chrismugler 944 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 I don't agree with you but I think your opinion is very important. The Little Monsters around the world have the right to enjoy a live show from Gaga without mixing internal political issues :) x B.B.A. / Music Lover / Human. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets Party 0 Posted February 24, 2014 Author Share Posted February 24, 2014 I already proved how flawed your logic is by choosing this decision for Gaga and you replied with the same answer that didn't prove me wrong. Israel is not a racist country, considering Arabs AND Jews AND Russians and other races live there, Jewish people often get more right cause they serve in the military, which by the way, Arabs can too + obtain the same rights afterwards. The whole Palestine situation is INDEED ****ed up, trust me I know and I don't support it and never had and never will, but this action of boycotting Israel because of it is unneeded and uncalled for and well, pointless. Again, going by the same logic and how AMERICA SUPPORTS and HELPS in this occupation (in Palestine) and seeing how America is treating middle eastern countries, then why shouldn't she boycott America too? it ONLY makes sense if you think about it in a technical way. Sorry If I came off as rude anyways, have a good day, I'm going to prepare for my day tomorrow. All you proved was you're in denial you are in regards to what gaga going to israel would mean. You say israel is not a racist country yet the majority of the world agrees it is engaging is apartheid against the Palestinians, how can you not be a racist country yet have been committing ethic cleansing against the Palestinians. I'm glad you personally don't support it, but your country does. You keep mentioning arabs in a broad term as though that proves how wonderful israel is, this is about the Palestinians and how they are treated. Lets just agree to disagree you think that by boycotting she will achieve nothing but disappointed fans, and i think that by boycotting she will show that she doesn't support apartheid and will take a stand for human rights first and foremost. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolev 866 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 My fear is tho, when is the painting done? When the Palestinians are gone from Israel? I know that the Palestinians have not exactly been angels either but you know what irks me, and that's just me personally. Whenever there's a rumble from the Palestinian side, Israel rolls out the tanks. Gaza is left with no fuel or electricity even with like 3 degrees Celcius. No heat, no running or clean water, sewage still running down the streets. If anything happens there, like the floodings not too long ago, in any other country emergency aid would be rushed in with rescue equipment and medical aid, Gaza gets close to non of that. Left there like rats in a trap. I understand it's a necessity to keep Israel stable as a force but the humanitarian in me cannot turn a blind eye on this. Unfortunately there is no quick fix for this, there is so much damage done on both sides, there is no trust in the other kind at all. You might have seen the other posts here too that were quite agressive and there is no doubt in my mind that in Palestinian homes words of agression are spoken towards Israelis as well. And so we have yet another generation not willing to look past anything. Even amongst themselves Israelians and Palestinians cannot agree on this matter, who killed Yitzhak Rabin again? I am afraid no light is going to get in anytime soon. As for Israel acting disproportionately, in a situation where you are the 1 surrounded by your enemies, you must have deterrence in order to prevent future attacks from happening. But tanks were never sent out first as The IDF strategy is to mainly practice its air forces. This is indeed cruel, but a war is a war and injustice is made by both sides. Tho I do not agree with any kind of blockade, I can understand the reason behind it. Putting pressure over the Gaza population is meant to make Hamas expelled by its own people. Hamas is a terror organization which took over the territory by wining the 2006-2007 civil war. Since its wining it was responsible for many horrified acts funded by the Iranian regime. I do not believe the situation in Gaza is that bad as you said, Hamas has an interest to make it look worse so international pressure will be sent towards Israel. I do feel sorry for any human beings who lives in such conditions and I pray for them, but Israel is not the only one to blame. Think about it, Israel is being asked to give electric-power and water supply to its enemy. This make no sense. Take a look at the West Bank which is much more developed than Gaza strip. How could? unlike Gaza, The West Bank is being controlled by the Palestinian National Authority who is co-operating with Israel in security issues and prevention of terror. This proves such positive steps will lead to a better future for us all. Yiga'al Amir killed him. Rabin was a true leader, he had no fear and did it all for the peace. Him being killed was a mortal wound for peace process and many Israeli sees it as a missed opportunity 'till today. Past Israeli PMs such as Olmert, Barak or Sharon were willing to give a lot to raise the chance for normal life but met Mahmoud Abbas and his people who are, let's say, not as excited for peace as they might look like IMO. Unfortunately, PM Netanyahu is nothing like them. I hope peace will come soon. Both sides must put an end to this colossal mess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonsterMum 2,532 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 I am afraid no light is going to get in anytime soon. As for Israel acting disproportionately, in a situation where you are the 1 surrounded by your enemies, you must have deterrence in order to prevent future attacks from happening. But tanks were never sent out first as The IDF strategy is to mainly practice its air forces. This is indeed cruel, but a war is a war and injustice is made by both sides. Tho I do not agree with any kind of blockade, I can understand the reason behind it. Putting pressure over the Gaza population is meant to make Hamas expelled by its own people. Hamas is a terror organization which took over the territory by wining the 2006-2007 civil war. Since its wining it was responsible for many horrified acts funded by the Iranian regime. I do not believe the situation in Gaza is that bad as you said, Hamas has an interest to make it look worse so international pressure will be sent towards Israel. I do feel sorry for any human beings who lives in such conditions and I pray for them, but Israel is not the only one to blame. Think about it, Israel is being asked to give electric-power and water supply to its enemy. This make no sense. Take a look at the West Bank which is much more developed than Gaza strip. How could? unlike Gaza, The West Bank is being controlled by the Palestinian National Authority who is co-operating with Israel in security issues and prevention of terror. This proves such positive steps will lead to a better future for us all. Yiga'al Amir killed him. Rabin was a true leader, he had no fear and did it all for the peace. Him being killed was a mortal wound for peace process and many Israeli sees it as a missed opportunity 'till today. Past Israeli PMs such as Olmert, Barak or Sharon were willing to give a lot to raise the chance for normal life but met Mahmoud Abbas and his people who are, let's say, not as excited for peace as they might look like IMO. Unfortunately, PM Netanyahu is nothing like them. I hope peace will come soon. Both sides