GaGa: Art y capitalism can be friends

[Aga Gydal 3,157]

(Sorry accidental post)

Edited February 29 by Aga Gydal

[MadArchitect 579]

1 hour ago, RahrahWitch said:

I love her but I don't agree at all. There's nothing specific to capitalism that lifts up art, In fact it's quite the opposite. The only artists it really benefits are those making a specific kind of art that's already popular and easily marketable, those then fight for the top while all the rest get actively pushed down and snuffed out.

But how do you draw this conclusion from what she said? she never even implied that capitalism lifts up art at all, she only say that they CAN be friends meaning they can coexist, and only depending about how it happens meaning only IF the right conditions are met, the context is that she's already acknowledging that it does exist a disparity and a irreconcilability, but it CAN be passed through, it's not like she's oblivious of the abuses and injustices that exist within it that make them incompatible.

Edited February 29 by MadArchitect

[FreedomInTheMusic 393]

I guess I don’t fully understand what is preferred here. It’s hard if not somewhat impossible to separate the business of a pop star as big as Gaga from their music. They’re dependent on one another. We would have never gotten the Telephone music video we did without some of that product placement. 
 

I also come back to the point that this isn’t just about Gaga making money, but her employing and funding the salaries of hundreds of people. You remove the business from Gaga and you put all those people out of work. It’s a huge responsibility and one Gaga takes very seriously based on what she’s said before. 

[Ziggy 10,755]

36 minutes ago, Sneaky Oliver said:

You guys are so dramatic, it’s kinda disgusting. Now tell me you didn’t expect Gaga or any other popstar to be a capitalist person, I mean cmon 

I think what Gaga actually meant was you can be involved in commercializing products while being creative, innovative and artsy. That’s her whole brand, not just for Haus Labs, but for Gaga herself. 
 

Also I’d rather have her talking like that and being real and such a smart businesswoman than watch her talking about an art-driven fantasy utopian dream world that we all know it doesn’t exist.

Disgusting?  now, mama…the dramatics…

[thatarizonasky 293]

For the love of everything that is holy, yall gotta stop dragging her for being real. Just because your minds have been trained that everything is 100% right or 100% wrong, doesn’t mean that’s how the world works. Capitalism and art have already been working together for as long as either has been around. So get your heads out of your asses and grow tf up.

[Ziggy 10,755]

1 minute ago, FreedomInTheMusic said:

I guess I don’t fully understand what is preferred here. It’s hard if not somewhat impossible to separate the business of a pop star as big as Gaga from their music. They’re dependent on one another. We would have never gotten the Telephone music video we did without some of that product placement. 
 

I also come back to the point that this isn’t just about Gaga making money, but her employing and funding the salaries of hundreds of people. You remove the business from Gaga and you put all those people out of work. It’s a huge responsibility and one Gaga takes very seriously based on what she’s said before. 

I think telephone is a great example of GOOD balance bc she made that video about public consumerism. So there genuinely was an effort to bring in what had to be done into the art itself.

[MadArchitect 579]

1 minute ago, Ziggy said:

I think telephone is a great example of GOOD balance bc she made that video about public consumerism. So there genuinely was an effort to bring in what had to be done into the art itself.

she poisons everyone with fast food and pokes fun at commercials as she poisons the products she's selling, that video is so fun and intelligent, it has the record guiness for the most product placement in a single video while poking fun at product placement in videos, and she confirmed that she was not even paid to put half of the products it it, she just put them as an artistic commentary.

[MelbHawker 6,583]

I agree with her. If you really think about it.. it’s not really an opinion. It’s fact.

[Bowman 7,936]

I don’t think I’ve ever seen a thread on Gagadaily with so many mixed emotions and different opinions. It’s crazy. Just reading through everyone’s posts, it’s all getting a bit much 

[Obobo 2,702]

25 minutes ago, MadArchitect said:

you're just factually wrong my friend, Haus labs is not a corporation lol it's a  company, a specific beauty brand that was founded by Gaga herself from the scratch  and is in her own trademark and under her own independent company Ate My Heart Inc, it did not exist before she founded it and they did not jut put Gaga's name in just to it sell it, this is  why so many make up artists who know how the business work have praise the brand in contrast to other celebrities beauty brands that are born just the way you say, and actual makeup artists disagree with you and only praise the brand and the artistry and innovation of it. Next.

 

^ Me when i’m delulu and uneducated. All celebs brand will have the celeb as a “founder” and use it for the brand story. This is probably some idea her management thought to increase her funds since music doesn’t make as much.

I literally worked in marketing for an LA beauty brand for 3.5 years. They all use the same labs, manufacturers, packaging, components, experts. I understand how it works that’s why i’m speaking. Period.

 

 

[Gaga2645 2,077]

I will say, not to be MESSY, but makeup is a form of art. You may not like Haus Labs or use makeup like that, but it doesn’t mean makeup isn’t art or artistry driven. Just a side note 

love the Hy-Power Pigment Paints ™️ featured in Scarlet Matte in my pfp  

[Arcanum 4,995]

1 hour ago, MadArchitect said:

She never claimed to be a capitalist or be akin to it as a system to organize economy at all, i don't know how anyone can draw these non-sequitur conclusions with such a concrete statement, she means that art and capitalism can co-exist IF done the right way, not that it is the ideal best way in her worldview, maybe i woudn't use the word "friends" as it come across as a positive, but it is in a context where she's already acknowledging that a disparity and a irreconcilability exist but can be passed through.

That's just how things are structured in society, do you think that true art can't exist in pop culture? in a capitalistic system? do you think that for her to make true art she has to go back to the confines and margins of society she was before fame in the lower east side of NY? that art only exist in independent and alternative communities and in the underground? that's what you imply if you disagree with this statement of hers, which is funny cause most of the people here in this site and some of which are the most outraged with this statement consume almost exclusively very commercially available pop music and pop is their favorite genre...

Besides, she's also said in her most recent interviews during the HOG press tour how capitalism "destroys women all the time" and how she's always been in it to "dismantle" systems of oppression from the inside, including capitalism. To me she has always had pretty revolutionary, leftist and anti-neo-liberal sentiments and messages in her art and the things she says in her interviews, and she works to diminish the harming aspects of it from the inside (which is the only way) of course i've never seen her defining herself as skin to socialism explicitly either, but i dont see anything but consistency in her speech from the beginning of her career.

Thanks for clarifying. It was just an observation. The word "capitalism" always hits hard when it comes to recent times and the state of the world.

[Super 927]

shes kinda right tbh. if youre an artist, how youre gonna make it without bowing to capitalism? cause you alone cant beat it. its about how u can do this without losing yourself in the process 

Edited February 29 by Super

[Nycboy 967]

This was exactly the thesis of ARTPOP…warhol’s soup can is a commentary on consumerism, using art to sell her album, Jeff Koons is literally a figurehead for capitalistic art  

Gaga loving capitalism is nothing new, surprising, or bad. She’s always loved the “manufactured” aspect of pop music and pop stardom — selling something to a consumer. Her obsessions with fame, technology, etc. are all related to this. 

Edited February 29 by Nycboy

[Obobo 2,702]

6 minutes ago, Super said:

shes kinda right tbh. if youre an artist, how youre gonna make it without bowing to capitalism? cause you alone cant beat it. its about how u can do this without losing yourself in the process 

well each month it looks like she’s losing herself and that’s the issue. nobody here is angry at capitalism. we’re just tired that capitalism took the front seat and now is trying to disguise itself as art.

Art and capitalism can be friends but a good friendship can’t be one sided…