SICK and TIRED of all of these Gaga hate threads

[Psychedelic 1,098]

I agree with you, Gaga is entitled to doing whatever she wants with her life and career, I'm sick of all these little managers too. Although I wouldn't use the word 'hate' in the same context, like you did. They are just expressing their opinions, some might have been die-hard fans who have felt very frustrated with Gagas' commercial underperfomance in the last couple of years, and that's the outlet they use for their frustrations to be released.

I'm not justifying them or saying that their attitude isn't negative, I think they should calm down, let go and go with the flow of Gaga's artistic expression. However, I do believe a lot of them have done that already. Like some people said already, this situation was 100x worse 1 year ago or so. So just don't pay much attention to it, and go with the flow too.

As for 'hating', @jjang already implied what/who a real hater is! 

So, when you see someone in this site calling Gaga 'disgusting' 'evil b---h' 'old hag' or such... then feel unconfortable and jaded!

[Bye 3,947]

I agree with you, Gaga is entitled to doing whatever she wants with her life and career, I'm sick of all these little managers too. Although I wouldn't use the word 'hate' in the same context, like you did. They are just expressing their opinions, some might have been die-hard fans who have felt very frustrated with Gagas' commercial underperfomance in the last couple of years, and that's the outlet they use for their frustrations to be released.

I'm not justifying them or saying that their attitude isn't negative, I think they should calm down, let go and go with the flow of Gaga's artistic expression. However, I do believe a lot of them have done that already. Like some people said already, this situation was 100x worse 1 year ago or so. So just don't pay much attention to it, and go with the flow too.

As for 'hating', @jjang already implied what/who a real hater is! 

So, when you see someone in this site calling Gaga 'disgusting' 'evil b---h' 'old hag' or such... then feel unconfortable and jaded!

I agree with what you said but constantly seeing negative opinions on Gaga by the same members does get super annoying on her own fansite. I got warned once just for posting this: :reductive: in a thread of another popstar. Apparently that's considered worse on this site by the mods but a carefully worded opinion discrediting Gaga is just fine  

[Whispering 18,865]

I agree with what you said but constantly seeing negative opinions on Gaga by the same members does get super annoying on her own fansite. I got warned once just for posting this: :reductive: in a thread of another popstar. Apparently that's considered worse on this site by the mods but a carefully worded opinion discrediting Gaga is just fine  

This! When a simple one word comment or a giggling emoticon in threads of other artists get WPs, then that sets the standard. These "carefully worded opinions" that call Gaga titles such as fake, liar, hypocrite, lazy, careless, etc. are looked at as "opinions". Opinions that some people are posting everyday... week after week, month after month. Why isn't this constant negativity towards Gaga on her own fanforum considered flamebait, when such minor comments are considered Flamebait when they are directed towards other artists? 

This is the source of some of the confusion! 

[Bye 3,947]

This! When a simple one word comment or a giggling emoticon in threads of other artists get WPs, then that sets the standard. These "carefully worded opinions" that call Gaga titles such as fake, liar, hypocrite, lazy, careless, etc. are looked at as "opinions". Opinions that some people are posting everyday... Week after week, month after month. Why isn't this constant negativity towards Gaga on her own fanforum considered flamebait, when such minor comments are considered Flamebait when they are directed towards other artists? 

I don't know, maybe the mods can clarify this a bit though I'm almost sure I won't like the answer. Truth is, I don't come to GGD to see negativity surrounding Gaga, that just sucks out all the fun out of this place.

[PUKKIE 457]

DRAAAAAAAAAG THEM ...... I COMPLETELY AGREE...

[Jjang 2,262]

I agree with what you said but constantly seeing negative opinions on Gaga by the same members does get super annoying on her own fansite. I got warned once just for posting this: :reductive: in a thread of another popstar. Apparently that's considered worse on this site by the mods but a carefully worded opinion discrediting Gaga is just fine  

That is simply untrue. 

