Billie Eilish Responded To Criticism For Recent Vegan Statement: I Don't Give A Fxck!

[RAMROD 115,400]

 

 

[Morphine Prince 109,447]

She’s right but the way she’s said some things is not the best. 

At the end of the day, this is an animal consuming society and anyone speaking for an alternative will get pushback.

 

[Jenina 15,217]

Good. I mean that's how it should be  It's important not to yield when it comes to your core beliefs even if everyone pushes back. That being said my belief is that veganism without class consciousness is just a picnic

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[Pablo 8,351]

[Jill 31,271]

This is what modern discourse has been reduced to: back-and-forth bickering with zero substance, individualistic acts of "I don't give a ****, stay mad" and no attempt whatsoever to build or engage in constructive dialogue for a better society. Its just virtue signaling with extra steps.

[REALITY 79,671]

I think you must have some real thin skin if you don't get her point, and I say this as a fat f*ck who eats a ton of meat. It's no secret that animals are horribly mistreated in all different types of industries. And it IS hypocritical to say you're an animal lover while still supporting those industries. So yeah, I am hypocritical for that. And so is everyone else who does the same. It's not rocket science, and people are just offended that she's calling them out because they can't bear to think they are partly responsible for it. 

[LOVEDRUG 11,163]

I might agree with her point if both her and Finneas hadn't proven themselves to be huge virtue signallers. I don't care how moderate or extreme somebody's viewpoint is, as long as they're willing to stick to their guns and put their money where their mouth is. Both her and Finneas have shown that their morals are flexible whenever they stand to gain from it (see vinyl variants, her stolen land comments, Finneas using a Kanye song on his story etc.)

[Ladle Ghoulash 43,211]

Just now, LOVEDRUG said:

I might agree with her point if both her and Finneas hadn't proven themselves to be huge virtue signallers. I don't care how moderate or extreme somebody's viewpoint is, as long as they're willing to stick to their guns and put their money where their mouth is. Both her and Finneas have shown that their morals are flexible whenever they stand to gain from it (see vinyl variants, her stolen land comments, Finneas using a Kanye song on his story etc.)

Well, I also think that’s partially an issue of expressing viewpoints in a morally rigid and graceless way: it makes people less willing to extend grace back to you if you ever fail to meet your own standard, which inadvertently undermines whatever causes you were advocating for.

I know people don’t like to hear it, but nobody wants to be scolded or lectured to. In terms of how the message is received, it almost doesn’t even matter if you’re right, if you’re basically looking down at the people you disagree with and not even attempting to mask it, work past it, or even *convince them*, you’re not really helping your cause and, imo, are not acting especially seriously as a political agent.

[MACATL 2,007]

17 minutes ago, REALITY said:

I think you must have some real thin skin if you don't get her point, and I say this as a fat f*ck who eats a ton of meat. It's no secret that animals are horribly mistreated in all different types of industries. And it IS hypocritical to say you're an animal lover while still supporting those industries. So yeah, I am hypocritical for that. And so is everyone else who does the same. It's not rocket science, and people are just offended that she's calling them out because they can't bear to think they are partly responsible for it. 

Is it the industry shes calling out or the very act of eating meat?  Im thinking it’s the latter.  

[weed 77,837]

If that's her pov she better double down and stand on it. Love a queen with conviction and love her message (I am not vegan at all)

[ActualPatient 2,279]

there are some hypocrisies i tolerate, this is one of them. i love animals including live cows and pigs. i also love eating meat i can buy in the market or through cruising. it's ironic, it's hypocritical. i am at peace.

im not appalled she's not at peace with this. why would she be? she's a raging vegan. i can tolerate that.

[REALITY 79,671]

11 minutes ago, MACATL said:

Is it the industry shes calling out or the very act of eating meat?  Im thinking it’s the latter.  

I mean, she’s literally talking about the industry in her posts. I don’t think she means eating meat itself. There are ethical ways of consuming meat.

[LOVEDRUG 11,163]

12 minutes ago, Ladle Ghoulash said:

Well, I also think that’s partially an issue of expressing viewpoints in a morally rigid and graceless way: it makes people less willing to extend grace back to you if you ever fail to meet your own standard, which inadvertently undermines whatever causes you were advocating for.

I know people don’t like to hear it, but nobody wants to be scolded or lectured to. In terms of how the message is received, it almost doesn’t even matter if you’re right, if you’re basically looking down at the people you disagree with and not even attempting to mask it, work past it, or even *convince them*, you’re not really helping your cause and, imo, are not acting especially seriously as a political agent.

I agree. For a lot of people, the mere hint of sanctimoniousness or self-importance will turn them off immediately; the message itself is irrelevant. I don't think it even has to get as far as somebody's adherence to their own standard being tested. People aren't stupid, and know that few people who set such a high moral standard ever meet it. The tone alone is enough to turn them off, because it automatically comes off phoney and fake.

[Ladle Ghoulash 43,211]

9 minutes ago, REALITY said:

I mean, she’s literally talking about the industry in her posts. I don’t think she means eating meat itself. There are ethical ways of consuming meat.

She 100% means eating meat is wholly unethical, tbh. The original statement is pretty unambiguous about that (and if that’s not what she meant, she should’ve said something else lol)

[Economy 52,203]

53 minutes ago, Jill said:

This is what modern discourse has been reduced to: back-and-forth bickering with zero substance, individualistic acts of "I don't give a ****, stay mad" and no attempt whatsoever to build or engage in constructive dialogue for a better society. Its just virtue signaling with extra steps.

This is my issue with society in general now a days

 

I used to like discussing and debating serious issues and politics as well. I sometimes still comment or post some news or occasionally in real life discuss the topic but Ive pulled back big time

 

Ppl are increasingly incapable of talking like a normal human being without strong knee jerk reactions if you disagree with something and its exhausting

 

Sometimes someone says something I have a different view point and I would like to say something or give my two cents (not necessairily to lecture but just engage). But more often than not I no longer bother to. I know theres a good chance it will turn inti something unpleasent and I just don't have the energy to deal with peoples immaturity and intolerance anymore

 

And tbh, at the risk of saying something unpopular here, I dont find its just Conservatives or the Right Wing that have this issue. I think both sides have the issue more than they realize even tho they always blame the other side. I think the problem is culturally we have normalized an agressive way of speaking

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