Sweden Considering Tougher Covid-19 Measures

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1 minute ago, Economy said:

We literally don't know that yet. The spread didn't really take off globally until like a month ago how do we know whether or not countries are managing without lockdowns?

 

however I will also say that unless we want another downturn worse than the great depression simply staying on lockdowns until a vaccine comes out 1 to 1.5 years from now is not really an option and we need alternatives

 

if these countries that are trying a different more lax approach fail to keep death rate from surging, we need to come up with something

South korea, hong Kong, taiwan, japan, singapore, Thailand have control it without lockdowns. The reality of the virus isnt new to these countries. 

However, some have put tougher measures in place recently, which like you say maybe are ok for a very short period of time. But that's the key. These kind of measures must be short or very short and if you are smart you can take tough measures that will have the same effect as lockdowns.

But looking at countries which had lockdowns for a month now and how they talk about the possible reopening it is clear that once you have gone this path, other realities, including economic ones, are only details for the politicians, because they understand that no matter the results, no one can put the blame on them. They have the excuse that everyone did the same or that the situation was so unprecedented that the effects were uncontrollable. 

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6 minutes ago, Florin said:

South korea, hong Kong, taiwan, japan, singapore, Thailand have control it without lockdowns. The reality of the virus isnt new to these countries.

That is not correct. Just look it up. These countries got lockdowns too. 

and with Japan they are just late, their government were prioritizing Olympics, but now that it is postponed, it is now too starting the similiar measure as with other countries. Especially after one of their most famous comedian died from COVID, which certainly eye opening for the regular Japanese people on how serious it is. 

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I’ll post my own experience since I live in Sweden. (Long time lurker, newly registered.)

We do have restrictions even if you all think we live as we used to. Here’s a few examples that affect my daily life:

Basically every store has patches on the ground reminding people to keep a distance of 2 meters. All stores I’ve been in keep hand sanitizers on a desk and signs that tell people who has the slightest symptoms of a cold or anything to stay out. No restaurants serve buffets. You have to be served at a table. The seats are also limited so you don’t sit too close to each other. Not a lot of people dare to go out anyway. Restaurants have been forced to downscale and are struggling despite our more “free” approach to this. 
 

People are encouraged to work from home. A friend of mine where there are 1,500 employees - they all work from home. At my job we are 9 people including me. We sit with at least one chair between us at lunch. We don’t shake hands and no customers are allowed to come visit anymore. A lot of companies have taken these measurements into arrangement. When I’m outside I see people walking around but never in groups unless it’s a family with kids. People who meet and talk stand really far apart and it looks funny af when they communicate by shouting.
 

What annoyed me the most was that so many elders didn’t listen and stayed inside. They were acting like it was nothing for the longest time. And I think the initial simple encouragement to not visit the nursing homes was a bit too soft, and instead I think the people who don’t follow that guidance should be fined because they do put people at risk.
 

What I feel like is that the government put a lot of trust into the people taking responsibility on their own, rather than forbid and lock us inside.
 

Where I live, we don’t have any reported cases and our ICU has no Covid-19 patients so we still have capacity at our hospital. 50 % of the cases in Sweden are in the Stockholm area. A lot of them got infected in Austria and Italy during ski trips and then infected others here. The pressure there is worse. I wouldn’t be mad if they closed that whole city to prevent the people there from traveling now that Easter is coming. 

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as they should  As always, Norway is one step ahead  we're just better 

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2 hours ago, RAMROD said:

That is not correct. Just look it up. These countries got lockdowns too. 

and with Japan they are just late, their government were prioritizing Olympics, but now that it is postponed, it is now too starting the similiar measure as with other countries. Especially after one of their most famous comedian died from COVID, which certainly eye opening for the regular Japanese people on how serious it is. 

I've said in the second paragraph that some put tougher restrictions in place, but that didnt happened because they didnt control it without it. No one here is against some restrictions, which I think Sweden also has. We are talking about how effective is a total lockdown compared with some smaller restrictions. And there are some people who are acting like it's the end of the world if every person on Earth isnt locked up in his house at the moment.