Harry 26,836 Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 2 hours ago, Yaxley said: Why is everybody saying he was wrong for not releasing her from the contract? She was in an effing contract. It is not the norm to be released from a contract. It was great and all that people like zayn were released easily but dr Luke by no means had to Because it's their opinion... And it goes beyond him. Plenty of artists have been caught up in unfair contracts because there's nothing in place to protect them. Of course he doesn't have to, legally speaking. But morals have to come into play at some point. You don't think it's at least a little bit sad that a man signed a promising but naive teenager over ten years younger than him into a contract where he basically owned her? And he won't let her go despite their obvious differences and issues? She clearly doesn't want to work with him in any capacity and he knows that better than anyone. It's awful that he would keep her locked in. For what? Had they just parted ways years ago this whole mess could've been avoided. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
President Trump 3,508 Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 17 minutes ago, Harry said: But the plan was always to perform the song that she did, though... Nice to know you'd be comfortable with preventing someone from exercising their right to freedom of speech though. How was dr Luke supposed to know that she wasn't going to trash him , for certain. And what are you on about in your second part of that post. I never said that crap. I said as dr Luke I wouldn't have let her perform either since she was under my contract and given the circumstances Ma ma pa pa pa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry 26,836 Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 2 minutes ago, Yaxley said: How was dr Luke supposed to know that she wasn't going to trash him , for certain. And what are you on about in your second part of that post. I never said that crap. I said as dr Luke I wouldn't have let her perform either since she was under my contract and given the circumstances But that's exactly what it was, though... He thought she'd say something against him on TV so he pulled her performance. Literally silencing her. Not that she would be so stupid to risk her legal standings like that in front of millions. Clearly the girl just wants to sing and share her music and talent with the world. But obviously Luke, and people like you, just see it through a corporate lens. Guess we just have different opinions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
President Trump 3,508 Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 13 minutes ago, Harry said: Because it's their opinion... And it goes beyond him. Plenty of artists have been caught up in unfair contracts because there's nothing in place to protect them. Of course he doesn't have to, legally speaking. But morals have to come into play at some point. You don't think it's at least a little bit sad that a man signed a promising but naive teenager over ten years younger than him into a contract where he basically owned her? And he won't let her go despite their obvious differences and issues? She clearly doesn't want to work with him in any capacity and he knows that better than anyone. It's awful that he would keep her locked in. For what? Had they just parted ways years ago this whole mess could've been avoided. Yeah I agree with you but dr Luke can do what he wants with his contract and cannot be looked down upon when Kesha voluntarily agreed to the contract herself, was not coerced to sign it, etc. and certainly it would have been the nicer thing to do to release Kesha after she decided she wanted to leave after she made her millions but he is under no obligation to do so . I think he probably should have but he is in no way s criminal for not having done so like little monsters make him out to be Ma ma pa pa pa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
President Trump 3,508 Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 2 minutes ago, Harry said: But that's exactly what it was, though... He thought she'd say something against him on TV so he pulled her performance. Literally silencing her. Not that she would be so stupid to risk her legal standings like that in front of millions. Clearly the girl just wants to sing and share her music and talent with the world. But obviously Luke, and people like you, just see it through a corporate lens. Guess we just have different opinions. No I was seeing it from his perspective although when it comes to the contract part yes he is under no obligation to break a contract signed by both parties . Ma ma pa pa pa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry 26,836 Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 Just now, Yaxley said: Yeah I agree with you but dr Luke can do what he wants with his contract and cannot be looked down upon when Kesha voluntarily agreed to the contract herself, was not coerced to sign it, etc. and certainly it would have been the nicer thing to do to release Kesha after she decided she wanted to leave after she made her millions but he is under no obligation to do so . I think he probably should have but he is in no way s criminal for not having done so like little monsters make him out to be I already said of course he doesn't have to do it. Read. But that doesn't mean people can't look down on him or have an issue with how it's been handled. Kesha was 18 and poor when she signed that contract. She was looking to get into the industry and had interest from a big producer, no doubt couldn't afford a proper lawyer to look over the contract, and probably thought that he was a nice man. And that's what is most heartbreaking about it for me... She didn't have any cynicism about it and trusted him. Now he's given her all the reason to not trust. You said it yourself, it would've been nicer. Once again, I'll repeat, legally speaking he was within his rights but morally I'm finding it difficult to see any reasonable way of defending him. He's a horrible person for doing what he has done to her. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheResidentZionist 128 Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 On 7/11/2016 at 8:27 AM, Britney Spears said: I don't think that what's happening is right..There are literally 0 proof that he did this but everyone treats him like he is the worst person alive Ya know I was raped. There is technically zero proof. I dunno how exactly I would prove it anyways Guess you don't know how it feels "till it happens to you". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
President Trump 3,508 Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 20 minutes ago, Harry said: I already said of course he doesn't have to do it. Read. But that doesn't mean people can't look down on him or have an issue with how it's been handled. Kesha was 18 and poor when she signed that contract. She was looking to get into the industry and had interest from a big producer, no doubt couldn't afford a proper lawyer to look over the contract, and probably thought that he was a nice man. And that's what is most heartbreaking about it for me... She didn't have any cynicism about it and trusted him. Now he's given her all the reason to not trust. You said it yourself, it would've been nicer. Once again, I'll repeat, legally speaking he was within his rights but morally I'm finding it difficult to see any reasonable way of defending him. He's a horrible person for doing what he has done to her. I hate having discussions on message boards. Like your first sentence was as inflammatory as they come :"I already said that. Read." Like I'm an idiot. I thought we were having a pretty regular discussion. Of course I repeated some things just like you did. Sorry you got heated I guess. The only reason I mentioned it is because some little monsters were making it out like anyone that wants to be released from a contract should be released, when that is not the case. Dr Luke might be a terrible person, who knows, but someone in a contract should never be expected to actually not fulfill the bindings the contract dictates. regardless if that's the "nice" thing to do or not Ma ma pa pa pa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
