Restaurant Refuses Tips... Says It's Right Thing For Staff

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3 minutes ago, PartySick said:

Minimum wage in the US is $7.50 an hour but employers are only required to give tipped workers $2.13 an hour. What kind of bullsh*t is that

As a former tipped worker, we 100% make more than minimum wage employees. I can work one table for a $6 tip and still be better off than a minimum wage employee. Which leads me to my one concern, USA-based, which would be that chain restaurants (or any generic restaurant really) would do-away with a tip system and have minimum wage be the starting hourly rate for new wait staff and that customers then think the "no-tip" systems truly means no tips. You go from collecting $20+ in tips for an hour to $7.50. 

[Guest]

Most servers are not going to support removing tips. I made tons of money when I worked for tips -- way more than what I would have been making at an hourly rate. But I also worked the busiest shifts at the busiest restaurant in my area.

[PartySick 173,131]

1 minute ago, Economy said:

Also side question how many States have a minimum wage that low tho?

29 of them  most states that give more only have a dollar or two more.

2 minutes ago, Economy said:

If they got payed the same as other workers tho why still be entitled to bonus tho?

They're not entitled to it  it's a gratuity, not a payment. It's an optional bonus

Who says we can't also tip others in the service industry?

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That’s how it works here in Ireland.

Restaurants pay their workers enough so customers don’t have to foot the rest of the servers wage.

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7 minutes ago, PartySick said:

What you think of this depends on how you think about tips. Are they a gratuity given to a worker that provided good service to you? Or are they just ways to force customers to make up for the low wages given to workers by a greedy business?

It's the latter. 

There is no set standard across the board. I worked as a waiter before and there are a variety of factors that go into it, such as the location of the restaurant, the time of day you work, etc. 

I remember the business even requiring your own tips to be divvied out to the kitchen staff as well at the end, which is why it's widely known that waiters prefer cash tips, and rarely report their tips accurately. 

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1 minute ago, SabadoDeGloria said:

As a former tipped worker, we 100% make more than minimum wage employees. I can work one table for a $6 tip and still be better off than a minimum wage employee.

Oh I know. The wait staff from the restaurant by my work always flaunt their tips

3 minutes ago, SabadoDeGloria said:

Which leads me to my one concern, USA-based, which would be that chain restaurants (or any generic restaurant really) would do-away with a tip system and have minimum wage be the starting hourly rate for new wait staff and that customers then think the "no-tip" systems truly means no tips. You go from collecting $20+ in tips for an hour to $7.50. 

And you know they would do exactly that too

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41 minutes ago, Economy said:

https://globalnews.ca/news/7246794/toronto-restaurant-ends-tipping/amp/

 

A Toronto Restaurant is rethinking the tipping culture and has decided the right thing to do is to build in the extra cost already included into the services and refuse extra tips but pay the workers a higher wage

 

The owner says the reason for this is that a higher non-tip salary is better for employees for a number of different reasons. Not only with a more predictable less volatile income, but also better benefits

 

In cases such as when layoffs, sick leave or in the case of pandemic income replacement benefits is required... Raw hourly payroll income tends to make it easier for employees to apply for benefits and get a fair calculation to what they are entitled to whereas tipping income tends to get messy

 

According to the restaurant owner North America where tipping is the norm in almost every service industry should rethink this culture and just charge a full price without tips and pay a full wage without tip variable like every other industry

So they're catching up to what should be from the start? Good, hope it spreads.

 

Here in Portugal we only tip if the service is extra nice. The restaurant has the obligation of paying a fair wage to their staff.

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One restaurant wont change the culture, but the government can implement some rules to change it. Service charge is something you can find in most countries. 

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4 minutes ago, PartySick said:

29 of them  most states that give more only have a dollar or two more.

They're not entitled to it  it's a gratuity, not a payment. It's an optional bonus

Who says we can't also tip others in the service industry?

Yikes most Provinces in Canada with any meaningful population have a $14/h to $15/h minimum wage which is around $11/h USD in today's exchange rates

 

And I just meant most jobs don't get too bonuses so why only service industry? 

 

Other jobs are also important and hectic too. Like u don't pay your nurse, the guy that came fix your cable or the person who took your complaint for your internet at a cubical a tip

 

If tip earners were paid the same hourly rate as other workers but STILL got tips they would be making more than the rest of us in other jobs

 

That's my point

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7 minutes ago, Economy said:

If they got payed the same as other workers tho why still be entitled to bonus tho?

 

Other industries don't get these bonuses

I'm inclined to agree. If you get paid hourly rates like other industries, your employers are responsible for rewarding hard work through bonuses, not clients. Perhaps leave a line where a review or note can be left for management about great service. 

