NASA releases pictures showing Ukrainian blackout

[Emigrante 9,993]

All of you fighting over pictures if they were edited or not, but all I see on those is universe and stars. 

[Dennis 8,391]

If this thread proves anything is that conspiracy theorism is really not limited to the MAGA people. It's fascinating how for some here, you give them the direct NASA links, you explain how satellite images are processed etc etc, and factuality just doesn't matter to them, they'll still die on the hill that evil western media is using photoshop filters 

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7 hours ago, Dennis said:

lmao.

First of all the picture is from February, not January as you claim. Take a look again. Second of all, there were heavy air strikes on Ukraine on February 24th. So you want to pick something before the war started.

February 23rd you say would've been a better picture? Well let's take a look. OH looks like plenty of cloud obstruction in the picture. So who's being dishonest here? Is it the media who picked the most recent, cloud-free pictures or you who in your insistence on being wrong decided that this picture below would've been more appropriate  PLEASE STOP. This is pointless. And even in the picture below, in the parts that are not obstructed you can see Ukraine with much more light than now. So your argument is pointless from any angle you look at it.

As for the poland missile. I posted an Associated Press article when the news break out which did have the same exact headline as my thread and then updated my thread accordingly when it turned out the debris were ukrainian air defenses. You see the difference? There's no shame in self-correction. There's only shame in embarassing oneself by doubling down on being wrong.

Where does it say is from February?

The exact point is there is cloud obstruction in the after photo, yes. Are you not following the conversation? There are photos on similar conditions that can be used for a honest comparison (then you yourself go to say February 23 works as well after saying there are too many clouds, you have to pick a side).

So basically no apology for spreading misinformation as long as somebody else says it (even though the one at AP in charge for the article got fired for making stuff up).

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1 hour ago, FfFfFfFF said:

Where does it say is from February?

The exact point is there is cloud obstruction in the after photo, yes. Are you not following the conversation? There are photos on similar conditions that can be used for a honest comparison (then you yourself go to say February 23 works as well after saying there are too many clouds, you have to pick a side).

So basically no apology for spreading misinformation as long as somebody else says it (even though the one at AP in charge for the article got fired for making stuff up).

It's insane how much time I spent disproving each and every one of the wrong claims you've made in this thread. Such a giant waste of time. Here's the date highlighted for you, since you had trouble seeing it.

And yes now you're gonna keep going back to that Associated Press article about the polish missile. They corrected their story. I updated my thread in the same day. Move on. Stop deflecting from the fact that you're wrong here.

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5 hours ago, Dennis said:

If this thread proves anything is that conspiracy theorism is really not limited to the MAGA people. It's fascinating how for some here, you give them the direct NASA links, you explain how satellite images are processed etc etc, and factuality just doesn't matter to them, they'll still die on the hill that evil western media is using photoshop filters 

No, it proves people even the so called enlightened ones will never question anything from what they perceive to be "their side" as long as it shows what they want it to show. Under this lie several naive assumptions like American exceptionalism (the idea that America doesn't use propaganda because is different, "civilized" when is mostly not the case). The factuality is that the before and after are dishonest and you are adverse to any criticism of your side in media (Zelensky Vogue photoshoot, misinformation on strikes on Poland etc) you are not seeking truth but blindly following a side. Dissapoint because I wanted to believe you are honest when it comes to internatiobal events and not an American patriot that instead of thinking US hould isolate, it should expand internationally bc of how great ajd exceptional is.

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3 minutes ago, Dennis said:

It's insane how much time I spent disproving each and every one of the wrong claims you've made in this thread. Such a giant waste of time. Here's the date highlighted for you, since you had trouble seeing it.

And yes now you're gonna keep going back to that Associated Press article about the polish missile. They corrected their story. I updated my thread. Move on. Stop deflecting from the fact that you're wrong here.

And where does it say the other pic I posted is from February and not January? Nowhere, plus 6 February is still close to January.

