Sinead O’Connor Converts to Islam and Debuts New Name

[Versace 7,979]

17 hours ago, MyQueen said:

Past? Read the koran

 

17 hours ago, Pantera said:

I don't need the media to tell me what Islam is. Read the Koran as @MyQueen suggested.

 

14 hours ago, Blond said:

Look at Middle east, look at other muslim countries, look at rising crime rate in Scandinavia  This person is supporting a violent religion. Read Quran ASAP  Women rights gone, LGBT rights gone, tolerance + freedom of speech gone

She could have read a book or two about physics, chemistry or linguistics (or any other discipline). 

and she is a celebrity, i am allowed to criticize her moves. If she wanted  to keep it private, she could've had, but she didn't 

 

 

Y'all are liars, cause the Quran is actually in Arabic and translation is never 100% accurate. I can read Arabic and in all honesty, there is no mention of the need for being violent. The Quran is not just a bunch of words, if you studied its structure, form, and language from a literary perspective not even religious, it defies most rules of basic language and thus deriving meaning from it requires thorough education on the history of the Islamic civilization and its people. Islam actually existed eons ago, before the Quran was actually a thing. At heart, the religion had one belief which was believing that God is one and God created the universe. Just by believing God is one entity, anyone was basically following what later became to be Islam. Islam is about Allah (One God), sadly nowadays it got so much further from the core point and is being judged by how people interpret it and how some corrupt Muslims represent it through violence and oppression. However, millions of Muslim people are living ordinary lives and are nice and loving people just like anyone. Islam isn't a race, it's a belief. You can walk down the street and not know you passed a bunch of Muslims. Some Muslims are American, some are European and some are Asian. Some Muslim females don't even wear a headscarf. Please educate yourselves before assuming you know. Even if you wanna establish an opinion for it to even hold some credibility you'd need years of research. It's not one of those things where a google search and media coverage is a definitive perspective. 

[StrawberryBlond 14,909]

She has the right to do whatever she wants but I'd strongly discourage finding religion when you're not of stable mind. It must be something entered with full commitment and understanding and not because you're at a low ebb. People who do that sometimes end up being extremists. Her view that "all roads lead to Islam" and that it's the "ultimate conclusion in any intelligent theologian's journey" is problematic on many levels. I'm really tired of seeing Islam trying to be repackaged as this accepting, all-knowing religion that's better than any other in the last few years. No religion should be held up like that. Ranking some as better than others is where all the trouble starts. I find the whole name change thing to be quite sinister, really. I don't see why changing your name should be in any way connected to religion and it's like you're stripping away your old self which can't be all that healthy, really.

11 hours ago, ReginaGeorge said:

LMAO you should read Qur’an and then come here and talk because you just seems less intelligent by stating facts that are completely wrong. Every religion has forbidden LGBT right BUT to say woman had less rights in Qur’an is just beyond crazy. Sorry but you clearly didn’t read it and please don’t be islamophobic. I as a muslim woman can assure you that I have every right and maybe even more. 

Speaking as someone who has a degree in religion and has examined what ex Muslims have to say, I can confirm that there is some seriously dangerous stuff written in the Qur'an and it shouldn't be used in the fundamentalist sense to live one's live in the modern day. I ironically only really saw the light once my degree was over. I bought into that belief that women chose to wear the burqa and it was a powerful statement about their feminism but over time, I've come to the conclusion that it's rarely the case. As a Muslim woman, you will always have less rights as long as you live in Muslim country or community - the Qur'ran itself states it. If it was equal, Muslim men and women would live exactly the same lives and they don't. For example, if wearing the burqa is such a great thing, why don't men do it? Because it was designed to keep women down in society. This girl in particular explains it quite well and contains a quote:

You have rights because, according to other users here, you don't live in a Muslim country. Under European law, you have freedoms and in such an environment, you can practice Islam in a harmless way. But those living in Muslim majority countries live under real oppression and this is the reality of it:

And this is what happens when you try to leave the religion:

