in power by keeping another group down often unfairly murdered by people part of that power loop. I'd be prejudice to if my bullies ran everything and they had since the country came into existence.

I'm always surprised when white people don't get it. 

"Prejudice" is an umbrella term and racism is a form of prejudice. And of course, the term "racial prejudice" exists. It all comes down to what word you want to use. I don't know how many times this has to be repeated. More people really need to start knowing what words mean before trying to school everyone.

If your bullies ran everything, you would be annoyed at those people in particular, not the innocent ones who can't help being employed by them or the ones who aren't even involved with them. Validating racist beliefs is never ok. You can understand where the anger comes from if you've had bad experiences with more than a few people from a certain group but you've got to be mature and realise that you should focus your outrage at the specific wrong-doers not everyone who looks like them. "One person did something mean to me and now I hate everyone who looks like them" is a child's mentality. And if it's not an acceptable way for white people to regard POC, why should it ever be accepted in reverse? Being oppressed doesn't give you the right to be a nasty person.

23 hours ago, IHE said:

I can't speak for places outside the US, but here we literally have a racist president and people of color are not represented, are murdered by our police, and do not have equality, therefore their prejudice is a direct result of the racism against them. This is basic 101 stuff. They can call white people mayo and cracker all damn day but at night when they go to sleep, white people still "run the world".

White people are racist even though they are in power. 

Poc are prejudice towards us primarily because of the oppression we put upon them everyday. 

This, is, basic, truth in the US.

If you think pop culture and politics arent intertwined you might be delulu. 

I don't agree with the behaviour of the beyhive but I 100% understand it for what it is, a symptom of an ill and divided nation. 

Unfortunately, there have been incidents of racist abuse and treatment towards whites in the US but it sounds as if you'd have to interest in researching these matters. But if you're interested in reading up on actual racial oppression towards whites outside America, just research what's happening in South Africa right now. Whites can no longer be employed if a business is at 12% white, they are offered no welfare by the government no matter how bad their situation is, their farms are being seized by the government, there are white squatter camps sprouting because no one will take them in, white children are being refused school places, whites are refused hospital treatment, white farmers and their families are being brutally murdered every day at a shocking rate. If that's not racism, I don't know what is, and liberal outlets repeatedly shun from reporting on this reality and when questioned, brush it off like it's nothing. When incidents come up that don't fit their agenda, they bail.

But anyway, yeah, I don't want Trump to be president any more than you do, but you're acting as if he'll be president forever. Things will change, new people get elected, things ebb and flow. I notice, by the way, that the reasoning of "we can't be a racist country, we have a black president" didn't wash when Obama was in power, yet here you are using the same logic when saying "of course we're a racist country, we have a racist president" and your reasoning gets support! Here I was thinking the president didn't define an entire country's people, like liberals were claiming before and then they use the same logic when it suits them! And POC aren't represented in America? They have talk shows with complete POC line-ups, entire music channels dedicated to black artists, specialised channels for Spanish speakers, black Americans compose a lot of America's most famous celebrities. A truly racist country would not accept such things or make them popular. Whites actually get killed more often by police in America. I know there's more of them but it's about their crime they're doing to warrant the shooting, not how many there are. In the westernised first world, there is no right POC are legally denied over whites, so I think you're exaggerating when you say they don't have equality. Not in the minds of everyone, sure, but legally speaking, no, they've got the same rights as everyone else.

To say white people run the world is a bit much. The 1% run the world. The rest of us are just trying to make a living where we can and have no more power than any POC.

Pop culture and politics are intertwined...in the sense that pop music is one of the most liberal outlets there is, right up there with Hollywood. These industries have supported anti-racism stances for years (not always of course, but they do now) what with the amount of pro-POC messages and general liberalism they send. That's why racists hate these industries because they percieve them to be spreading unwelcome messages to the world. Trust me, you don't have to worry about racism in pop music of all places.

You understand their hate but still validate it? That's how the cycle of hate continues. If you really think that if every racist white person stopped being racist, the world would be equal and harmonious, you're the one who's delusional. Some people have so much irrational hate towards certain groups that nothing that group does is ever good enough and never makes up for past wrongdoings. No matter how much whites try to amend themselves, a form of reasoning is invented to say why it's wrong or not good enough. If this attitude doesn't change, it's only going to get worse.

[IHE 555]

7 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said:

Most of us don't think of it as "reverse" racism, just racism. Surely the most woke thing to do is to realise that anyone can have hate dispensed onto them and it's unacceptable? Who are you to decide what white people have and haven't gone through and if what they've experienced is real or not? Denying someone's experience is not very woke. To write off someone's experience as a construct invented by the KKK is just as bad as saying any accounts of black racism is a construct invented by the Black Panthers. If you can't say one, you shouldn't be saying the other.

Can you please inform me as to when Beyonce used marching bands other than Coachella? Because I literally can't thin of any others outside of her SB appearances which doesn't count because almost every singer, before and after Beyonce, uses a marching band. It's a common feature of football games for entrances and halftimes, which is why it's sometimes incorporated into a halftime performance. When she does a marching band entrance, it's a reference to the opening of football game entrances, it's nothing she invented or  made popular. Until these copying accusations came out, I couldn't even fathom when Beyonce used a marching band, I've had to research this. If someone who follows Beyonce, as I do, can't recall it, maybe her use of marching bands is not as prevalent, memorable and iconic as you think it is. Taylor didn't "steal" this entrance. Being introduced by a marching band is one of the most popular ways to make an OTT entrance. Pop singers have been doing it for years, long before Beyonce. If your pop song has a drum beat in it, it's practically expected of you to exaggerate it by turning it into a marching band when you perform it live at an awards show. Hell, in the middle ages, royalty was introduced to the public with a band of trumpeters. It's that old, it's that classic. Is it any wonder Beyonce fans get so much hate when they make delusional statements about making marching bands popular when you consider the history of this throughout our culture?