President Trump 3,508 Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 17 minutes ago, iamlost481516 said: Ya know I was raped. There is technically zero proof. I dunno how exactly I would prove it anyways Guess you don't know how it feels "till it happens to you". I'm not being rude but that doesn't apply to this situation. Kesha lied already under oath, said it didn't happen, now backtracked when she wants out of the contract. Given the fact that there is no proof, and she previously had stated the opposite, there is no way in the world someone's career should be destroyed when there is no evidence at all, just because you can sympathize with what MIGHT have happened. It just doesn't make sense logically , even if most people tend to want to run and be emotional and instantly believe a side they can sympathize with. I mean Kesha might be telling the truth even. But the nature of the charge is too serious given all of the facts. Someone can just as easily say "she's telling the truth" as say "she's lying." And for totally different reasons. so since nobody really has any idea whatsoever it is not a fair judgment to make against dr Luke Ma ma pa pa pa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
malazam 15,710 Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 On 11/7/2016 at 0:26 PM, brendablethyn said: Was he ever found guilty of anything? Or charged? There is more evidence against Michael Jackson than there is against Dr Luke tbh. another shot before we kiss the other side Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry 26,836 Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 Just now, Yaxley said: I hate having discussions on message boards. Like your first sentence was as inflammatory as they come :"I already said that. Read." Like I'm an idiot. I thought we were having a pretty regular discussion. Of course I repeated some things just like you did. Sorry you got heated I guess. The only reason I mentioned it is because some little monsters were making it out like anyone that wants to be released from a contract should be released, when that is not the case. Dr Luke might be a terrible person, who knows, but someone in a contract should never be expected to actually not fulfill the bindings the contract dictates. regardless if that's the "nice" thing to do or not It is a regular discussion but discussions tend to flow better when people actually take in the post that they're replying to, and it's clear that you didn't do that when you repeated a point that I had already responded to. But whatever. Yes. I know, and I agree that people shouldn't be let out whenever they want. And like I've said numerous times, no one is dismissing the content of the contract. It's not news that he has virtually complete control over her career, so I don't know why you insist on repeating it. People are upset that this kind of contract/ownership is actually allowed. And lemme repeat it again before you jump in - everyone knows that it is allowed, and that's how it is. We know that very well, and that's sort of the point. Doesn't mean people can't be upset at that or angry at him for using that contract to drive her career, happiness and freedom into the ground. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
President Trump 3,508 Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 1 minute ago, Harry said: It is a regular discussion but discussions tend to flow better when people actually take in the post that they're replying to, and it's clear that you didn't do that when you repeated a point that I had already responded to. But whatever. Yes. I know, and I agree that people shouldn't be let out whenever they want. And like I've said numerous times, no one is dismissing the content of the contract. It's not news that he has virtually complete control over her career, so I don't know why you insist on repeating it. People are upset that this kind of contract/ownership is actually allowed. And lemme repeat it again before you jump in - everyone knows that it is allowed, and that's how it is. We know that very well, and that's sort of the point. Doesn't mean people can't be upset at that or angry at him for using that contract to drive her career, happiness and freedom into the ground. Okay your entire post wound up just low key insulting me. When people have discussions , especially in written form, they tend to summarize and state things as a whole in order to make the post flow better. These random ad hominem attacks on me by you are not very veiled. I will gracefully exit this discussion with you since 1) I am not the idiot you try to make others out to be, and had thoroughly read all of your posts while generously trying to have a nice conversation , and 2) I do not feel the need to have you insult me further, which I feel is a distraction due to your not liking my viewpoint, which actually is a neutral viewpoint and nothing to be upset over. I have already stated everything there is to say , and I certainly do not wish to state them again in a different format as you appear to take that as a personal insult. Ma ma pa pa pa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
President Trump 3,508 Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 10 minutes ago, malazam said: Is he wrong? Ma ma pa pa pa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiona Apple 13,006 Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 31 minutes ago, iamlost481516 said: Ya know I was raped. There is technically zero proof. I dunno how exactly I would prove it anyways Guess you don't know how it feels "till it happens to you". Actually there is usually proof because rape is brutal so there are usually signs.. Btw the fact that you were raped doesn't mean that every person that says that he was,says the truth.And actually Kesha DOES have other reasons to say that too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry 26,836 Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 Just now, Yaxley said: Okay your entire post wound up just low key insulting me. When people have discussions , especially in written form, they tend to summarize and state things as a whole in order to make the post flow better. These random ad hominem attacks on me by you are not very veiled. I will gracefully exit this discussion with you since 1) I am not the idiot you try to make others out to be, and had thoroughly read all of your posts while generously trying to have a nice conversation , and 2) I do not feel the need to have you insult me further, which I feel is a distraction due to your not liking my viewpoint, which actually is a neutral viewpoint and nothing to be upset over. I have already stated everything there is to say , and I certainly do not wish to state them again in a different format as you appear to take that as a personal insult. Well this does seem like a bit of a cop out to me, but if you're being serious and actually think I was trying to be insulting then I apologise because that wasn't my intention. I know I come across stern sometimes but if I felt the need to insult someone (which I rarely do), I'd be far more blunt about it. I think you're overreacting, but I do apologise. Take it or leave it as you will. I don't think you're an idiot, I respect your viewpoint and I'm not upset nor insulted by this exchange. I do, however, find it annoying when I have to repeat myself multiple times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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