It's just that you guys would much rather focus on the negative comments and ignore every positive comment made by these members. Didy, Yanko and I are the most well known targets in terms of being accused of what you're implying, yet we all praise her on different occasions and we all share positive views of her when we feel the need to. That's just our nature, and that applies to all of our favorite artists, including Madonna. I dare you to find one positive comment that me or Didy made about Rebel Heart, we've said nothing but horrible things about that album yet the Madonna fans around here don't seem to cry about it in the Madonna thread or when we're broadcasting these views in chat. 

*waits for the but it's a Gaga forum!! Comment.*

[Bebe 17,130]

I agree with what you said but constantly seeing negative opinions on Gaga by the same members does get super annoying on her own fansite. I got warned once just for posting this: :reductive: in a thread of another popstar. Apparently that's considered worse on this site by the mods but a carefully worded opinion discrediting Gaga is just fine  

This! When a simple one word comment or a giggling emoticon in threads of other artists get WPs, then that sets the standard. These "carefully worded opinions" that call Gaga titles such as fake, liar, hypocrite, lazy, careless, etc. are looked at as "opinions". Opinions that some people are posting everyday... Week after week, month after month. Why isn't this constant negativity towards Gaga on her own fanforum considered flamebait, when such minor comments are considered Flamebait when they are directed towards other artists? 

 

 

It isn't a scale

Pointless posts get warned because they don't add to conversation. We don't like to see threads filled with nothing but emojis and sassy gifs, it can be hard to interpret at times and people get offended because they misunderstand what users mean by the emoji. We also don't like users spamming gifs and emojis in threads just to raise their post count or likes.

It's a completely separate issue from flamebait. In the same way that duplicate accounts are a separate issue.

With flamebait we do often hand out a "combo" warning if we notice a pattern of behaviour. If a user is literally only going into threads saying.

"I hate this look on Gaga, it's ugly"
"ARTPOP just isn't a good album"
"AHS is an awful show, it's embarrassing Gaga is going to be on it"
"Gaga can't dance"
"Cheek to Cheek is boring, what has Gaga become?"

Then we can see that the user doesn't like Gaga and is coming here to discredit her. A user with a balance of good and bad opinions is fine though.

In other cases a user that might dislike ARTPOP, for example, might be noticed more because it's her most recent album and it's her album that's most frequently discussed, but we can't really give out warnings to members with a negative opinion of one album.

So if there are multiple threads on ARTPOP every week (It's died down a little now, but there are still more threads made on ARTPOP than any other album cause it's her most recent, even discussion of LG5 often invokes discussion of ARTPOP and what people would like to see different) a user that dislikes ARTPOP is likely to give their opinion.

As for us letting negative opinions on other artists slide while allowing those things to be said about Gaga, that's just not true at all. You can say Gaga seems hypocritical for telling Ellen she wouldn't wear fur and then wearing fur. You can say Taylor seems hypocritical for streaming her songs for free on Youtube while criticising Spotify (I'm not endorsing any view on either of these issues, they are just examples). The only reason you would think that is because we are on a Gaga fansite, there are more opinions on Gaga in general than any other artist. Both positive and negative.

You can't really comment on what we do and don't warn because you can't see what users are warned for... 

It's about the way you express your opinions, it's about respecting opinions you might not agree with and it's about allowing unpopular and negative opinions. If we started warning every negative opinion around here everyone would complain we are too harsh.

As mods we try to navigate the line between posts that are flamebait, personal insults or derogatory remarks and posts that are unpopular or negative opinions. I think we are very consistent on the way we moderate, but also recognise that there are hundreds of users posting multiple times all the time. We can't be expected to keep track of every user and look through every post for patterns on who is solely here to discredit Gaga.

There are users here that have some unpopular opinions on Gaga and her music, but they are legitimate fans who appreciate other aspects of her. We can't ban them because they hold an unpopular view within the fanbase, we can only warn if they express those opinions in a way that's rude and flamebait.

