Bebe 17,130 Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Let me just preface this thread by stating that I'm not trying to argue that Gaga is ineligible for the Oscar or even that she doesn't deserve the credit and although Linda re-provoked my curiosity last night, my thoughts on this started before that whole incident. So, when TIHTY was originally released, I was surprised to see Gaga credited as the main writer. I assumed that she would have had credit as a co-writer at most, but she was credited before Diane. Gaga has been very open about the fact that "It was already kinda a finished piece when I came in to work on it with Diane" so I'm wondering why it wasn't Diane who was given the title of main writer. Just to reiterate as the sole-producer and as a co-writer Gaga would still have been eligible for the Oscar so this really isn't me trying to discredit Gaga or make out that she doesn't deserve an Oscar, it's literally just me wondering how the credits are worked out. I have heard some people say it's for "promo" but the idea they exaggerated the credits just doesn't seem to fit for me, especially considering that Diane doesn't generally co-write with anybody and it's such a personal song. Diane is constantly nominated for Oscars, so I would have actually assumed their chances would be better if Diane was named the primary writer. It makes more sense to me that this would be a situation like Elton John/Bernie Taupin, Bernie has written the lyrics to basically all of Elton's songs. Elton then gets the lyrics written on bits of paper, sits at his piano and creates the melody and everything for the song. Elton is credited as the main songwriter while Bernie is credited as co-writer as all he contributed was the lyrics. If Gaga did make a lot of changes to the melody and chord progression then that would explain why she is credited as the main writer rather than co-writer. Honestly though, I really don't know piss about songwriting. The above hypothesis makes sense to me right now, but i'm really just drawing from the very little I know about songwriting in order to work it out. If there are people here that know a little more about music and songwriting and can provide their own theories as to why Gaga is credited as the main writer that would be very helpful and interesting Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle 345 Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 You're looking at Wikipedia. It's not like it's official. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LebaneseDude 6,146 Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Wikipedia is an unofficial site. The order is irrelevant. Edited just now by LebaneseDude. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SissyFromSpace 20,884 Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 because she is Barbie elitist - Weaboo - Sissy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mobster 14,604 Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 1 minute ago, Kyle said: You're looking at Wikipedia. It's not like it's official. But the Grammy nomination says the same: Gaga & Diane But I'm only a man and I do what I can. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
REALITY 77,773 Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Someone's name had to be first. 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔪𝔲𝔰𝔦𝔠'𝔰 𝔤𝔬𝔫𝔫𝔞 𝔟𝔯𝔦𝔫𝔤 𝔪𝔢 𝔟𝔞𝔠𝔨 𝔣𝔯𝔬𝔪 𝔡𝔢𝔞𝔱𝔥 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle 345 Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Just now, Mobster said: But the Grammy nomination says the same: Gaga & Diane Oh that's dumb then. Clearly they are using wikipedia as a source! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bebe 17,130 Posted January 19, 2016 Author Share Posted January 19, 2016 Just now, M Monstre said: Someone's name had to be first. Yeah but in my experience, the names are usually in order of who contributed the most to who contributed the least. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mobster 14,604 Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Just now, Kyle said: Oh that's dumb then. Clearly they are using wikipedia as a source! I highly doubt it. But who knows The whole situation is very strange But I'm only a man and I do what I can. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LebaneseDude 6,146 Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Just now, Mobster said: But the Grammy nomination says the same: Gaga & Diane The same logic can be applied. Probably an intern. :P Edited just now by LebaneseDude. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle 345 Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Just now, Mobster said: I highly doubt it. But who knows The whole situation is very strange No honestly that's probably the exact issue here. If it was from Gaga's/Diane's camp, it would have the correct order. Unless, most of the songwriting credit is given to Gaga for doing the arrangement/melody/production. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bebe 17,130 Posted January 19, 2016 Author Share Posted January 19, 2016 It also seems to be ASCAP who credit Gaga first, but it might be alphabetical in this case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy232000 12,492 Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 i saw other pages where she was second after diane i guess they just write it randomly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy232000 12,492 Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 at this point is useless to keep the subject open anyway Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mobster 14,604 Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 3 minutes ago, Kyle said: No honestly that's probably the exact issue here. If it was from Gaga's/Diane's camp, it would have the correct order. Unless, most of the songwriting credit is given to Gaga for doing the arrangement/melody/production. 4 minutes ago, LebaneseDude said: The same logic can be applied. Probably an intern. :P Wouldn't Diane have complained at some point? Every source says Gaga is the main writer But I'm only a man and I do what I can. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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