7 minutes ago, Economy said:

Also side question how many States have a minimum wage that low tho? Here in Canada the Federal Minimum Wage is essentially meaningless as every Province has theirs set above Federal Minimum

There are a handful of states with no state minimum wage, which means Federal rules. Obviously a living base wage is going to vary by state, and even by locality. Living in Washington, D.C., is much more expensive than living in Paducah, Kentucky. That being said, I'm not sure $7.25 is remotely "livable" in most U.S. towns. 

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19 minutes ago, Economy said:

If they got payed the same as other workers tho why still be entitled to bonus tho?

 

Other industries don't get these bonuses

 

Also side question how many States have a minimum wage that low tho? Here in Canada the Federal Minimum Wage is essentially meaningless as every Province has theirs set above Federal Minimum

That is far from true.

 

1. Corporate industries like people who work in retail or at an office, make holiday bonuses and overtime bonuses (of course, varied by the company)

 

2. Tips are for restaurants, hotel staff, bartenders, drivers, etc because those are CUSTOMER SERVICE jobs. Those who thrive in such positions (being friendly with customers, offering assistance, getting them additional condiments or needs, being helpful with adjusting orders, carrying their bags up, etc) deserve an extra sign of gratuity. I don’t see why tips cannot be allowed while paying fair wages. A tip is no different than a gift as a sign of thanks. Tips are one of the ways I, as a food driver, can make a 20-25/hr wage, as my base pay is only around 12-15 depending on order size. It benefits workers that are good people and put in the work to serve customers well.

 

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3 minutes ago, President Biden said:

That is far from true.

 

1. Corporate industries like people who work in retail or at an office, make holiday bonuses and overtime bonuses (of course, varied by the company)

 

2. Tips are for restaurants, hotel staff, bartenders, drivers, etc because those are CUSTOMER SERVICE jobs. Those who thrive in such positions (being friendly with customers, offering assistance, getting them additional condiments or needs, being helpful with adjusting orders, carrying their bags up, etc) deserve an extra sign of gratuity. I don’t see why tips cannot be allowed while paying fair wages. A tip is no different than a gift as a sign of thanks. Tips are one of the ways I, as a food driver, can make a 20-25/hr wage, as my base pay is only around 12-15 depending on order size. It benefits workers that are good people and put in the work to serve customers well.

 

Yeah u make 20-25/hr now (that's already more than I make in my hard labor job adjusting for currency)

 

But if u got payed the SAME as other jobs on top of still getting tips, u would be making MORE than people do in other jobs is what I'm saying

 

I'm not saying ppl in service industry don't deserve fair wages... But I don't think they necessairily deserve MORE than in other typical jobs

 

Many of these jobs require special training, degrees or hard labor.

 

I low-key don't think it's fair if someone working as a server at a restaurant was making a lot more than me in a really tough physically demanding work environment because on top of getting the same hourly pay they got tips none of us in other Industries do

 

Even if all companies have bonuses for holidays that ur talking about (most companies don't anyway), that's still just a few days a year. It's not even close to tip earning for the entire year

 

If u got equal wages while maintaining tips, ud be making higher wages than most other jobs

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Tipping has always seemed very funny to me and took a lot of getting used to when i moved to the United States. In Greece, there are no tips. I’m not sure what waiters/waitresses are paid there though. 

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23 minutes ago, Economy said:

Yeah u make 20-25/hr now (that's already more than I make in my hard labor job adjusting for currency)

 

But if u got payed the SAME as other jobs on top of still getting tips, u would be making MORE than people do in other jobs is what I'm saying

 

I'm not saying ppl in service industry don't deserve fair wages... But I don't think they necessairily deserve MORE than in other typical jobs

 

Many of these jobs require special training, degrees or hard labor.

 

I low-key don't think it's fair if someone working as a server at a restaurant was making a lot more than me in a really tough physically demanding work environment because on top of getting the same hourly pay they got tips none of us in other Industries do

 

Even if all companies have bonuses for holidays that ur talking about (most companies don't anyway), that's still just a few days a year. It's not even close to tip earning for the entire year

 

If u got equal wages while maintaining tips, ud be making higher wages than most other jobs

I agree. I completely support higher wages (I mean, maybe with some exceptions to recognize the fact that small non-chain  restaurants run on tight budgets as it is). But I don’t agree with the “No more tips” concept. 

[PunkTheFunk 125,719]

Good. Mandatory tipping is such a a stupid concept. Pay your workers as much as they deserve, and if one of them goes above and beyond, they can get tipped.