must put an end to this colossal mess. Thank you Dolev for replying in a civil way. I know who killed Rabin, I was making a mere statement to show how parties within themselves can be so devided It's an eternal shame for his loss, it was maybe the closest moment to a peaceful ending or at least stand still in this giant mess. Time has not made up for his loss yet and it's almost 20 years later, which indicates what a true leader he was in heart and mind. It shows again 2 big elements that's needed to make a change: belief and trust. As trivial as it seems, he had those 2 small yet courageous things after years of basically war. Personally that's why I still belief there needs to be this 1 person that can set in motion a snowball effect and I hope I get to live to see that moment. The reason why I posted about the situation in the Gaza strip is because im following an Irish girl that is there and so I am able to get first hand information by a non Palestinian and European who is somewhat still unbiased. I mean if it's a calm/peaceful day where she is, she'll say it too and not only the drama if you see what I mean. But she was legit scared as hell mid December when you (not sure you too) had the flooding (of which non was broadcasted here in the in my country). But I tend to believe her when I see this: Anyhow, again I do not have problems with Israel as a state but the way it carries out it's policies. I read a great speech, I dunno how it was received in Israel tho. For anyone interested: http://www.europarl.europa.eu/the-president/en/press/press_release_speeches/speeches/sp-2014/sp-2014-february/html/speech-to-the-knesset-12-february-2014-by-martin-schulz-president-of-the-european-parliament Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolev 866 Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Thank you Dolev for replying in a civil way. I know who killed Rabin, I was making a mere statement to show how parties within themselves can be so devided It's an eternal shame for his loss, it was maybe the closest moment to a peaceful ending or at least stand still in this giant mess. Time has not made up for his loss yet and it's almost 20 years later, which indicates what a true leader he was in heart and mind. It shows again 2 big elements that's needed to make a change: belief and trust. As trivial as it seems, he had those 2 small yet courageous things after years of basically war. Personally that's why I still belief there needs to be this 1 person that can set in motion a snowball effect and I hope I get to live to see that moment. The reason why I posted about the situation in the Gaza strip is because im following an Irish girl that is there and so I am able to get first hand information by a non Palestinian and European who is somewhat still unbiased. I mean if it's a calm/peaceful day where she is, she'll say it too and not only the drama if you see what I mean. But she was legit scared as hell mid December when you (not sure you too) had the flooding (of which non was broadcasted here in the in my country). But I tend to believe her when I see this: Anyhow, again I do not have problems with Israel as a state but the way it carries out it's policies. I read a great speech, I dunno how it was received in Israel tho. For anyone interested: http://www.europarl.europa.eu/the-president/en/press/press_release_speeches/speeches/sp-2014/sp-2014-february/html/speech-to-the-knesset-12-february-2014-by-martin-schulz-president-of-the-european-parliament My pleasure buddy. I think its important to discuss such things and I'm happy to get a chance to represent my homeland. I know. I hope for another true and brave leader rising soon. Actually, who knows... I might be the one ;) Gaza seems really densely populated and poor infrastructured. Israel and Egypt should open their borders and make building materials supply available, a controlled supply to prevent arms trafficking. I'm sure the peace will have its positive effect over the middle east economy and both sides will benefit, so such flooding could be prevent by building modernized streets over Gaza. As for the speech... You know, pluralism some might say Schulz had to check the water thing before he spoke about it. Except for that, I agree with everything else he said, and so does the majority in Israel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VersaceKing 419 Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHA NO! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
2007 5,291 Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Ok why doesn't she do a concert in gaza too, without cancelling any shows Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melech 9,900 Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 My mum lived in Israel and she liked it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughdancy 282 Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 My mum lived in Israel and she liked it Because that's totally what matters here What the OP is saying is that Gaga is giving legitimacy to the country by going there, which isn't a good thing to do considering the current political climate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noam Zioni 1,196 Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHA NO! צריך ל×רוג ע×•×˜× (כדי ש×â€Ã— ל× ×™×ªÃ—¨Ã—’מו) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melech 9,900 Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Because that's totally what matters here What the OP is saying is that Gaga is giving legitimacy to the country by going there, which isn't a good thing to do considering the current political climate. Every country has its problems. No reason to punish the fans Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ascetic 0 Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Because that's totally what matters here What the OP is saying is that Gaga is giving legitimacy to the country by going there, which isn't a good thing to do considering the current political climate. Yes but the US is pushing towards Israel remaining a sovereign nation It's not like she holds enough political power to encourage the Western World to undo the pacts and consequences of WWII Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughdancy 282 Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Yes but the US is pushing towards Israel remaining a sovereign nation It's not like she holds enough political power to encourage the Western World to undo the pacts and consequences of WWII But it's a symbolic act and the OPs post is valid towards any celebrity touring there Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ascetic 0 Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 But it's a symbolic act and the OPs post is valid towards any celebrity touring there And how would you know her stance and maybe she would prefer for Israel being a country? The US has condoned ethnic cleansing for over 60 years, and you people are just now realizing this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughdancy 282 Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 And how would you know her stance and maybe she would prefer for Israel being a country? The US has condoned ethnic cleansing for over 60 years, and you people are just now realizing this? I'm not "just realising" anything. I haven't stated my opinion on whether Israel should or should not be a country as I don't think that's the issue here. I think the issue is that by going to Israel, Gaga is legitimising it as a country and while it's not going to suddenly change everything it is part of a wider problem of apathy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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