Even if you cannot accept an inacurracy in what your side is presenting doesn't mean I am wrong.

[Dennis 8,391]

1 hour ago, FfFfFfFF said:

No, it proves people even the so called enlightened ones will never question anything from what they perceive to be "their side" as long as it shows what they want it to show. Under this lie several naive assumptions like American exceptionalism (the idea that America doesn't use propaganda because is different, "civilized" when is mostly not the case). The factuality is that the before and after are dishonest and you are adverse to any criticism of your side in media (Zelensky Vogue photoshoot, misinformation on strikes on Poland etc) you are not seeking truth but blindly following a side. Dissapoint because I wanted to believe you are honest when it comes to internatiobal events and not an American patriot that instead of thinking US hould isolate, it should expand internationally bc of how great ajd exceptional is.

I don't care about "american exceptionalism" (I don't subscribe to that theory). I don't care about Zelensky's photoshoot.

I care about the fact that 10 million people are without power in the middle of winter, and how the widespread presence of such blackouts is even noticeable from space. You made false accusations in this thread, I refuted them (with evidence each time). You continue insisting and deflecting to other topics.

I think I've done my best here addressing your claims. Not much more I can do if you continue to insist on making these false claims about the pictures. Best to move on.

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1 hour ago, Dennis said:

I don't care about "american exceptionalism" (I don't subscribe to that theory). I don't care about Zelensky's photoshoot.

I care about the fact that 10 million people are without power in the middle of winter, and how the widespread presence of such blackouts is even noticeable from space. You made false accusations in this thread, I refuted them (with evidence each time). You continue insisting and deflecting to other topics.

I think I've done my best here addressing your claims. Not much more I can do if you continue to insist on making these false claims about the pictures. Best to move on.

No, you continue to dodge the fact that the comparasion is not entiretly honest because it puts the bad picture next to the best. The fact that 10M are without power and bad enough and would visible in a honest set of pics.

[Dennis 8,391]

15 minutes ago, FfFfFfFF said:

No, you continue to dodge the fact that the comparasion is not entiretly honest because it puts the bad picture next to the best. The fact that 10M are without power and bad enough and would visible in a honest set of pics.

At this point, I have to conclude that you are consciously and intentionally choosing to lie, in which case it's best for me to ignore your future posts.

You claimed "February 23rd" picture would've been better. I posted the picture to show you why it wasn't. I sent you a link to the entire history of NASA pictures and asked you to show us which pictures you thought would've been better. You refused to do it. You continue to lie and claim baselessly that the media is being dishonest. You ended up admitting yourself that your claim about filters is false, and yet you continue to double down on vague accusations of "media dishonesty", because it seems a full self-correction is too hard for you. Shame on you for making this the focal point in this thread, rather than suffering of these people. I don't care anymore what the hell you think. If you want to think the earth is flat, so be it.

So kindly, in the future please stop interacting with my posts. This is a giant waste of time. You're arguing in bad faith. I'm hoping I won't have to use the ignore feature.

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Any map-maker knows that any element of a map has a motivation and bias behind, including the legend, colour and title. Unless you believe blindly a theory that supports your worlviews, this shouldn't shake your ''trust'' in what you see.

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Just now, Dennis said:

At this point, I have to conclude that you are conciously and intentionally choosing to lie, in which case it's best for me to ignore your future posts.

You claimed "February 23rd" picture would've been better. I posted the picture to show you why it wasn't. I sent you a link to the entire history of NASA pictures and asked you to show us which pictures you thought would've been better. You refused to do it. You continue to lie and claim baselessly that the media is being dishonest. Shame on you for making this the focal point here, rather than suffering of these people. I don't care anymore what the hell you think. If you want to think the earth is flat, so be it.

So kindly, in the future please stop interacting with my posts. This is a giant waste of time. I'm hoping I won't have to use the ignore feature.

