"Black History Month shouldn't exist" - Black Actress Stacey Dash

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On January 25, 2016 at 0:23 AM, Hexxx said:

i disagree with her because if it wasn't a month of black history, then black children wouldn't know of their history. let's be real, are they really going to start putting black history books in schools and air classic black movies and documentaries on black heroes and discrimination of the black race? especially in the time we live in now where black minorities are shot and beaten for NOTHING!

Because it is super useful to know that they were once slaves and treated like ****, so they can grow up having incomformities and therefore always being victimized.

 

pd. I hate history in general.

[StrawberryBlond 15,226]

Just now, VampireHeart said:

@StrawberryBlond I'm sorry, after reading your first paragraph, I can't help but think of all the crimes of British Empire in Indian subcontinent (among other places)

http://listverse.com/2014/02/04/10-evil-crimes-of-the-british-empire/

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/apr/23/british-empire-crimes-ignore-atrocities

http://m.timesofindia.com/world/uk/Britain-burnt-embarrassing-documents-of-colonial-crimes/articleshow/26591747.cms

 

So it's pretty ironic thing to say

"Whites wouldn't be allowed to move to the Middle East and start flouting laws in the strictest of areas or cordoning off areas and making clear no Muslims should enter.So, why should Muslims come over here and do it to us? They have every right to move here but they must abide by our laws and integrate."

 

I mean, these things were not so long ago, some of those people might still be alive. So we actually have the example from the past about the (British) whites' behaviour in the non-white areas of the world.

Not to mention the British involvement in Israel-Palestine conflict, drawing the borders in ME, creating recent wars in Iraq and Syria, still bombing the area and at the same time creating bigger refugee crisis.

 

Yes, I do know that stuff (I did study history at school, sociology at university and I have a degree in religious studies, one of which is Hinduism). Those atrocities were back then. Different times. Of course the whites have done some awful things and those things should never be repeated. But times are different now. We can't do these things anymore and we shouldn't. It's the generally accepted wisdom nowadays that it isn't right to walk into someone's country and demand they change for you or attempt to erase their culture in place of yours. However, it only seems to be seen as a real crime when whites do it. Other races can do this without much being said. Why? I've always disapproved of how so many British people move permanently to France or Spain, don't learn the language, don't make any local friends, don't get a job in local businesses and make no attempt to integrate. The locals don't like it, the British also don't like it because it paints us in a negative light. Yet, Muslims can come to Britain, never learn the language, don't make local friends, don't join British businesses and don't integrate...and we're not allowed to say a word about it. Don't you think that's unfair? Society wasn't designed to be segregated, it was designed for togetherness.

And yes, white countries are fighting wars with other countries but they didn't neccesarily do it because they wanted to, but because there was no other option. And it's not like all the whites agree with these actions. For years, the rest of Europe have been very nasty towards the UK because of our involvement with the Iraq war. That was a decision made by our prime minister, not us. Opinion polls show that almost all of the public were against it but our government went ahead with it anyway. And our whole nation's being judged because of an action by the 0.01% in government.

Just now, VampireHeart said:

Also you're talking about second and/or third generation of Brits with South-Asian origin, they were also born and raised in Britain and it's their country too, despite of different religion or race. You have that "us" vs. "them" mentality, and that also contributes to lack of understanding on both sides. 

Btw I wasn't talking about the man from the article when I mentioned person who labels middle-easterners as sex offenders, I was talking about the person you quoted earlier in this thread, but nevermind.

I'm less concerned about the ones who were born and raised here as they tend to be more adaptable (though that's still no excuse for not integrating) but I have a problem with grown adults who are set in their ways coming to our country with no intention of becoming a proper citizen by integrating and who want welfare without working hard for it. I don't have a problem with refugees coming over as they have no other choice, but if someone is coming over here out of choice and intends to stay here permanently, they must adapt to our ways. It is possible to become a citizen of a new country but still keep your culture alive. I don't have an us vs. them mentality, quite the opposite. I want us to live shoulder to shoulder in peace and solidarity, understanding one another.

Just now, ARTPOPdidntflop said:

do you have a life outside of writing extremely long essays instead  of replying normally? like who has  time for this lmao  

 

I want to explain myself and the only way to do that is to write at length. I don't know why I bother wasting my time as you never listen anyway. Why do you expect people to listen to your point of view if you won't even listen to theirs? I make so many great points and you never read them because you want to remain locked in ignorance and intolerance.