[Jjang 2,262]

 

 

It isn't a scale

Pointless posts get warned because they don't add to conversation. We don't like to see threads filled with nothing but emojis and sassy gifs, it can be hard to interpret at times and people get offended because they misunderstand what users mean by the emoji. We also don't like users spamming gifs and emojis in threads just to raise their post count or likes.

It's a completely separate issue from flamebait. In the same way that duplicate accounts are a separate issue.

With flamebait we do often hand out a "combo" warning if we notice a pattern of behaviour. If a user is literally only going into threads saying.

"I hate this look on Gaga, it's ugly"
"ARTPOP just isn't a good album"
"AHS is an awful show, it's embarrassing Gaga is going to be on it"
"Gaga can't dance"
"Cheek to Cheek is boring, what has Gaga become?"

Then we can see that the user doesn't like Gaga and is coming here to discredit her. A user with a balance of good and bad opinions is fine though.

In other cases a user that might dislike ARTPOP, for example, might be noticed more because it's her most recent album and it's her album that's most frequently discussed, but we can't really give out warnings to members with a negative opinion of one album.

So if there are multiple threads on ARTPOP every week (It's died down a little now, but there are still more threads made on ARTPOP than any other album cause it's her most recent, even discussion of LG5 often invokes discussion of ARTPOP and what people would like to see different) a user that dislikes ARTPOP is likely to give their opinion.

As for us letting negative opinions on other artists slide while allowing those things to be said about Gaga, that's just not true at all. You can say Gaga seems hypocritical for telling Ellen she wouldn't wear fur and then wearing fur. You can say Taylor seems hypocritical for streaming her songs for free on Youtube while criticising Spotify (I'm not endorsing any view on either of these issues, they are just examples). The only reason you would think that is because we are on a Gaga fansite, there are more opinions on Gaga in general than any other artist. Both positive and negative.

You can't really comment on what we do and don't warn because you can't see what users are warned for... 

It's about the way you express your opinions, it's about respecting opinions you might not agree with and it's about allowing unpopular and negative opinions. If we started warning every negative opinion around here everyone would complain we are too harsh.

As mods we try to navigate the line between posts that are flamebait, personal insults or derogatory remarks and posts that are unpopular or negative opinions. I think we are very consistent on the way we moderate, but also recognise that there are hundreds of users posting multiple times all the time. We can't be expected to keep track of every user and look through every post for patterns on who is solely here to discredit Gaga.

There are users here that have some unpopular opinions on Gaga and her music, but they are legitimate fans who appreciate other aspects of her. We can't ban them because they hold an unpopular view within the fanbase, we can only warn if they express those opinions in a way that's rude and flamebait.

Thank you!  

[Whispering 18,865]

 

 

It isn't a scale 

Pointless posts get warned because they don't add to conversation. We don't like to see threads filled with nothing but emojis and sassy gifs, it can be hard to interpret at times and people get offended because they misunderstand what users mean by the emoji. We also don't like users spamming gifs and emojis in threads just to raise their post count or likes.

It's a completely separate issue from flamebait. 

I wasn't referring to a comment with just a emoji or just a gif. 

But since we are on the subject, is posting just a emoji or just a gif considered to be warnable? Because people do that all the time here! If that is warnable, then we've got a whole lot of people here who need to know this rule! 

(I'll comment on the rest in parts...trying not to take up the whole page here with one post!)

[Whispering 18,865]

@Bebe. 

Comment on the rest: There are those members here that are constantly negative towards Gaga. People here aren't imagining this situation that they are referring to in this thread. There are too many people saying this is a problem here, members who are stating these feelings in a logical and calm matter (not calling people b---hes and telling them to stfu or calling them out by name...like we've seen today from some members) for this not to be a problem. If these people that are being referred to were getting warned for their constant negativity, they would either have curtailed their constant negativity by now due to being warned or they would be banned. When there is no evidence of either, then people have grown tired of seeing the same people post the same type of comments. That's a natural thought process and one that many, many have expressed in this thread and in other threads of this nature. 

[Bebe 17,130]

I wasn't referring to a comment with just a emoji or just a gif. 

