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She's always been taught as a white woman that she was the most superior out of the bunch and she's had this superiority look since she first started. The model industry been praising more european features forever, she said herself people who work for Vogue are for the most part white. She's now, after it's deemed 'trendy' enough for her, saying she wants more diversity. Why didn't say that back in the 90s/2000s? Versace loved diversity and it wasn't trendy, he loved using all kinds of models for his shows, that I can respect, those kind of people who do things from the heart and not by pressure, these are the real ones. There is nothing about Anna Wintour that tells me she truly cares about other kinds of ethnicities out there in the world, she's never proved that she does. There is also something so arrogant about her, the way she carries herself, the way she takes herself so seriously. Although I can respect her work ethic, I'm not sure she's that good of a person inside 

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Guest Adarsh
7 minutes ago, Regina George said:

Maybe not but she’s definitely that scary boss everyone is afraid of and by being that people assume she’s just mean. 

She’s an extremely disciplined person who wakes up at 5 am and doesn’t drink, doesn’t party, works harder than everyone else so it’s only natural that she expects a percentage of the work she puts in in return. People can’t stand strong women on the top hence the incessant need to bring them down. If a man is strong and robust, he’s seen as a  stud, a leader. If a woman does the same, she’s a bitch. Haha 

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elijahfan

She's a powerful, successful woman who doesn't **** around and gets the job done... If not smiling is enough a reason for her to be fired, isn't that low-key misogynistic? What does the current social justice movement has anything to do with her?

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Regina George
4 minutes ago, Adarsh said:

She’s an extremely disciplined person who wakes up at 5 am and doesn’t drink, doesn’t party, works harder than everyone else so it’s only natural that she expects a percentage of the work she puts in in return. People can’t stand strong women on the top hence the incessant need to bring them down. If a man is strong and robust, he’s seen as a  stud, a leader. If a woman does the same, she’s a bitch. Haha 

Wow! You really said it the best :applause: Honestly to me as a woman this actually means a lot and I really appreciate this thinking coming from a man. This literally made my day! 

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17 minutes ago, Regina George said:

Yes I know but I feel like Vogue is the best representation of her work and what she stands for. Judging by that I actually applaud her because I honestly do feel like Vogue is really inclusive and really out of the box. Comparing it to Vogue 20 years before it’s just doing so much better and is actually giving the necessary voice to people of color and people of different sizes, sexualities, etc.. For some tho.. It’ll never be enough.

I totally agree with u and I hope this campaign wont work.

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38 minutes ago, Regina George said:

Anna is just a mean person and that’s the fact. She has been doing pretty great when it comes to the inclusiveness in Vogue magazine tho IMO. Many woman of color, different sizes and woman who are part of lgbt community were on the cover. She is a mean person and probably a nightmare to work with but let’s not link that to social justice.

Anna Wintour, the editor-in-chief of US Vogue, has admitted to making mistakes and publishing material that has been intolerant, as well as not doing enough to promote black staff and designers at the fashion magazine.

https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/2020/jun/10/anna-wintour-apologises-for-not-giving-space-to-black-people-at-vogue

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5 minutes ago, Regina George said:

Wow! You really said it the best :applause: Honestly to me as a woman this actually means a lot and I really appreciate this thinking coming from a man. This literally made my day! 

Of course. Almost all of my role models are women. From my mom to my boss to even Lady Gaga if you will. I look up to women every single day of my life. :heart:

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Lord Temptation

She won’t survive and she shouldn’t survive. Putting black supermodels on the cover once or twice a decade doesn’t cut it. Everyone knows that black is beautiful. Like, that ain’t rocket science.

But black people are also witty, sophisticated and creative writers, producers, executives, supervisors and directors. Something Anna did very little to nurture diversity across the board within the industry she helmed. In fact, the fashion industry is one of the most exclusionary. 

For many POC, it’s not just what’s on the cover that matters, but what happens underneath that counts also. Goodbye legacy, Anna. You had 30 damn years.

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LadariousGarage

She has been working towards inclusivity and diversity, she is difficult to work with and it is by no means ideal, maybe i'm out of the loop about sh*t idk

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15 minutes ago, Adarsh said:

She’s an extremely disciplined person who wakes up at 5 am and doesn’t drink, doesn’t party, works harder than everyone else so it’s only natural that she expects a percentage of the work she puts in in return. People can’t stand strong women on the top hence the incessant need to bring them down. If a man is strong and robust, he’s seen as a  stud, a leader. If a woman does the same, she’s a bitch. Haha 

i agree with this sentiment. just because she’s a hard ass hard worker doesn’t mean she’s a bitch. a bit of sexism in this thread.

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Regina George
8 minutes ago, Brecht said:

Anna Wintour, the editor-in-chief of US Vogue, has admitted to making mistakes and publishing material that has been intolerant, as well as not doing enough to promote black staff and designers at the fashion magazine.

https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/2020/jun/10/anna-wintour-apologises-for-not-giving-space-to-black-people-at-vogue

Good for her. I didn’t feel like she didn’t do enough because I see the change but I’m all here for even more inclusivity and change.

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Ronk
19 minutes ago, Regina George said:

It seems to me like she’s trying to get things done. Mean? Yes. But will it work and will people do their jobs correctly? Most definitely. I know I would.

I agree there is that side of it.  There are also cases where the opposite can work.  A store where I once worked had a store manager who led out of fear and intimidation.  He actually was not a mean person irl, but that was his management style.  Employees did not like that he chewed employees out in public.  A later store manager led out of love and kindness.  The employees would go to the end of the earth for her.  If she even suggested that it would be nice if a task be done it was always done immediately just because people liked her.   Her management style was much more effective than the previous manager.

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18 minutes ago, Adarsh said:

She’s an extremely disciplined person who wakes up at 5 am and doesn’t drink, doesn’t party, works harder than everyone else so it’s only natural that she expects a percentage of the work she puts in in return. People can’t stand strong women on the top hence the incessant need to bring them down. If a man is strong and robust, he’s seen as a  stud, a leader. If a woman does the same, she’s a bitch. Haha 

100%

But in my opinion it's not about that. It's about her not moving a muscle for huge diversity and now asking for "suggestions" when it's deemed "trendy" enough for her to make that move. Doesn't seem genuine to me

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