timdrake 1,923 Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 1 hour ago, 50 Ft Queenie said: Those photos man… they are drugged af. They just look like grumpy exhausted kids to me. I watched the video, and they come off as 4 people who tied narratives to whatever photos and "evidence" they had around. I've found them to be scammers and untrustworthy for at least 16 years before this even came up, and nothing in the video made me feel differently. Just want to point out that while I don't believe their accusations of sexual abuse, maybe it was inappropriate for them to be spending so much time with Michael. It sure bit Michael in the ass and opened him up to extortion and negative public opinion- but I don't think he was sexual with them. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bebe 17,289 Posted May 11 Author Share Posted May 11 (edited) 8 hours ago, Ziggy said: Where did they say every accusation? They said this specific family Where did I make the claim they said every accusation? I asked a clarifying question, to understand what their position is. Edited May 11 by Bebe Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ladle Ghoulash 52,936 Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 (edited) 8 hours ago, Ziggy said: Where did they say every accusation? They said this specific family EDIT: misread who this was replying to, nvm Edited May 11 by Ladle Ghoulash We have forgotten our public MANNERS 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nATAH 57,006 Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 every time one of these threads happen, it makes me glad i never cared for MJ or his music mother, what must i do? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenegAde 20,557 Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 (edited) 15 hours ago, LilMonst3r said: The fact some people say “he was a kid at heart, he was stunted” Actually this is the archetype of a child abuser. If one sees themselves as a child then they may not recognise the physical emotional or sexual boundaries that should exist between themselves and children . So this is the worst possible defense people come up with for MJ in my opinion. Not sure about the validity of the accusations just saying somethings cannot be ignored. Edited May 11 by RenegAde 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunny 12,753 Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 (edited) In other news, water is wet. Janet clears him any day every day, she deserved his fame and success. Although now she is MAGA so... Edited May 11 by Sunny I like dancin', and ponies.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy 14,040 Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 3 hours ago, Bebe said: Where did I make the claim they said every accusation? I asked a clarifying question, to understand what their position is. Admittedly I thought the question was more rhetorical than sincere so <3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy 14,040 Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 (edited) 1 hour ago, Sunny said: In other news, water is wet. Janet clears him any day every day, she deserved his fame and success. Although now she is MAGA so... Tbh I doubt she’s actually MAGA it’s more that she tends to stay out of things bc wealth and has her idiot brother as a manager who IS maga telling her dumb **** like Kamala isn’t black. I think she’s just uninvolved which kinda checks when you think about A) the isolation of wealth to allow you to do that B) she’s a mom to a still fairly young kid and by all accounts pretty truly involved C) has been touring or in residency for the last few years while being like 60. It’s unfortunate but I get how ignorance would come up. even her Kamala comment sounds like she’s confused about it and like uhhhh idk but I’ve heard this(?) Edited May 11 by Ziggy Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy 14,040 Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 (edited) 2 hours ago, RenegAde said: Actually this is the archetype of a child abuser. If one sees themselves as a child then they may not recognise the physical emotional or sexual boundaries that should exist between themselves and children . So this is the worst possible defense people come up with for MJ in my opinion. Not sure about the validity of the accusations just saying somethings cannot be ignored. My personal feelings are that the whole situation has become SO overblown and complex over the years between strange tendencies and truths like you point out here, genuine false accusations, court acquittals, settlements, etc. that we can never really know the truth truth. But we can certainly say regardless of anything, his relationships with young children—sexual or not—was inappropriate. AND most importantly that these parents do not get the flak they absolutely should for how they cravenly put their children in the path of a middle aged man with power and privacy. Disgusting. if nothing else, it’s a shame that if there are true victims of sexual abuse here, that liars and media speculation have hurt the plausibility of their cases. I guess my feeling is that there are MANY more irrefutable truths that go under condemned in this case that focusing on “did he or didn’t he?” kind of lets those skate by. There are MANY villains of this saga. Edited May 11 by Ziggy 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LilMonst3r 5,681 Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 11 hours ago, Economy said: Im not sure thats quite how