But since we are on the subject, is posting just a emoji or just a gif considered to be warnable? Because people do that all the time here! If that is warnable, then we've got a whole lot of people here who need to know this rule! 

(I'll comment on the rest in parts...trying not to take up the whole page here with one post!)

Well it also applies to one word comments. Someone writing "cool" isn't really adding to any conversation, again it's about encouraging posts that create conversation while discouraging posts that are made to make OP feel bad or inflate their post count/likes.

We might let it go in certain scenarios. If somebody quotes someone with an emotion like this: then it could just be indicative that they really agree with the post. 

If that person is only replying to comments with one emoji then they will probably get warned.

If there is a livestream of Gaga performing and someone posts one gif of people standing up and applauding then we would probably let that go too. It's during a live performance and is just a quick way of expressing admiration. 

But when somebody writes an entire page in OP discussing something and a user tries to discredit the entire thread by just posting   or if a user goes into a thread full of discussion just to post "free post" then they are probably going to be warned.

A lot of it is to do with habitual posting and whether it's just written to be rude or to inflate post counts. The occasional "pointless post" may very well slide, but if it's habitual then it becomes a problem.

This place really isn't the area to discuss moderation, I was just trying to clarify what users where saying in this thread but you are more than welcome to drop me a PM or make a thread in the support section if you want to clarify some moderating rules.

[Bye 3,947]

That is simply untrue. 

It's just that you guys would much rather focus on the negative comments and ignore every positive comment made by these members. Didy, Yanko and I are the most well known targets in terms of being accused of what you're implying, yet we all praise her on different occasions and we all share positive views of her when we feel the need to. That's just our nature, and that applies to all of our favorite artists, including Madonna. I dare you to find one positive comment that me or Didy made about Rebel Heart, we've said nothing but horrible things about that album yet the Madonna fans around here don't seem to cry about it in the Madonna thread or when we're broadcasting these views in chat. 

*waits for the but it's a Gaga forum!! Comment.*

Actually I am not referring to Yanko, he's really balanced in my opinion, something I don't find in you. For example, we've had many critics praising Gaga for bringing dance music back with a bang yet you constantly feel the need to discredit her whenever it's brought up. It's pointless and annoying, in my opinion. And I actually like a couple songs off Rebel Heart myself (shame on me, I know) even though i basically dislike Madonna as an artist and person. It's true that you can have an opinion that is favourable towards Gaga but come on, you must understand most of us here are huge fans, it is her fansite after all. So yeah, the but it's a Gaga forum comment is actually very valid.

 

 

 

 

Thanks for taking the time to respond. Pointless gifs are abundant on this forum so that is not the reason why the post I mentioned was warned. It was because it was in a Katy Perry thread about her being the face of H&M for their holiday campaign. Basically, it was a joke but apparently to the mod it was flame bait.

And in no means am I saying ban them but for god's sake don't punish other members who are just having a bit of fun posting a useless gif in a forum teeming with pop culture. It is clear mods enjoy the opinions even of those who are critical (overly critical I would say) and yes, I do enjoy a healthy debate now and again, but you can't deny that sometimes these opinions are constant and from the same members. Again, it's annoying and not enjoyable at all.

Edit: just saw your response to Whispering, I agree we might be getting off-topic  but it's good that I got to tell a mod how I see it  

[Whispering 18,865]

We might let it go in certain scenarios. If somebody quotes someone with an emotion like this: then it could just be indicative that they really agree with the post. 

But when somebody writes an entire page in OP discussing something and a user tries to discredit the entire thread by just posting   or if a user goes into a thread full of discussion just to post "free post" then they are probably going to be warned.

 

Isn't that what the like button is for? 

Hmmm, interesting. I see the same people do that all the time. So, that's a warnable offense, huh? 

Thanks for the information! 

