4th Democratic Primary Debate Discussion

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14 minutes ago, Whispering said:

All of them mention Warren, Pete, Bernie as the winners of the night...in different orders. Many of them also put Klobuchar in that list. 

One thing is for sure, everyone on that stage knew that Warren was the new front runner and had shifted to her from Biden. 

Pete won't attack Biden until probably the very end. Biden holds his biggest voting block right now, especially the minority vote which he needs right now to strengthen his position. Plus, the last two-three debates have shown anyone going after Biden has tanked significantly. He's going after Warren because he's a second choice for a lot of Warren supporters too.

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I’ve also seen Yang mentioned in the winner category several times. He is starting to get some respect from media and from the other candidates. 

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8 minutes ago, Matangi said:

sksksks okay girl see u then.. bootyjudge cant keep decent race-relations in his tiny ass town.

What a weak ass rebuttal, lmfao. 

And "bootyjudge". How mature. No wonder gays can be homophobic against fellow gays too. Disgusting. 

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7 hours ago, HorusRa2 said:

They weren’t even illegal. Oh ok. I did not lie to you but by all means call me a Bernie Bro because you don’t like the truth & It hurts your feelings.

I call you a Bernie Bro because you are one or didn't you say that if Bernie isn't the nominee that you would vote third party?

Anyways, Bernie would not have won a general election. He can't even win a primary. This one, the last one, none of them. 

If Warren would have ran the last time she would have trampled him. If Joe would have ran last time he would have also been ahead of him. 

Anyways. I'm pretty sure we'll see the polls in about a week to see what happenes after this debate. 

 

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1 hour ago, JusKeepBreathin said:

I call you a Bernie Bro because you are one or didn't you say that if Bernie isn't the nominee that you would vote third party?

Anyways, Bernie would not have won a general election. He can't even win a primary. This one, the last one, none of them. 

If Warren would have ran the last time she would have trampled him. If Joe would have ran last time he would have also been ahead of him. 

Anyways. I'm pretty sure we'll see the polls in about a week to see what happenes after this debate. 

 

It's definitely on the table. It depends on the nature of the nominee and how we get there. If the same issues that are currently occurring with the media and the pundit class trying to manufacture consent around a candidate they like and misinforming the public consist when the primaries actually occur and if we start seeing the irregularities that occurred in 2016 that you so conveniently deny actually happened, then yes It's most likely going to happen. If a third party (probably the Green party if any) receives 5% of a presidential election, that party would be allowed to participate in the debates  like the other two parties. IF the democratic party does not wish to be the party of the working class of this country, the only way forward is to break up the monotonous "the other person is the boogey man" game of the two-party system and elevate a third party. If you don't like that or understand why that's important, I urge you to block me or cease conversing with me and I promise to do the same. 

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5 hours ago, HorusRa2 said:

It's definitely on the table. It depends on the nature of the nominee and how we get there. If the same issues that are currently occurring with the media and the pundit class trying to manufacture consent around a candidate they like and misinforming the public consist when the primaries actually occur and if we start seeing the irregularities that occurred in 2016 that you so conveniently deny actually happened, then yes It's most likely going to happen. If a third party (probably the Green party if any) receives 5% of a presidential election, that party would be allowed to participate in the debates  like the other two parties. IF the democratic party does not wish to be the party of the working class of this country, the only way forward is to break up the monotonous "the other person is the boogey man" game of the two-party system and elevate a third party. If you don't like that or understand why that's important, I urge you to block me or cease conversing with me and I promise to do the same. 

Its the politicians job to earn your vote, not the other way around. Its insane how Democratic politicians openly feel entitled to your vote, yet offer nothing but "atleast we are not Trump". And if you dont have loyalty to them, their voters will attack and shame you for participating in Democracy! Voting for the "better of two evils" will only keep the system going forever and will allow politicians to use fear to manipulate voters. Long term solutions is voting your conscious, people thinking short term end up being losers and they will continue to lose.

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5 hours ago, Faysalaaa said:

Its the politicians job to earn your vote, not the other way around. Its insane how Democratic politicians openly feel entitled to your vote, yet offer nothing but "atleast we are not Trump". And if you dont have loyalty to them, their voters will attack and shame you for participating in Democracy! Voting for the "better of two evils" will only keep the system going forever and will allow politicians to use fear to manipulate voters. Long term solutions is voting your conscious, people thinking short term end up being losers and they will continue to lose.

They spent three hours last night giving detailed answers to policy questions. They’ve been on the trail and talking to every local, state and national media outlet that will listen to them about their policies and proposals. The nominees have put forth hundreds upon hundreds of pages of very detailed policy plans on everything from Healthcare to Climate Change, Infrastructure, Student Loan Forgiveness, Universal Childcare, Family Leave, Equality for Minorities Programs, Reproductive Rights, Immigration Reform , Gun Reform, Housing and Homelessness, Education at all levels, Teacher Pay Plan, Supreme Court Expansion, Drug Addiction, National Service, Criminal Justice Reform, Voting Rights, Foreign Policy, Anti-Corruption, Closing the Wealth Gap, Taking on Big Tech...

There is not a single Dem nominee who offers “nothing but I’m not Trump, vote for me”. 