Are you denying that there is black on white hate crime occuring? Statistics show that most murder victims are killed by people of their own race contrary to what we're always being told about whites killing everyone. Are you denying that there is serious anti white sentiment brewing within people to the point where some are seriously considering a genocide of whites? Look at this video and listen to what the audience is applauding:

 

 

[Knife 6,994]

 

Ruthless and truthful.

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6 minutes ago, Knife said:

 

Ruthless and truthful.

 

omg she's 43?!

Amazing.  

[pachinko 10,645]

On 1/21/2016 at 6:23 PM, StrawberryBlond said:

The problem is clear. A lot of us are insecure, so like to think up reasons why we're not good enough and when you're not white, well...it's just too easy to blame it on that. But that's far too simplistic. When a white person fails to get recognition, they beat themselves up over it. We tell ourselves that we're not smart enough, not talented enough, don't have enough qualifications. And some of those things might be true, so we work on changing them, getting better. But when a black person fails to get recognition, they have a tendency to blame it on racism holding them back, there can be no other reason. If you believe this, you're either massively insecure or you're far too arrogant. If you seriously believe the only reason anyone could dislike you is because they're racist then...it's time for some soul searching. If you can't come up with undisputed evidence and spout nothing but speculation, you can't go about crying wolf whenever you feel like it. One of the many downsides that racism has brought is making certain people within minority groups have (ironically) superiority complexes. They love any excuse to trash a white person, even if it's for no good reason. They think you can't be racist to whites. They think every job they've ever been refused, the reason behind their poor lifestyle, etc. is all down to white discrimination. They think racists are the only people who could possibly dislike them. Well, with someone like this, it's not easy to work out why they're disliked.

Stacey is being completely right - there should be no picking and choosing when it comes to equality. You either want to be equal or you want special treatment for being oppressed. Equality doesn't mean your life will be perfect, it means you'll be held to the same standards as the most powerful group. When the Oscar nominations come out and there's no blacks nominated, you can't complain anymore, because everyone's equal now, therefore, it was just one of those things. I say the same thing when feminists seem to think gender equality will mean women will have perfect lives. No, it means we'll be held to the same standards as men, and that's when we're going to find out how tough men can have it and how sexism works both ways. Basically, if we're all held to the same standards, there'll be less need to cry "discrimination!" unless you have credible evidence. It all comes back to what I was saying yesterday - I swear some people just like being oppressed. They want to stay that way. Because it means they feel special. It means they can sit around complaining and not try to make a change. It means they can blame everyone except themselves.

Complaining because you didn't get an Oscar nomination really is the definition of first world problems no matter what race you are. There's millions of people all over the world who wish this was at the top of their complaints list. White privilege my ass - if no Oscar nomination is your biggest complaint, I think you have plenty of privilege, even if it's not white. Working hard and not getting recognition for it...we've all been there. It's called LIFE.

You are awesome! Thank you for sharing. You are a life genius.  

[StrawberryBlond 15,226]

1 hour ago, Knife said:

 

Ruthless and truthful.

Yes, awards celebrating individual genres and people are there for a good reason, but it's not necessarily because people feel underrepresented. It's because it gives people more opportunities to win in general. If you can't win an Oscar, there's always the Golden Globes. If you can't win there, there's also the Satellite Awards, Screen Actor's Guild Awards. Then there's fun viewer voted stuff like People's Choice Awards and Teen Choice Awards. And then there's also international awards. It means that if you're never going to be a major contender, you can at least get a chance in more lenient awards. And whittling it down to genre is yet another way to win more, especially if you're in a niche genre that doesn't appeal to everyone, like horror. The same applies for music. If you don't win a Grammy for your pop music, there's still AMA awards, MTV awards, MTV Europe awards, BRIT awards, Teen Choice Awards, etc. Let's not pretend that all these ceremonies weren't dreamed up purely for vanity reasons and to make lesser talented people win something to make them look more successful. Talking about the BET Awards specifically, these are about getting black people awards, not so much focusing on the music. If it was about the music, why can't the title refer to traditional black genres and not make it sound so exclusively racial? In the UK, we have the MOBO awards - Music Of Black Origin. This makes it clearer that whites can win and that the ceremony is about celebrating forms of traditional black music, nothing to do with the race of the nominees. But calling your awards Black Entertainment suggests it's about race more than it is the music. That's what rubs us the wrong way.