While of course, not every Muslim is violent, a shockingly high percentage seem to have radically different views from non-Muslims that should really give you pause. There was a poll conducted of 38,000 Muslims in the Middle East, Asia and Africa and 77% of them were against abortion, 80% of them were against alcohol consumption, 85% said wives should always be obedient to their husbands and 90% said that they were against homosexuality. When beliefs were broken down by territory, the results were even more shocking. In areas like Bangladesh, Afghanistan, Egypt and Palestine, 49-71% of survey respondents said that it often justified to use suicide bombing in defence of Islam. The majority of Muslims in the middle east, Asia and Africa are supportive of sharia law - only 8 countries had support for sharia at less than 30%. Sharia support is very high among those surveyed in Bangladesh, Pakistan, Djibouti and Morocco, which showed anything between 82-84% support for it. In Niger, Malaysia and Palestine, it's as high as 89% support. In Afghanistan, 99% of respondents supported sharia. How often do you see 99% support for anything in a survey? Most regions supported a religious judge deciding matters in divorce court (as much as 84% support), severe punishment for criminals like cutting the hands off thieves got as much as 81% support and as many as 76% of south Asian respondents said people who leave Islam should be executed. As for Muslims in the West, the results weren't much better. 23% of British Muslims said they wanted sharia law to replace British law, 31% said men should be allowed to have more than one wife, 39% said wives should always obey their husbands, 45% said homosexuality should be discouraged by society and 52% said homosexuality should be illegal. Shockingly, 51% of American Muslims said they should be given the choice of whether they want their community ruled by sharia. Overall, 1 in 4 respondents said force was understandable to defend their religion.

You may well argue that this is the culture at work, not the religion, but the culture came from the religion. While there's plenty of decent, law-abiding Muslims in the world, there's a concerning amount who seem to think it's ok to do immoral things in the name of their religion. Christianity, for all its faults, has moved on from the dark ages, has become more liberal and accepting and communities who do practice it in its most fundamental form are super rare these days. But there's no denying that Islam, as a whole, has not modernised enough. Once again, I say all this as someone who studied the religion. I'm a believer in God myself, but wouldn't call myself a Christian as I don't actually practice the religion. I'm all for anyone practicing their faith in a noble, respectful way...but when large numbers from that faith are making life difficult for other people and not letting them live their lives in peace, I'm going to have something to say about what's truly going on in this belief system and why so many problems are arising from it.

[Regina George 59,387]

3 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

She has the right to do whatever she wants but I'd strongly discourage finding religion when you're not of stable mind. It must be something entered with full commitment and understanding and not because you're at a low ebb. People who do that sometimes end up being extremists. Her view that "all roads lead to Islam" and that it's the "ultimate conclusion in any intelligent theologian's journey" is problematic on many levels. I'm really tired of seeing Islam trying to be repackaged as this accepting, all-knowing religion that's better than any other in the last few years. No religion should be held up like that. Ranking some as better than others is where all the trouble starts. I find the whole name change thing to be quite sinister, really. I don't see why changing your name should be in any way connected to religion and it's like you're stripping away your old self which can't be all that healthy, really.

Speaking as someone who has a degree in religion and has examined what ex Muslims have to say, I can confirm that there is some seriously dangerous stuff written in the Qur'an and it shouldn't be used in the fundamentalist sense to live one's live in the modern day. I ironically only really saw the light once my degree was over. I bought into that belief that women chose to wear the burqa and it was a powerful statement about their feminism but over time, I've come to the conclusion that it's rarely the case. As a Muslim woman, you will always have less rights as long as you live in Muslim country or community - the Qur'ran itself states it. If it was equal, Muslim men and women would live exactly the same lives and they don't. For example, if wearing the burqa is such a great thing, why don't men do it? Because it was designed to keep women down in society. This girl in particular explains it quite well and contains a quote:

You have rights because, according to other users here, you don't live in a Muslim country. Under European law, you have freedoms and in such an environment, you can practice Islam in a harmless way. But those living in Muslim majority countries live under real oppression and this is the reality of it:

And this is what happens when you try to leave the religion:

