Sinead O’Connor Converts to Islam and Debuts New Name

[NathanC 938]

A sheep of one religion will be quick to be a sheep of another... poor thing, she's been insane for awhile...

[Ikvs 2,576]

No religion is true anyway lol

[Gardevoir 9,878]

Are people really debating over some made up by people books and trying to say that this was the will of God? I don't know what to say. 

[NCgaga 4,324]

She seems to have issues to clinging to certain ideals or beliefs. It's as if she needs it, and maybe we all do to an extent. This is just another chapter in her quest to self discovery. If it makes her happy and gives her some sort of stability, then good for her. 

[Guest Anisko]

I'm an ex muslim my mother is Jew and my father is muslim and tbh some islamophobic gays in this thread makes laughing out loud...  U guys need to educate yourselves more about islam .. And stop living in a boring bubble for the God's sake 

[PI Floppedt 904]

GGD may very well be the worst place to discuss religion, be it in a constructive or destructive manner, so I'm not surprised at how much criticism this news has drawn from a lot of people here. Personally, as a believer myself, I'm happy that she's found refuge and peace in at least one religion or at least something sacred, given the amount of emotional turmoil she's been through in recent years. I welcome her that way of life.

I encourage all of you who have been getting all information about Islam in the media all this time to actually find a way to learn about the religion, whilst keeping an open mind. You may be surprised at how different it is; how badly extremists (radical Islam believers) and the Western media have twisted people's perception of the religion after all these years

[River 117,678]

I read all the books as part of my studies at the Uni.

Do you want me to give ya'll some lessons about the 3 books?

Because all of you are sending each other to read the other books but it feels like none of you actually read the full books but read what you want or nothing lol

 

[Didymus 34,380]

18 hours ago, AlejandroooO said:

 Oh My Goodness ! You need to come and spend one day in the Middle East and loudly say I'm Gay , You'll be killed and people shouting Allah Akbar in 3 seconds. And it always was like that whether old or new ages.

But at the same time, nearly every married man has an affair with a bunch of young boys over there lol The Middle East has an infamous underground of same-sex culture that literally everybody there knows of, and tolerates. As long as you don't identify as gay you can **** as many guys as you want. I'm not saying that's an ideal situation, but it surely provides more nuance than to say those countries don't allow same-sex behavior  Don't act like I'm stupid, I've studied religion for four years now and am very well acquainted with Islamic history and I assure you that the popular imagination of Islamic history is completely unaligned with actual historical facts.

The sad truth is that homophobia was invented by Christianity and exported to other cultures via colonization. Don't believe me? Do your research then, Islamic tolerance towards same-sex behavior was notorious among Europeans and was even used as an excuse by several kings to invade the Middle East, as proof of their "depravity" (as they also did with the indigenous cultures of America btw).

It's true that the situation changed drastically in recent decades but there is a reason for that, and it's just counterproductive to pretend that Islamic culture has always been homophobic, it's just not true, and we should be stimulating Muslims to research their own history (as has been happening especially in the Netherlands lately with several controversial public publications that caused a massive stir in local Muslim culture because apparently they don't even know their own history of same-sex tolerance) instead of feeding their homophobia Who knows, our knowledge of the facts might even change Islamic culture for the better. But keep on doing what you're doing which is contributing to a lack of education, knowledge, and a promotion of bias, stereotypes and fear.

[Versace 7,979]

7 hours ago, Alii said:

Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment. 

And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

I can read Arabic too. There are many verses like that. Let’s not fool ourselves. 

Send them in Arabic then lol 

Nice try mistranslating though 

[AlejandroooO 515]

11 hours ago, ReginaGeorge said:

LMAO you are islamophobe and it’s clear. Read books and don’t humiliate yourself please. Enough of that. Qur’an is just as violent if not even less as other books. It’s a fact. Again, read. Sending love to you, you need it. And poor your “muslim” friends if they have friend like you. 

I don't think it's an insult calling me an Islamophobe . Anyone with a functioning brain seeing all the terrorism and voilence caused by your religion should be at least part islamophobe. Girl go cover your head or men in your religion who think they are Gods and judge everyone will call you an infidel and might kill you too.

[AlejandroooO 515]

1 hour ago, Didymus said:

But at the same time, nearly every married man has an affair with a bunch of young boys over there lol The Middle East has an infamous underground of same-sex culture that literally everybody there knows of, and tolerates. As long as you don't identify as gay you can **** as many guys as you want. I'm not saying that's an ideal situation, but it surely provides more nuance than to say those countries don't allow same-sex behavior  Don't act like I'm stupid, I've studied religion for four years now and am very well acquainted with Islamic history and I assure you that the popular imagination of Islamic history is completely unaligned with actual historical facts.

The sad truth is that homophobia was invented by Christianity and exported to other cultures via colonization. Don't believe me? Do your research then, Islamic tolerance towards same-sex behavior was notorious among Europeans and was even used as an excuse by several kings to invade the Middle East, as proof of their "depravity" (as they also did with the indigenous cultures of America btw).