[Jjang 2,262]

Actually I am not referring to Yanko, he's really balanced in my opinion, something I don't find in you. For example, we've had many critics praising Gaga for bringing dance music back with a bang yet you constantly feel the need to discredit her whenever it's brought up. It's pointless and annoying, in my opinion. And I actually like a couple songs off Rebel Heart myself (shame on me, I know) even though i basically dislike Madonna as an artist and person. It's true that you can have an opinion that is favourable towards Gaga but come on, you must understand most of us here are huge fans, it is her fansite after all. So yeah, the but it's a Gaga forum comment is actually very valid.

 

Thanks for taking the time to respond. Pointless gifs are abundant on this forum so that is not the reason why the post I mentioned was warned. It was because it was in a Katy Perry thread about her being the face of H&M for their holiday campaign. Basically, it was a joke but apparently to the mod it was flame bait.

And in no means am I saying ban them but for god's sake don't punish other members who are just having a bit of fun posting a useless gif in a forum teeming with pop culture. It is clear mods enjoy the opinions even of those who are critical (overly critical I would say) and yes, I do enjoy a healthy debate now and again, but you can't deny that sometimes these opinions are constant and from the same members. Again, it's annoying and not enjoyable at all.

Edit: just saw your response to Whispering, I agree we might be getting off-topic  but it's good that I got to tell a mod how I see it  

I didn't speak ignorance though, I had provided a rational & legitimate argument based on facts and logic. And I'd love to read those critics point of view, link me.

[Bebe 17,130]

Comment on the rest: There are those members here that are constantly negative towards Gaga. People here aren't imagining this situation they are referring to in this thread. There are too many people saying this is a problem here, members who are stating these feelings in a logical and calm matter (not calling people b---hes and telling them to stfu or calling them out by name...like we've seen today from some members) for this not to be a problem. If these people that are being referred to were getting warned for their constant negativity, they would either have curtailed their constant negativity by now due to being warned or they would be banned. When there is no evidence of either, then people are suspicious of what is going on. That's a natural thought process and one that many, many have expressed in this thread and in other threads of this nature. 

Again this is better elsewhere so I won't continue posting here after this, but since it's posted here:

I'm sure many people feel as if there are some users that have more frequent negative opinions. I'm not saying this situation is imagined at all, but I do think it's a little blown out of proportion. When you really look at threads and see all the users commenting about Gaga the overwhelming majority is positive, but someone posts something negative and they get quoted by 5 different members and then it can spiral into some huge disagreement with the focus on this one negative opinion.

I've had this happen to me. I remember posting something about how I was disappointed Gaga didn't audition for AHS but that I was excited and hoped she did well. Of course I got multiple people quote me to defend Gaga, which is completely fine but it goes to show how much people focus on the slightest negativity or the smallest thing they disagree with.

It's human nature, people focus on that sort of stuff. You don't often see people quoting people for multiple pages who they agree with. So the negative stuff becomes more apparent when there are multiple users quoting one negative opinion and other users defending that opinion.

We can't really do anything to stop people having negative opinions. There are always going to be negative opinions, they are always going to be blown up on some level and we can't rid the forum of opinions the majority doesn't agree with. You're always going to see differing opinions and that's just the nature of a forum.

Isn't that what the like button is for? 

Hmmm, interesting. I see the same people do that all the time. So, that's a warnable offense, huh? 

Thanks for the information! 

There are some users here that like posts, not necessarily that they agree with, but that they think are well thought out. A lot of it is to do with context. If someone runs out of likes or wants to express the fact that they really agree with a comment then fine we will probably let one comment like that slide.

If a user has spent an entire thread writing out thoughtful responses and ends up with one post in the thread where they post an emoji or gif to express what they are feeling then that might very well be let go as well.

If a user enters a threads and responds with "" to OP then it's likely to be deemed pointless. The only point it would have is basically to be shady to OP by implying their thread is stupid.
It's just a pointless comment that's not needed. If they explained what they thought was wrong with what OP wrote it would be fine.

I'm not suggesting you go around reporting every post that's an emoji, it's really about context and using common sense. 

Any other queries on moderation should really be addressed to the support section because I don't want to derail the discussion of this thread.