"Prejudice" is an umbrella term and racism is a form of prejudice. And of course, the term "racial prejudice" exists. It all comes down to what word you want to use. I don't know how many times this has to be repeated. More people really need to start knowing what words mean before trying to school everyone.

If your bullies ran everything, you would be annoyed at those people in particular, not the innocent ones who can't help being employed by them or the ones who aren't even involved with them. Validating racist beliefs is never ok. You can understand where the anger comes from if you've had bad experiences with more than a few people from a certain group but you've got to be mature and realise that you should focus your outrage at the specific wrong-doers not everyone who looks like them. "One person did something mean to me and now I hate everyone who looks like them" is a child's mentality. And if it's not an acceptable way for white people to regard POC, why should it ever be accepted in reverse? Being oppressed doesn't give you the right to be a nasty person.

Unfortunately, there have been incidents of racist abuse and treatment towards whites in the US but it sounds as if you'd have to interest in researching these matters. But if you're interested in reading up on actual racial oppression towards whites outside America, just research what's happening in South Africa right now. Whites can no longer be employed if a business is at 12% white, they are offered no welfare by the government no matter how bad their situation is, their farms are being seized by the government, there are white squatter camps sprouting because no one will take them in, white children are being refused school places, whites are refused hospital treatment, white farmers and their families are being brutally murdered every day at a shocking rate. If that's not racism, I don't know what is, and liberal outlets repeatedly shun from reporting on this reality and when questioned, brush it off like it's nothing. When incidents come up that don't fit their agenda, they bail.

But anyway, yeah, I don't want Trump to be president any more than you do, but you're acting as if he'll be president forever. Things will change, new people get elected, things ebb and flow. I notice, by the way, that the reasoning of "we can't be a racist country, we have a black president" didn't wash when Obama was in power, yet here you are using the same logic when saying "of course we're a racist country, we have a racist president" and your reasoning gets support! Here I was thinking the president didn't define an entire country's people, like liberals were claiming before and then they use the same logic when it suits them! And POC aren't represented in America? They have talk shows with complete POC line-ups, entire music channels dedicated to black artists, specialised channels for Spanish speakers, black Americans compose a lot of America's most famous celebrities. A truly racist country would not accept such things or make them popular. Whites actually get killed more often by police in America. I know there's more of them but it's about their crime they're doing to warrant the shooting, not how many there are. In the westernised first world, there is no right POC are legally denied over whites, so I think you're exaggerating when you say they don't have equality. Not in the minds of everyone, sure, but legally speaking, no, they've got the same rights as everyone else.

To say white people run the world is a bit much. The 1% run the world. The rest of us are just trying to make a living where we can and have no more power than any POC.

Pop culture and politics are intertwined...in the sense that pop music is one of the most liberal outlets there is, right up there with Hollywood. These industries have supported anti-racism stances for years (not always of course, but they do now) what with the amount of pro-POC messages and general liberalism they send. That's why racists hate these industries because they percieve them to be spreading unwelcome messages to the world. Trust me, you don't have to worry about racism in pop music of all places.

You understand their hate but still validate it? That's how the cycle of hate continues. If you really think that if every racist white person stopped being racist, the world would be equal and harmonious, you're the one who's delusional. Some people have so much irrational hate towards certain groups that nothing that group does is ever good enough and never makes up for past wrongdoings. No matter how much whites try to amend themselves, a form of reasoning is invented to say why it's wrong or not good enough. If this attitude doesn't change, it's only going to get worse.

I don't read novels from people who consistently try and make reverse racism/racism towards whites in America a thing when it's not. Being willfully ignorant about racism in the US isn't something I'm going to put a bunch of emotional labor into, in order to help you become informed. I do find it predictable and disheartening when white people make long winded arguments that come from a place of fear, fear that they will lose their privilege and one day be treated like poc socially and economically. There is no conversation I will have with you again on this topic. It's like peeing into the wind as you clearly seem to be the one in every thread about racism, protecting the white folks.

[dnzr 372]

So apparently marching bands can only be used by beyonce now? what level of delulu does one have to be to think of that

[JR Gg 12,985]

On 5/3/2019 at 2:12 AM, IHE said:

Also, Bey didn't invent marching bands, but let's be real,  it's recent  use by Bey had some real iconic pop culture impact in a way that will go down in pop culture history. It is cemented as something significant, powerful, and important to her fans during a time when oppression is at an all time high. That's why the Beyhive is pissed. They see her as just another white girl stealing an entrance. I get it.

Let's be real, it's an invalid comparison.

Not everyone, like you, have to find excuses to "get" what their delusional minds are attacking other people about.

It's dumb, and it has nothing to do with oppression. And nothing to do with Beyoncé. 

[NCgaga 4,146]

But Gwen Stefani did it First on the Letterman Show back in like 2004. Band and all. Sit down behive

 

[NCgaga 4,146]

Gwen Stefani DId it before Beyonce in 2004. Fleetwood Mac did it before Gwen on MTV back in 1998. Beyhive is so delusional.