While of course, not every Muslim is violent, a shockingly high percentage seem to have radically different views from non-Muslims that should really give you pause. There was a poll conducted of 38,000 Muslims in the Middle East, Asia and Africa and 77% of them were against abortion, 80% of them were against alcohol consumption, 85% said wives should always be obedient to their husbands and 90% said that they were against homosexuality. When beliefs were broken down by territory, the results were even more shocking. In areas like Bangladesh, Afghanistan, Egypt and Palestine, 49-71% of survey respondents said that it often justified to use suicide bombing in defence of Islam. The majority of Muslims in the middle east, Asia and Africa are supportive of sharia law - only 8 countries had support for sharia at less than 30%. Sharia support is very high among those surveyed in Bangladesh, Pakistan, Djibouti and Morocco, which showed anything between 82-84% support for it. In Niger, Malaysia and Palestine, it's as high as 89% support. In Afghanistan, 99% of respondents supported sharia. How often do you see 99% support for anything in a survey? Most regions supported a religious judge deciding matters in divorce court (as much as 84% support), severe punishment for criminals like cutting the hands off thieves got as much as 81% support and as many as 76% of south Asian respondents said people who leave Islam should be executed. As for Muslims in the West, the results weren't much better. 23% of British Muslims said they wanted sharia law to replace British law, 31% said men should be allowed to have more than one wife, 39% said wives should always obey their husbands, 45% said homosexuality should be discouraged by society and 52% said homosexuality should be illegal. Shockingly, 51% of American Muslims said they should be given the choice of whether they want their community ruled by sharia. Overall, 1 in 4 respondents said force was understandable to defend their religion.

You may well argue that this is the culture at work, not the religion, but the culture came from the religion. While there's plenty of decent, law-abiding Muslims in the world, there's a concerning amount who seem to think it's ok to do immoral things in the name of their religion. Christianity, for all its faults, has moved on from the dark ages, has become more liberal and accepting and communities who do practice it in its most fundamental form are super rare these days. But there's no denying that Islam, as a whole, has not modernised enough. Once again, I say all this as someone who studied the religion. I'm a believer in God myself, but wouldn't call myself a Christian as I don't actually practice the religion. I'm all for anyone practicing their faith in a noble, respectful way...but when large numbers from that faith are making life difficult for other people and not letting them live their lives in peace, I'm going to have something to say about what's truly going on in this belief system and why so many problems are arising from it.

Sorry but you are wrong on so many levels and I’ll politely try to explain why. Woman is Qur’an is shown as something holy, sothing that brings life, something that only by being woman deserved to not do anything in her life, who deserved to have everything and to have men work for them and bring them everything they need. NO WHERE in Qur’an it’s stated that women are forbidden to work, attend schools (for God’s sake first words in Qur’an are “read and learn”), choose their partner, that women are less. NO WHERE. What you are talking about is culture. About burqas - woman has to have it during prayer and that is what is said in Qur’an along with that women SHOULD cover their skins because their body is said to be something most beautiful and something that should be garded. People don’t understand Islam and people listen to propaganda and give their opinions without even reading and exploring. Every religion had violent past. Also killing ANYONE is the biggest sin in Islam (unless it’s to protect yourself), killing yourself is biggest sin (I’m mentioning this because someone said islam had encouraged suicide - which is crazy) - so NO ONE can come here and talk about how God said we should kill those who don’t believe in Islam. Only thing that is said about other religion is that - WE AS MUSLIMS SHOULD RESPECT EVERY OTHER RELIGION. 