stunted growth would work. Id imagine ud get a weird combination of infantile traits with some adulthood as well. Imagining u would remain exactly as a standars kid somehow sounds like severely over simplifying how those kinds of mental conditions would evolve You have a valid point 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bebe 17,289 Posted May 11 Author Share Posted May 11 (edited) One thing I will never understand, when I see MJ fans talk about the accusers, is how they are seemingly blind to how influencial MJ was to these children. How much of a crazy force he was in their life in their formative years. He was a parental figure, the crazy uncle, the best friend, the super hero. Imagine watching Michael on your TV at the height of his fame and suddenly one night he comes to your house. Bubbles is there, a real life monkey, and you get to play with Bubbles and with Michael. Your parents are starstruck and can't believe Michael Jackson is friends with them?? And what an experience it is for all of you. Suddenly your being invited to Neverland and it's like your own private Disneyand your going on amusement rides with him, playing arcade games, watching movies in his cinema, seeing and interacting with the animals in his zoo. It's one giant playground, your playing with your siblings and/or other kids and MJ is your best friend. He's not like other adults who have all these rules, MJ is all about fun! You get invited a few more times and MJ starts to ask if you want to stay over, your parents trust him - it's clear you guys love him so he can't be hurting you and he's been so generous to them buying expensive gifts. They think he is just a pure hearted man and so do you. They start letting you sleep over and he's now the adult taking care of you. First for an overnight stay but it then evolved to days, weeks and even months at a time. During this time MJ can get touchy when playing, first tickling and evolving to "booty rumbles" where he grabs your butt and shakes it. It's all funny playing though. This is all grooming. He built trust with these children and these families but he isn't safe. The abuse escalates but so does the grand displays, the overseas trips, the film sets, the tours. He, as an adult who you love, is telling you that you will get in trouble with your parents if you tell them about the games that you play with him and so will he. Take the abuse out of the story, can we admit that MJ would have been such an important figure in that child's life? They considered him a super hero and also family. They loved him. MJ defenders will argue these children grew up and decided to make up a life destroying lie. To viciously and spitefully take him down for his money. I personally think that sounds very strange. What doesn't sound strange is the idea that the weird 30+ year old man who enjoyed friendships with children, playing with children and sleeping in bed with children also enjoyed molesting them. Edited May 11 by Bebe 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MillennialMonster 10 Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 Anything that comes from Zionist owned media cannot be trusted. MJ was a well known critic of them, so it's not surprising they're trying to stir the pot with fresh nonsensical accusations. Do you think he was "accidentally" killed? Give me a break. It has been proven many times that Michael was rescuing kids from being sent to Epstein Island. I find it quite shocking how many on this site blindly follow this obvious Zionist propaganda despite supposedly being anti-Zionist. Makes you wonder who really runs this site. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ladle Ghoulash 52,936 Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 (edited) 5 minutes ago, MillennialMonster said: Anything that comes from Zionist owned media cannot be trusted. MJ was a well known critic of them, so it's not surprising they're trying to stir the pot with fresh nonsensical accusations. Do you think he was "accidentally" killed? Give me a break. It has been proven many times that Michael was rescuing kids from being sent to Epstein Island. I find it quite shocking how many on this site blindly follow this obvious Zionist propaganda despite supposedly being anti-Zionist. Makes you wonder who really runs this site. Where exactly has it been proven that MJ saved kids from Epstein? Edited May 11 by Ladle Ghoulash We have forgotten our public MANNERS 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MillennialMonster 10 Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 3 minutes ago, Ladle Ghoulash said: Where exactly has it been proven that MJ saved kids from Epstein? All you have to do is read the Epstein Files; they hated him and it's a reason he was eliminated. Every few years the MJ grifters rise from the grave to tarnish his name again. It's not coincidence this is "coming to light" among the Epstein War. Open your eyes Patti. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ladle Ghoulash 52,936 Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 Just now, MillennialMonster said: All you have to do is read the Epstein Files; they hated him and it's a reason he was eliminated. Every few years the MJ grifters rise from the grave to tarnish his name again. It's not coincidence this is "coming to light" among the Epstein War. Open your eyes Patti. Again, I asked for specifics. We have forgotten our public MANNERS Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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