It's true that the situation changed drastically in recent decades but there is a reason for that, and it's just counterproductive to pretend that Islamic culture has always been homophobic, it's just not true, and we should be stimulating Muslims to research their own history (as has been happening especially in the Netherlands lately with several controversial public publications that caused a massive stir in local Muslim culture because apparently they don't even know their own history of same-sex tolerance) instead of feeding their homophobia Who knows, our knowledge of the facts might even change Islamic culture for the better. But keep on doing what you're doing which is contributing to a lack of education, knowledge, and a promotion of bias, stereotypes and fear.

Honey I live in the Middle East and I speak Arabic I know exactly what I'm talking about. You're right about something which is 60% or more Arabs are Gay and that ranges from Kuwait to Saudi Arabia and many more countries. How do you want us to read or try to respect a religion that say killing the infidels in the name of Allah or even being childish terrorist on other religions saying whomever said Jesus son of Mary is God is an infidel. What kind of religion is that. I won't even start on woman NO rights in Islam cause that's needs a decade of discussion like cover your hair or you're an infidel or you get half inheritance money and witnessing at court as long as the man takes the double. As for LGBT thier history has always been terrible,  they'd rape , stone to death and humilate any gay to the most vulgar level yet they are pedos who rape young boys and f**k Indians for money while all being in the closet. As I told you I live there I see that and I sepak their langauge if you want any more info of their bloody awful history let me know.

[juicyjuicy 1,985]

4 hours ago, PI Floppedt said:

GGD may very well be the worst place to discuss religion, be it in a constructive or destructive manner, so I'm not surprised at how much criticism this news has drawn from a lot of people here. Personally, as a believer myself, I'm happy that she's found refuge and peace in at least one religion or at least something sacred, given the amount of emotional turmoil she's been through in recent years. I welcome her that way of life.

I encourage all of you who have been getting all information about Islam in the media all this time to actually find a way to learn about the religion, whilst keeping an open mind. You may be surprised at how different it is; how badly extremists (radical Islam believers) and the Western media have twisted people's perception of the religion after all these years

idk but u cute af hi

[avalon x 4,166]

12 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said:

 In areas like Bangladesh, Afghanistan, Egypt and Palestine, 49-71% of survey respondents said that it often justified to use suicide bombing in defence of Islam. The majority of Muslims in the middle east, Asia and Africa are supportive of sharia law - only 8 countries had support for sharia at less than 30%. Sharia support is very high among those surveyed in Bangladesh, Pakistan, Djibouti and Morocco, which showed anything between 82-84% support for it.

I don't know about the other countries but as a person who's been born and brought up in Bangladesh (and with a degree in Applied Statistics, if that helps) I would like to point some things out.

Suicide bombings are actually rare in Bangladesh. The reason they may have thought it's justified is because of the nationwide misconception of the word "Jihad". You can read about it in detail here. Also bear in mind that it is a developing country which had an adult literacy rate of only 47.08% back in 2011. Funnily enough, I even found another article that states -

" Suicide bombing was mostly rejected In the study by the Washington-based Pew Forum, but it won 40 percent support in the Palestinian territories, 39 percent in Afghanistan, 29 percent in Eygpt and 26 percent in Bangladesh. " - source

Whereas you said the percentage that supported suicide bombings was at least 49%. And although the title of the whole article is "Many in Muslim world want sharia as law of land: survey" the first line in it states this.

 " Large majorities in the Muslim world want the Islamic legal and moral code of sharia as the official law in their countries, but they disagree on what it includes and who should be subject to it, an extensive new survey says. "

One other thing I'd like to point out from the article, be it relevant or not -

"Democracy wins slight majorities in key Middle Eastern states - 54 percent in Iraq, 55 percent in Egypt - and falls to 29 percent in Pakistan. By contrast, it stands at 81 percent in Lebanon, 75 percent in Tunisia and 70 percent in Bangladesh.

In most countries surveyed, Muslims were more worried about Islamist militancy than any other form of religious violence."

I understand that this article itself may have bias and unreliable information as well. But that would also prove my point, would it not?

Now onto the matter of Sharia law, although you didn't say they follow Sharia law, I think it's important to point out the fact that Bangladesh itself actually has a secular democracy. (A bit more on that here.) Also from wikipedia they specifically mentioned, "Bangladesh although a developing country is one of the few secular Muslim majority countries in the world.", based on a report from the Bangladesh Bureau of Statistics (which is a bureau established by the government itself.)

And while they might have shown support for sharia law in the survey most people here don't even know what Sharia law is. (I myself don't have a through knowledge regarding it and I only heard about it 3-4 years ago.) And there was also a comment that you missed from that report -

Spoiler

According to the report, 80 percent of respondents believed that Shariah law would ensure basic service provision, personal security and justice and, under the said law, corruption in the country will be reduced. And these findings actually affirmed the earlier survey on this subject conducted by Pew Research Center of a US research institute back in 2011-2012 which stated that 82 percent of Muslims in Bangladesh were in favor of the Shari’ah law. However, it was bizarre and odd that the researchers mentioned in this report that the participants in the survey believe that democratic values and Shariah can be assimilated. And, researchers astoundingly made a concluding point that people of Bangladesh support both Democracy and Shariah – and for many, that make no sense.  Questions are being raised as to the method of survey as well as the objective of the research that produced such a paradoxical report.