[StrawberryBlond 14,909]

1 minute ago, ReginaGeorge said:

Sorry but you are wrong on so many levels and I’ll politely try to explain why. Woman is Qur’an is shown as something holy, sothing that brings life, something that only by being woman deserved to not do anything in her life, who deserved to have everything and to have men work for them and bring them everything they need. NO WHERE in Qur’an it’s stated that women are forbidden to work, attend schools (for God’s sake first words in Qur’an are “read and learn”), choose their partner, that women are less. NO WHERE. What you are talking about is culture. About burqas - woman has to have it during prayer and that is what is said in Qur’an along with that women SHOULD cover their skins because their body is said to be something most beautiful and something that should be garded. People don’t understand Islam and people listen to propaganda and give their opinions without even reading and exploring. Every religion had violent past. Also killing ANYONE is the biggest sin in Islam (unless it’s to protect yourself), killing yourself is biggest sin (I’m mentioning this because someone said islam had encouraged suicide - which is crazy) - so NO ONE can come here and talk about how God said we should kill those who don’t believe in Islam. Only thing that is said about other religion is that - WE AS MUSLIMS SHOULD RESPECT EVERY OTHER RELIGION. 

But that's very problematic language when you really think about it. If women are so precious, why is their word worth less than a man's in court? Why should they be allowed to be married off to grown men when they are children and clearly at an age where they cannot consent? It's a different way of looking at things, but I think it's so patronising to say that females need to be protected against the evils of the world, in all its forms. I can take it just as much as any man can. Saying that you're "protecting" women is manipulative language when in reality, you are keeping them at home and under the thumb so they can never defend themselves or have their own mind. If women aren't protected, they could discover a different path in life and decide that they don't want to get married or they don't want to practice Islam anymore. Religion has long been afraid of women having their own minds and Islam is no different. Saying that "women can have men work for them and bring them everything they need" is the exact opposite of feminist thought. The Qur'an states that women should dress "modestly," it also states the same for men, yet men are not expected to cover their bodies in the same way, so what's with the extreme definition? The reality is that no man would want the irritation of having his whole body covered so he cannot communicate properly, can't recognise aquaintances and can't even eat and drink. Cultural it may be, but it came from something in the Qur'ran, albeit misinterpreted. The Bible also states that women should cover their heads in church but that is rare to non-existant these days. So, why have some religions remained in the dark ages and others have moved on? That's what you have to ask yourself. And if all this stuff I said is wrong, well, the question still remains: why are so many Muslims misinterpreting their religion? I never said that there wasn't a problem in the culture. It's largely to do with the culture, that's what I'm criticising. As you can see, my response was almost completely about Muslims themselves, not the religion. You can't deny those survey results.

[Regina George 59,387]

2 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

But that's very problematic language when you really think about it. If women are so precious, why is their word worth less than a man's in court? Why should they be allowed to be married off to grown men when they are children and clearly at an age where they cannot consent? It's a different way of looking at things, but I think it's so patronising to say that females need to be protected against the evils of the world, in all its forms. I can take it just as much as any man can. Saying that you're "protecting" women is manipulative language when in reality, you are keeping them at home and under the thumb so they can never defend themselves or have their own mind. If women aren't protected, they could discover a different path in life and decide that they don't want to get married or they don't want to practice Islam anymore. Religion has long been afraid of women having their own minds and Islam is no different. Saying that "women can have men work for them and bring them everything they need" is the exact opposite of feminist thought. The Qur'an states that women should dress "modestly," it also states the same for men, yet men are not expected to cover their bodies in the same way, so what's with the extreme definition? The reality is that no man would want the irritation of having his whole body covered so he cannot communicate properly, can't recognise aquaintances and can't even eat and drink. Cultural it may be, but it came from something in the Qur'ran, albeit misinterpreted. The Bible also states that women should cover their heads in church but that is rare to non-existant these days. So, why have some religions remained in the dark ages and others have moved on? That's what you have to ask yourself. And if all this stuff I said is wrong, well, the question still remains: why are so many Muslims misinterpreting their religion? I never said that there wasn't a problem in the culture. It's largely to do with the culture, that's what I'm criticising. As you can see, my response was almost completely about Muslims themselves, not the religion. You can't deny those survey results.

Because THAT IS LAW BY MAN not by god. That is not Islam. That is man doing the most. Again that is law in those countries that had NOTHING to do with islam. 

[StrawberryBlond 14,909]

1 minute ago, ReginaGeorge said:

Because THAT IS LAW BY MAN not by god. That is not Islam. That is man doing the most. Again that is law in those countries that had NOTHING to do with islam. 