At this point it's you who refuse to the accept reality that your partisan side has flaws. You cannot accept the dishonest comparasion because it would shake your worldview(for no reason) so it's easier to claim ''I am right and everything saying something else is just bigoted''. February 23rd is the day before the war, a random date when Ukraine is better lit is not more inaccurate and the fact that you are willing to argue shows you don't care for truthfulness, but for your side. Just like how you defended Zelensky photoshoot, Israel's shenanigans and the proven LIE that Ukraine attacked Poland. You know you can support Ukraine without turning into a blind radical activist and accept ''ok, this is not entirely honest, could have been different''. And if you post something public expect me to respond to it. This is not your group chat.

[Dennis 8,391]

Note to any moderators, it's best to close this thread, it was intended to show NASA pictures showing the effect of russian strikes on ukrainian energy grid, but it turned into a giant mess of someone who keeps making false claims without evidence and just wants to air their past grievances about Zelensky and his July photoshoot in a thread that has nothing to do with it.

Just close this. Thank you.

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So no more arguments and more ''Can't you see I am right and everybody sho disagrees is a bad person''? You keep saying you proved things. You did not prove:

- Why this before and after posted by CNN shows darker areas in Russia and Romania (unaffected by the war), if not because of this is a biased comparasion between two particular days in order to make a dramatic point. Honest aternative would have been to choose a random day in Feburyary or the day the war started, an average between two days or simply two pictures with the same cloud coverage and if you refuse to accept this you are biased.

- Why are irrefutably edited pictures being distributed by Ukrainian officials?

Adress these two points and put an end to the discussion.

[Dennis 8,391]

19 minutes ago, FfFfFfFF said:

Adress these two points and put an end to the discussion.

For the sake of ending this discussion, here's my answer, but please read carefully to save me from endlessly repeating myself. Okay?

I do not care what a ukrainian parliament member is posting on her account. This is irrelevent to my original post. In my original post, I included the map shown by DW (a german media outlet), which had the dates on them, and I also included a link for the NASA website, which shows that such maps are authentic and unfiltered (you ended up admitting yourself that your initial claim about filters was not true). 

What a ukrainian official posts on her account, what Zelensky did with Vogue, what Israel did and all of these things are unrelated to this thread. Got it? Stop making it personal.

I have nothing more to prove here, other than to provide a reputable source for the pictures I included in my OP. And I did. I think NASA is a pretty reliable source for satellite imagery.

Now for the sake of sanity in this site, please move on.
 

 

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5 minutes ago, Dennis said:

For the sake of ending this discussion, here's my answer, but please read carefully to save me from endlessly repeating myself. Okay?

I do not care what a ukrainian official is posting on her account. This is irrelevent to my original post. In my original post, I included the map shown by DW (a german media outlet), which had the dates on them, and I also included a link for the NASA website, which shows that such maps are authentic and unfiltered (you ended up admitting yourself that your initial claim about filters was not true). 

What a ukrainian official posts on her account, what Zelensky did with Vogue, what Israel did and all of these things are unrelated to this thread. Got it? Stop making it personal.

I have nothing more to prove here, other than to provide a reputable source for the pictures I included in my OP. And I did. I think NASA is a pretty reliable source for satellite imagery.

Now for the sake of sanity in this site, please move on.
 

 

I believe the filter is still added to extrapolate data when the pictures are bad quality bc of atmospheric conditions, as it was the case in the most recent picture. Which brings the next point: the conditions are not the same, therefore the comparasion is not honest. The alternative would be to average two pictures from February to create a similar photo with the one in November. The lights in the surrounding countries should have the same intensity and be used as a base.

Zelensky's fishy media compaing, US turning a blind eye on other wars because of its geopolitical interests (Israel/Palestine, Saudi Arabia/Yemen, Azerbaijan/Armenia), Ukrainian officials being dishonest on Twitter are not unrelated. They are flaws and mistakes that need to be adressed on our side so we don't turn into blind radical activitsts.