It is obvious that democracy and Shariah are mutually exclusive. In democracy, sovereignty belongs to people and the human mind is the source and basis of legislation. On the other hand, for Shariah, sovereignty belongs to Allah (swt) and He (swt) is the sole source of legislation; limited human mind cannot be the basis of legislation, as far as the Shariah law is concerned.  There are inherent flaws in the man-made democratic systems which in-fact deceive the majority and cater for only the elites in the society. This cruel secular-democratic system has been failing the Muslims since the destruction of Khilafah. Lately, the shortcomings and hypocritical nature of democracy are being exposed and Muslims and even non-Muslim around the globe are demanding Shariah and have started seeing Khilafah as an alternative system of governance to ensure justice and to eliminate corruption.

Desperate secularists exerting their utmost to save the rotten system and to regain public confidence are undertaking various measures. This survey report is nothing but part of those tactics.  Secular media and some so called intellectuals always try to portray that democratic values have deep root in Bangladesh but the reality shows the opposite.  Muslims always have confidence on Shariah not only because ruling by Shariah is part of their Aqeedah, but it also ensures justice, security and prosperity, and that is evident from the history too. In-fact Muslims would never swallow the bitter pill of democracy had it not been presented within the sugar coated shell of rhetorical discourses. Had a sincere survey been conducted, and the people of Bangladesh were given a choice to pick between Shariah and Democracy, the result would be far more frustrating for the secularists. - source

From the first and second paragraph you can clearly see that the people of Bangladesh don't have a through knowledge about Sharia law and were not even properly educated while taking the survey. They thought it would fix the corruption in their government (which is a major, if not the most major issue in Bangladesh) and hence said they support it. (Also bear in mind that this survey was conducted back in 2011/2012 and the literacy rate was only 47% at the time.)

And also from the third paragraph you can see that the writer of this article is completely biased towards Sharia law and how the whole article was written to fuel his agenda towards it. You won't find many articles about Sharia law in Bangladesh or people wanting Sharia law in the future either because It's simply not a thing here.

So not to be rude but if so much of the survey results that you mentioned from Bangladesh are inaccurate.. who knows how credible the percentages from the other countries actually are?  We need to bear in mind that not all research and articles bear unbiased and credible information (or information that conveys a proper representation of a whole country whilst surveying a sample). We also need to bear in mind that there can be a large number of factors that influence the results of a survey as well and it is important to do more research on them before jumping to any conclusion (example being 'Bangladeshis supporting Sharia law'). And some sources for the survey results that you posted would be great as well if you don't mind.

[Guillaume Hamon 6,534]

Every of the 3 big religions has a mix of very violent messages and pro-peace messages. Basically you can be the most peaceful person ever thinking you follow it well or do violent things thinking you follow it well.

Folks who want to defend their religion cause it's an important part of their life + folks who want to look like the "good tolerant guys" can repeat "it's ignorance" but when you see violent thoughts in these books that could perfectly apply to today's society situations being minimized by imams, priest, rabbis who can't really deny their existence...You know it will always be interpreted in many different ways by many différents persons around the world therefore always create problems.

There's a reason if folks pretty much never bash Hinduism Zoroastrianism or some other beliefs and it's not "Islamophobia" to give a view. Folks freely discuss Christianity nowadays and it's not labelled as "hate" right away to avoid any discussion.

[Guest Anisko]

4 hours ago, Didymus said:

But at the same time, nearly every married man has an affair with a bunch of young boys over there lol The Middle East has an infamous underground of same-sex culture that literally everybody there knows of, and tolerates. As long as you don't identify as gay you can **** as many guys as you want. I'm not saying that's an ideal situation, but it surely provides more nuance than to say those countries don't allow same-sex behavior  Don't act like I'm stupid, I've studied religion for four years now and am very well acquainted with Islamic history and I assure you that the popular imagination of Islamic history is completely unaligned with actual historical facts.

The sad truth is that homophobia was invented by Christianity and exported to other cultures via colonization. Don't believe me? Do your research then, Islamic tolerance towards same-sex behavior was notorious among Europeans and was even used as an excuse by several kings to invade the Middle East, as proof of their "depravity" (as they also did with the indigenous cultures of America btw).

It's true that the situation changed drastically in recent decades but there is a reason for that, and it's just counterproductive to pretend that Islamic culture has always been homophobic, it's just not true, and we should be stimulating Muslims to research their own history (as has been happening especially in the Netherlands lately with several controversial public publications that caused a massive stir in local Muslim culture because apparently they don't even know their own history of same-sex tolerance) instead of feeding their homophobia Who knows, our knowledge of the facts might even change Islamic culture for the better. But keep on doing what you're doing which is contributing to a lack of education, knowledge, and a promotion of bias, stereotypes and fear.

U said wha i really wants to say but i can't cause of my bad english ... U really made my day .. Educate them dear