But its laws are based on the word of God! Non-Muslim countries have law by man, religion is a completely separate entity to them. And what are you meaning when you say these countries have nothing to do with Islam, they're Muslim majority! You clearly haven't watched the videos I posted as you replied too soon. Look at the video about the Shara Police operating in Indonesia, making sure everyone's following the laws of Islam. This is purely religious based law at work.

[Pantera 743]

11 hours ago, FinnishGypsy said:

What in the hell gives you the authority to quantify and rank religious-based acts of inhumane and unspeakable hypocritical cruelty? I’m sure the massive number of children who have been raped by Catholic priests would appreciate you telling them, “hey, at least they weren’t hurting you as badly as ISIS would’ve.”

How utterly ridiculous and insulting to minimize the lifelong trauma for the countless survivors of sexual and/or physical abuse that the Catholic Church has actively covered up for decades on end to essentially no repercussions whatsoever. And seemingly for the sole purpose of bandwagoning onto the oh-so-trendy wave of Islamophobia.

In fact, I’d argue the Catholics are even more disgustingly hypocritical in their beliefs than, say, a radicalized suicide bomber, because at least the terrorist is 100% transparent about his intentions. These Catholic predators, however, know full well how despicable their pedophilic actions are, and yet not only continue the behavior but go out of their way to protect one another from facing any legal repercussions. 

Also, far more children are victims of sexual abuse than victims of terroristic attacks. So your whole argument is incredibly flawed. 

They are both trash. That is the point. This is not a competition. But right now, Islam is more dangerous. Period.

[chrismugler 944]

Ok, as long she feels happy. She needs help and I hope she gets the peace she's looking for.

[Alii 2,039]

4 hours ago, destinyofself said:

At the end of the day people, Christianity is much more accepting than Islam, the church now accept gay marriage that will NEVER happen in Islam. And people talking about the old testament LOL it's OLD for a reason. 

We don’t know that it will never happen. Let’s not forget that the West used to execute gay men in the Middle Ages, when the Bible was law. 

[Ladygagajazz24 35]

 we have to respect her cause homophobic people dont respect us and hate us. If we want for the respect to others we have to be understand. I am a gay and at the same time a müslim. I believe my god you are believe yours. And all that matter is to be kind , respect, love and acceptance. So many people says islam is about terrorism. Its not cause i am not a terrorist.terrorists doesnt have any religion cause killing a people is the top of the sins. I JUST dont like and radical christian and müslim and etc. So if she is happy i am happy.

[Alii 2,039]

1 hour ago, Versace said:

 

 

 

Y'all are liars, cause the Quran is actually in Arabic and translation is never 100% accurate. I can read Arabic and in all honesty, there is no mention of the need for being violent. The Quran is not just a bunch of words, if you studied its structure, form, and language from a literary perspective not even religious, it defies most rules of basic language and thus deriving meaning from it requires thorough education on the history of the Islamic civilization and its people. Islam actually existed eons ago, before the Quran was actually a thing. At heart, the religion had one belief which was believing that God is one and God created the universe. Just by believing God is one entity, anyone was basically following what later became to be Islam. Islam is about Allah (One God), sadly nowadays it got so much further from the core point and is being judged by how people interpret it and how some corrupt Muslims represent it through violence and oppression. However, millions of Muslim people are living ordinary lives and are nice and loving people just like anyone. Islam isn't a race, it's a belief. You can walk down the street and not know you passed a bunch of Muslims. Some Muslims are American, some are European and some are Asian. Some Muslim females don't even wear a headscarf. Please educate yourselves before assuming you know. Even if you wanna establish an opinion for it to even hold some credibility you'd need years of research. It's not one of those things where a google search and media coverage is a definitive perspective. 

Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment. 

And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

I can read Arabic too. There are many verses like that. Let’s not fool ourselves. 

[Regina George 59,387]

1 hour ago, StrawberryBlond said:

But its laws are based on the word of God! Non-Muslim countries have law by man, religion is a completely separate entity to them. And what are you meaning when you say these countries have nothing to do with Islam, they're Muslim majority! You clearly haven't watched the videos I posted as you replied too soon. Look at the video about the Shara Police operating in Indonesia, making sure everyone's following the laws of Islam. This is purely religious based law at work.