Stacey was arguing something a bit different - she was saying that race-centered awards encourage segregation due to race. That's completely different to celebrating different genres. That's all very well, but separating it based on race, not the art, is problematic. When you start separating art by race, gender, etc. you're on a slipperly slope. You're essentially saying that art differs in quality based on trivial factors that have nothing to do with talent.

1 minute ago, pachinko said:

You are awesome! Thank you for sharing. You are a life genius.  

Thanks. I'm getting a lot of criticism for it but I'm glad that some people do see the good intentions. Through a lot of my arguments, I'm trying to make people see that some issues, which we think are solely minority issues, actually affect whites too. That whites have been oppressed too (yes, sometimes for their race). That focusing too much on one race means you lose sight of issues other races suffer. Ultimately, I want people to realise that equality doesn't mean "I will always get my own way." It means you'll be held to the same standards, which means you won't always get your own way. People need to realise this or no change is going to occur, and if it does, people are going to be up in arms demanding to know why their lives haven't improved. Even when you're the dominant group, you'll still have knockbacks, failures, it's part of life. Buddhism states that all life is suffering. The world is currently suffering from a severe case of living. It's not always someone else's fault. Sometimes we have to look to ourselves to work out how to improve our lives and admit that we'll sometimes fail because that's the way things are, it's not always because of incompetant police forces or corrupt cooporations and government.

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10 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said:

Yes, I do know that stuff (I did study history at school, sociology at university and I have a degree in religious studies, one of which is Hinduism). Those atrocities were back then. Different times. Of course the whites have done some awful things and those things should never be repeated. But times are different now. We can't do these things anymore and we shouldn't. It's the generally accepted wisdom nowadays that it isn't right to walk into someone's country and demand they change for you or attempt to erase their culture in place of yours. However, it only seems to be seen as a real crime when whites do it. Other races can do this without much being said. Why? I've always disapproved of how so many British people move permanently to France or Spain, don't learn the language, don't make any local friends, don't get a job in local businesses and make no attempt to integrate. The locals don't like it, the British also don't like it because it paints us in a negative light. Yet, Muslims can come to Britain, never learn the language, don't make local friends, don't join British businesses and don't integrate...and we're not allowed to say a word about it. Don't you think that's unfair? Society wasn't designed to be segregated, it was designed for togetherness.

And yes, white countries are fighting wars with other countries but they didn't neccesarily do it because they wanted to, but because there was no other option. And it's not like all the whites agree with these actions. For years, the rest of Europe have been very nasty towards the UK because of our involvement with the Iraq war. That was a decision made by our prime minister, not us. Opinion polls show that almost all of the public were against it but our government went ahead with it anyway. And our whole nation's being judged because of an action by the 0.01% in government.

I'm less concerned about the ones who were born and raised here as they tend to be more adaptable (though that's still no excuse for not integrating) but I have a problem with grown adults who are set in their ways coming to our country with no intention of becoming a proper citizen by integrating and who want welfare without working hard for it. I don't have a problem with refugees coming over as they have no other choice, but if someone is coming over here out of choice and intends to stay here permanently, they must adapt to our ways. It is possible to become a citizen of a new country but still keep your culture alive. I don't have an us vs. them mentality, quite the opposite. I want us to live shoulder to shoulder in peace and solidarity, understanding one another.

I want to explain myself and the only way to do that is to write at length. I don't know why I bother wasting my time as you never listen anyway. Why do you expect people to listen to your point of view if you won't even listen to theirs? I make so many great points and you never read them because you want to remain locked in ignorance and intolerance.

Are you denying that there is black on white hate crime occuring? Statistics show that most murder victims are killed by people of their own race contrary to what we're always being told about whites killing everyone. Are you denying that there is serious anti white sentiment brewing within people to the point where some are seriously considering a genocide of whites? Look at this video and listen to what the audience is applauding:

 

 

I ignore most of your posts because 99% of the time you're clouded in delusion. You think everything you do is great lol. 

