Gagaloo911 12,959 Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 By a 2-to-1 vote, a federal appeals court in Cincinnati upheld the right of states to ban same-s-x marriage, overturning lower-court decisions in Kentucky, Michigan, Ohio and Tennessee that had found such restrictions to be unconstitutional. The long-awaited decision, written by Judge Jeffrey S. Sutton, an appointee of President George W. Bush, was the first by an appeals court to uphold a ban on same-s-x marriage, contradicting rulings by four other federal circuit courts. The ruling appeared almost certain to force the Supreme Court to decide the same-s-x marriage issue for the nation. “This is the circuit split that will almost surely produce a decision from the Supreme Court, and sooner rather than later,†said Dale Carpenter, a professor of constitutional law at the University of Minnesota. “It’s entirely possible that we could have oral arguments in coming months and a Supreme Court decision by next summer.†In the decision, by a panel of the United States Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit, Judge Sutton said that it appears almost inevitable that American law will allow gay couples to marry, but the more fundamental question, he wrote, is “Who decides?†Judge Sutton said that such a profound change in the institution of marriage should be decided not by “an intermediate court†like his, but by “the less expedient, but usually reliable, work of the state democratic processes.†He dismissed the reasoning issued in the last year by several other federal courts, which have ruled that barring same-s-x marriage violated equal protection or due process clauses of the Constitution and have no rational basis. Michael C. Dorf, a constitutional expert at Cornell Law School, said that “the essence of this opinion is that the issue should be left to the democratic process or to the Supreme Court, but I’m not going to do this as an appeals court judge.†In a stinging dissent, Judge Martha Craig Daughtrey, an appointee of President Bill Clinton, called the majority opinion “a largely irrelevant discourse on democracy and federalism†that treated the couples involved as “mere abstractions†rather than real people suffering harm because they were denied equal status. Gay rights groups and lawyers for the plaintiffs in the four affected states criticized the ruling. “We’re extremely disappointed for the families in these four states, but this decision highlights the need for the U.S. Supreme Court to right this injustice,†said Susan Sommer, the director of constitutional litigation for Lambda Legal, which helped argue one of the six cases involved in Thursday’s decision. The Sixth Circuit decision was not a complete surprise; Judge Sutton had expressed similar concerns about federalism and reliance on the democratic process at the hearing on the cases in August. He was joined in the opinion by Judge Deborah L. Cook, another Bush appointee. Since then, the Supreme Court, by declining to hear appeals, has allowed rulings in favor of same-s-x marriage from four other circuit courts to take effect. The number of states with same-s-x marriage increased last month to 32, plus the District of Columbia, with shifts in three more states within those circuits all but certain. In declining to hear the appeals in October, justices did not rule on the merits of the cases. But by acquiescing in the court-mandated spread of same-s-x marriage to many states, justices effectively created a new social reality, making it extremely unlikely, many legal experts say, that the court would find such bans constitutional. “If the court reversed those decisions, it would create chaos,†Mr. Dorf said. “It would seem highly unlikely, but technically they can do it.†Evan Wolfson, president of the group Freedom to Marry, said: “Today’s ruling is completely out of step with the Supreme Court’s clear signal last month, out of step with the constitutional command as recognized by nearly every state and federal court in the past year, and out of step with the majority of the American people.†He called on the Supreme Court to take up the issue quickly and provide national resolution. But conservative opponents of same-s-x marriage, who see states-rights arguments as their last best hope in the courts, praised Thursday’s decision. “The people of every state should remain free to affirm marriage as the union of a man and a woman in their laws,†said Byron Babione, senior counsel with Alliance Defending Freedom, a Christian legal group that has argued several same-s-x marriage case. “As the Sixth Circuit rightly concluded, the Constitution does not demand that one irreversible view of marriage be judicially imposed on everyone.†Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/07/us/appeals-court-upholds-same-s-x-marriage-ban.html?ref=us The Supreme Court pretty much has to rule on marriage equality now, as a split in the circuit courts means the Supreme Court must decide for the entire country. Four other circuit courts have all overturned these bans, making this the first such one to uphold them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spyro 8,438 Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 wulp that was unexpected. Spyro the Dragon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gagaloo911 12,959 Posted November 6, 2014 Author Share Posted November 6, 2014 wulp that was unexpected. Not really. it's been long expected that the Sixth Circuit would rule in that way, as it happens to be the most conservative of the circuit courts. It's just now it's happened. But I'm actually glad, cause now the Supreme Court will have to take a marriage equality case and decide once and for all, which can only be a good thing since it's very unlikely they will uphold same-s-x marriage bans now that they've allowed so many same-s-x couples to get married as a result of their refusal to hear previous cases. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gagaloo911 12,959 Posted November 6, 2014 Author Share Posted November 6, 2014 Wait, If Same-Sex marriage becomes legal in the US does Puerto Rico count or...? I would say yes, as it is a U.S. territory so the laws in the U.S. would apply to its territories. I'm not entirely sure though, I could be wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunk96 2,526 Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 Ugh those poor states. But in those states,they're definitely the states that are not for gay rights,so it's not a surprise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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