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On 10/17/2019 at 8:17 AM, Whispering said:

They spent three hours last night giving detailed answers to policy questions. They’ve been on the trail and talking to every local, state and national media outlet that will listen to them about their policies and proposals. The nominees have put forth hundreds upon hundreds of pages of very detailed policy plans on everything from Healthcare to Climate Change, Infrastructure, Student Loan Forgiveness, Universal Childcare, Family Leave, Equality for Minorities Programs, Reproductive Rights, Immigration Reform , Gun Reform, Housing and Homelessness, Education at all levels, Teacher Pay Plan, Supreme Court Expansion, Drug Addiction, National Service, Criminal Justice Reform, Voting Rights, Foreign Policy, Anti-Corruption, Closing the Wealth Gap, Taking on Big Tech...

There is not a single Dem nominee who offers “nothing but I’m not Trump, vote for me”. 

I admit its better than in 2016 but still they offer nothing but keeping the status quo, being moderates, and still working for the establishment. The little change they have to offer is not even effective or what the majority of Americans want. Its mostly the same system in a different way or little change that have no effect. Its like Trump saying he will give 9/11 victims free healthcare which only effects extremely small minority of people. And most of these policies are clearly not a priority to them so they wont apply or fight for it once they are president

They work for the same system, corporations, wall street, banks, military industrial complex.. so the system will never change no matter what they promise unless the root cause of the problem is dealt with. As much as I dislike Bernie, he is the only one who offers this change. I dont even agree or like progressives politics, but they are clearly better than Democrats and offer solutions that can work for all Americans.

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I genuinely don't get the hate for Tulsi Gabbard. It seems the media has done its job with many of you. Regardless of whether or not I support her, it seems the things she says about peaceful international relations, loving the environment, and fixing our broken infrastructure should be common sense stances. Guess not. As for the people calling her whiny and annoying, I don't get it. She was at a debate hosted by companies who despise her and want her to shut up because she tells the truth about war, she is pissed and has a right to call corporate scum out. It's always well-deserved. Also,  just look at the massive smear campaign against her, all led by the Hillary Clinton dominated democratic establishment.  //

Quick comment about Elizabeth Warren: it is so funny how it has been previously reported she is cozying up with Hillary Clinton and meeting with her (anyone aware of what Clinton said about Gabbard and Jill Stein?), and then also refused to comment about Hillary's comment towards Gabbard? Not that she is obligated to speak out about it, just that it's fishy considering all the reporting about her meeting with Clinton, all after it is known she was soliciting HRC for VP, hence why she didn't endorse Bernie Sanders. I like what Elizabeth Warren says and stands for, but it's hard for me to trust her when she's involved with Hillbots that are continuously becoming more and more desperate to survive in the current political landscape.

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On 10/16/2019 at 12:54 PM, JusKeepBreathin said:

I call you a Bernie Bro because you are one or didn't you say that if Bernie isn't the nominee that you would vote third party?

Anyways, Bernie would not have won a general election. He can't even win a primary. This one, the last one, none of them. 

If Warren would have ran the last time she would have trampled him. If Joe would have ran last time he would have also been ahead of him. 

Anyways. I'm pretty sure we'll see the polls in about a week to see what happenes after this debate. 

 

As citizens, we shouldn't have to bend to the will of the corrupted system. It's not our fault the voting system doesn't allow everyone to cast a vote that "counts". It's usually a settling for less situation with many people. This is why we need a ranked voting system. Nobody is wrong or contributing to Donald Trumps re-election if they vote third party. The DNC will have already done that if they hand-pick the nominee again. 

You're dead wrong about Bernie. He would have won in a general election. Hillary is not trusted by 68% of Americans, the only way she got to the top of that election  was by using her massive amount of power over the DNC. I can find you that poll, I just saw it yesterday, and the general was still pretty much 50/50, then concluded by the electoral college. I'd love to see Hillary's 2016 campaign trying to survive on grassroots support. Let's also remember Bernie's name recognition and campaign movement 4 years ago. Now, he's pulling crowds with 33,000 people and also streaming rallies on social media with thousands of more viewers. //

I want Bernie to take the gloves off with Warren. Nina Turner already roasted Warren at one of Bernie's recent debates. He's gotta do it. Warren is aligned with Hillary Clinton. That will only ensure us another Trump like figure in 2024.

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54 minutes ago, Bae said:

As citizens, we shouldn't have to bend to the will of the corrupted system. It's not our fault the voting system doesn't allow everyone to cast a vote that "counts". It's usually a settling for less situation with many people. This is why we need a ranked voting system. Nobody is wrong or contributing to Donald Trumps re-election if they vote third party. The DNC will have already done that if they hand-pick the nominee again. 

You're dead wrong about Bernie. He would have won in a general election. Hillary is not trusted by 68% of Americans, the only way she got to the top of that election  was by using her massive amount of power over the DNC. I can find you that poll, I just saw it yesterday, and the general was still pretty much 50/50, then concluded by the electoral college. I'd love to see Hillary's 2016 campaign trying to survive on grassroots support. Let's also remember Bernie's name recognition and campaign movement 4 years ago. Now, he's pulling crowds with 33,000 people and also streaming rallies on social media with thousands of more viewers. //

I want Bernie to take the gloves off with Warren. Nina Turner already roasted Warren at one of Bernie's recent debates. He's gotta do it. Warren is aligned with Hillary Clinton. That will only ensure us another Trump like figure in 2024.

I'm not going to rebuke your statement because this is an old thread and we've hashed out alot about Hillary I the past week since this thread.

But, can I just say I love love love Nina Turner. If Bernie wins she should be his VP.  She has so much energy and so much life. I love hearing her speak.