You read like how I imagine you irl. The white girl studying sociology while belly dancing trope fits you 

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I hate this forum. Some of you are so dimwitted and stupid.

I genuinely feel bad for those people agreeing with her. They think their intentions are good, but you're so ****ing ignorant.

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All this debate makes me rethink about movies from last year Oscars. Even if it didnt get major recognition from most of the important award shows, Selma scored a nomination for best picture that made me watch it. It was just a mediocre movie and the weakest from the nominations. I didnt pay too much attention to it at the moment, but now I understand why it was nominated and this is wrong.

Im sure that are many black artists that can do major works if they would have funds. Hollywood should look into it, especially privillege actors producers like Will Smith. But until they create those amazing movies, please dont nominate mediocre works just because of the race of the artists.

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3 hours ago, UmbriaWitch said:

I hate this forum. Some of you are so dimwitted and stupid.

I genuinely feel bad for those people agreeing with her. They think their intentions are good, but you're so ****ing ignorant.

How? She is completely right.

All poc (not just black people) should be recognised for their abilities in the same awards ceremonies in my opinion, the people who decide who wins should be diverse and from different backgrounds, races, etc in order to ensure that no discrmination happens...

I think we should be moving towards a more unified society, and I do believe it is possible with time and a LOT of effort and struggle, poc-spefic awards don't really help with that, it has good intentions but still keeps that barrier between white people and poc, it isn't a harmful barrier, it does in ways empower poc, but it still keeps the ideology of a barrier. Every time people bring up this argument u just get the whole "white people tears" **** back at you, but it's really true in my opinion.

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13 hours ago, ARTPOPdidntflop said:

I ignore most of your posts because 99% of the time you're clouded in delusion. You think everything you do is great lol. 

You read like how I imagine you irl. The white girl studying sociology while belly dancing trope fits you 

I don't think everything I do is great. I'm not pretending like I know all the answers. I just offer up potential solutions and pick up on issues that we might not have noticed before or try to see a new outlook on something. It's common to be called delusional when you dare to say something different. But it's coming up with new views that can bring about change. I don't think racism's going to end if we can't be realistic about the realities of it.

Well, that's very offensive. You stereotyping me as a white person is just as bad of me stereotyping any minority. I'm not the stereotype that she seem to think I am. You really have no idea of any of my interests or what moves me. It's ironic that you seem to think I'm so ignorant when something that's almost guranteed to make me cry every time are accounts of racial struggles. Any sort of story about anyone being discriminated against but not losing their strength always inspires me. It's funny that you bring up the bellydancing thing because last night, all this talk about race reminded me about a white South African girl in my bellydance class whose parents had to leave SA last year because the situation is getting too dangerous for white people over there, what with all these murders of white farmers and whites being forced to live in all-white squatter camps. If that's not an example about a serious case of white racism, I don't know what is.

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On 1/26/2016 at 3:07 AM, Brodinsky said:

Because it is super useful to know that they were once slaves and treated like ****, so they can grow up having incomformities and therefore always being victimized.

 

pd. I hate history in general.

 

On 1/26/2016 at 3:07 AM, Brodinsky said:

Because it is super useful to know that they were once slaves and treated like ****, so they can grow up having incomformities and therefore always being victimized.

 

pd. I hate history in general.

There is more to black history than slavery boo.

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21 hours ago, mgreg said:

How? She is completely right.

All poc (not just black people) should be recognised for their abilities in the same awards ceremonies in my opinion, the people who decide who wins should be diverse and from different backgrounds, races, etc in order to ensure that no discrmination happens...

I think we should be moving towards a more unified society, and I do believe it is possible with time and a LOT of effort and struggle, poc-spefic awards don't really help with that, it has good intentions but still keeps that barrier between white people and poc, it isn't a harmful barrier, it does in ways empower poc, but it still keeps the ideology of a barrier. Every time people bring up this argument u just get the whole "white people tears" **** back at you, but it's really true in my opinion.

I was referring primarily to people say Black history month shouldn't exist.

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She's right, but people disagree with her to be fashionable.

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9 minutes ago, christinahoney said:

She's right, but people disagree with her to be fashionable.

shes not right. anyone who agrees with her is a full fledged *****