Girl those laws are made by a man not God. There are no laws in Qur'an. And those laws ARE DEF not based on God's words because they go against a lot of stuff written in Qur'an. Agian if you are really studying religions then I'm sorry to tell you but you are not doing it well if you truly believe that killing is something that is alowed in Islam.

[FinnishGypsy 921]

1 hour ago, Pantera said:

They are both trash. That is the point. This is not a competition. But right now, Islam is more dangerous. Period.

I’m pretty sure the Little Monsters are the most fanatical and dangerous of all groups.  My first time going to a Gaga concert (Monster Ball), before the show even started these security guards had to pull away two tiny guys punching each other down in the pit. I’ll never forget that couple because one was white and dressed just like Gaga from “Telephone”; the other was black and dressed exactly like Beyoncé from the MV. But then they had an abrupt, violent catfight. Some blood spilled onto my boots. But 10 years later, and I’m still stanning over here. 

ETA: I guess you could say that concert was my religious experience. 

[Bloodyjack 794]

This is strange lol. Sure it's her decision and I'm trying my hardest not to judge but she's been Soo heavy on Catholicism her entire life and has been so openly passionate about the church. It seems like a decision that's very sudden

[FinnishGypsy 921]

1 hour ago, StrawberryBlond said:

But that's very problematic language when you really think about it. If women are so precious, why is their word worth less than a man's in court? Why should they be allowed to be married off to grown men when they are children and clearly at an age where they cannot consent? It's a different way of looking at things, but I think it's so patronising to say that females need to be protected against the evils of the world, in all its forms. I can take it just as much as any man can. Saying that you're "protecting" women is manipulative language when in reality, you are keeping them at home and under the thumb so they can never defend themselves or have their own mind. If women aren't protected, they could discover a different path in life and decide that they don't want to get married or they don't want to practice Islam anymore. Religion has long been afraid of women having their own minds and Islam is no different. Saying that "women can have men work for them and bring them everything they need" is the exact opposite of feminist thought. The Qur'an states that women should dress "modestly," it also states the same for men, yet men are not expected to cover their bodies in the same way, so what's with the extreme definition? The reality is that no man would want the irritation of having his whole body covered so he cannot communicate properly, can't recognise aquaintances and can't even eat and drink. Cultural it may be, but it came from something in the Qur'ran, albeit misinterpreted. The Bible also states that women should cover their heads in church but that is rare to non-existant these days. So, why have some religions remained in the dark ages and others have moved on? That's what you have to ask yourself. And if all this stuff I said is wrong, well, the question still remains: why are so many Muslims misinterpreting their religion? I never said that there wasn't a problem in the culture. It's largely to do with the culture, that's what I'm criticising. As you can see, my response was almost completely about Muslims themselves, not the religion. You can't deny those survey results.

We have an admitted sex predator both in the White House AND the Supreme Court. So talking about lack of protection of women’s rights isn't applicable in the US; at present, I'm afraid we are in no position to judge how egalitarian another society is.

Further, American men have had nearly half a century to adjust to women having control of their own reproductive rights, and yet they chip more and more away at Roe v Wade each year. And we know they won't stop until every clinic is closed (some states are already down to just one). 

Further, as of 2016, women still made 82 cents for every dollar a man made. Our rights are constantly being debated and reduced on our behalf by a bunch of men, and it’s crazy we are more than half the populartion and yet we still have to protest the same **** for 45 years.  

Finally, and most horrifyingly, 1 out of every 6 American women has been the victim of an attempted or completed rape in her lifetime. Many victims are not believed, and almost none of the rapists are ever prosecuted. And these are just the reported rapes, so it’s estimated to be more like 1 in 4 women are victims of assault. Thus, considering this nation has a huge Christian majority (>3/4), and we have a negligible Muslim minority, I would then also ponder why we seem to still be in the dark ages ourselves in so many ways.