It's okay to criticize Gaga.

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7 minutes ago, Nino said:

Notice how you were sarcastic and off topic TWICE in one page of a serious thread 

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50 minutes ago, Nino said:

I agree and disagree. I think people who are still clinging on to dead versions of Gaga that she's put to rest need to move on, however I think it's totally okay for somebody who stans Gaga the rock star lady to come into a thread about a song like Why Did You Do That and just say they don't like it and why, because it just makes sense they wouldn't, and they just want to express their feelings.  When it crosses the line imo is when it's all a person does. 

Yeah, I completely agree with you there. 

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I agree. 

I'm am tired hearing a so g the begs a man to give her one reason to stay when she has a million to leave. 

I'm like well F that. Give me one reason to go and I'm like, "Thank you. Next."

But I still love how amazingly talented she is. 

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It's okay to criticize if it's done respectfully.

Well, I will throw it out there that half the stuff I've seen is just tearing her apart with no constructive criticism. Some of the stuff I've read is just so vile, no wonder she is detached from social media.

It feels like some just like to complain about her all the time and that's tiresome. So I ask, if you dislike what she has done, why waste your time? There has to be something else in life that brings you happiness. Some people are just so toxic towards her and it's ridiculous. 

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18 minutes ago, SEXODUS said:

Through your own words though, a fan reacting like "what is this mess?" to an artist's product already implies that there is a past product of that artist that envisions what a quality product (which we should all agree to be pretty subjective) should be like for that said person. That is per se a criticism: referring to a past product, with all it's strengths and qualities, and saying that they're lost on said new product that they're now criticising. I'm pretty sure all of the people that criticize on something have a "gut" feeling on what's wrong about the new product, but most of the time it's just too difficult to put into words, so it goes without saying... but I assure you the critic is there everytime. Of course, then, it's also completely normal for people who appreciate that newer product to not understand on what grounds that person is basing their criticism on, and instead of trying to have an healthy conversation about it, insults are an easier way to deal with all this.

As for the whole tendecy of some fans to remain "stuck" on specific eras of an artist, I really think it's something they (I might say we even) have a right to do. As a fan, I might shed tears on an album, grow up with the message that's delivered, find joy and awe in a performance or particular aspects of that era, and it's perfectly fine for me to want to have a similar experience again and to be disappointed if, instead, what I get is something I'm not naturally drawn in. That could be because of the message of that era, the looks of that era, the sound of that era, the place one's in their life during that era. It doesn't take anything out of you being a fan of that artist.

Once again, through your own words, it's because Gaga is such a versatile artist that there's more than a chance for her to temporarily evolve into something that doesn't meet everyone's tastes or expectations. And you can't blame this on fans not liking change or accepting that she can "grow" as an artist, because she has been evolving since day one. She evolved from Fame to The Fame Monster, from TFM to BTW, from BTW to ARTPOP, from ARTPOP to C2C and ASIB. I wasn't here for Joanne, but I'm here for ASIB and all of her previous work. It's not that I don't accept her fully as an artist, I just don't accept certain aspects of her or what she's done. 

We just have to accept that things are not that simple and we, as people, aren't either. 

 

I'm sorry, but the first paragraph is kind of a stretch. Yes, by saying "what kind of mess is this" or something to that effect, sure, I guess it implies that the person critiquing Gaga finds something in that particular piece of work that doesn't match up with something in the past, but that's reading way too much into a simple message that was meant to garner LMAO reactions or something. The part I do agree with, though, is that likewise while it's easy for someone to just blatantly insult Gaga, it's also just as easy to scream "YAAAAAASSSSSS GAGA!" to anything good she does too. 

As I said in my previous post, it's absolutely a fan's right to "look at an era through another era's lens", but what I'm saying is that it's important to be cautious when doing that. Absolutely, there are times where I personally did not like something Gaga did because I thought that something else she did in the past was superior, but I also had to recognize that perhaps this era was just not for me or something and move on. I'm not saying that you didn't do that, because obviously in your post you said you did; I'm just talking in general terms.

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Dissenting opinions are 100% as long as they're respectful towards Gaga as an artist and a person.

She's her own woman with her own career and she can do what she pleases with it. Do you have to like it? No. Can you say you don't like it? Yeah. Can you insult Gaga and/or her team for it? No

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49 minutes ago, SimplyTheBest said:

This is probably one of the best post I've read here.

1- No you don't have to like everything she does and most of us won't since she changes all the time.

2- If you don't like what she's doing, you have the right to say it but there's a way of doing it. You look at the situation, you criticize it in a constructive way without sounding rude or like a hater. It is possible to disagree respectfully if we are willing to!

This.  Otherwise, the criticism seems like hatred towards Gaga and becomes a personal attack on Gaga herself.

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Regardless of what she does and releases, I will always love Lady Gaga.

 

That being said, I don't like everything she's done. But even the things she's done that I don't like (ARTPOP is my least favorite album by her), I still appreciate every thing she's done because I am a fan of a woman that is constantly giving me something different. I respect and admire her so much for that.

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1 hour ago, Nino said:

With some of the stuff floating around the forums with regards to her voice, LG6, A Star Is Born, and the path of her career in general, some people get really heated about criticisms of Gaga.

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1 minute ago, ProjectJoanne said:

Your impact  The Lady Gaga of being a Lady Gaga fan

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2 minutes ago, Nino said:

Your impact  The Lady Gaga of being a Lady Gaga fan

Thank you? What do I say? 

OT: I agree completely, we're only going backwards if we can't accept points of views 

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Sure, agreed, but do it respectfully.

Saying her voice is "unbearable to hear" is not a valid/constructive criticism in any shape or form, thats just being unnecessarily harsh, and narrowminded, its an insult and its no different from the words haters use

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4 minutes ago, Adakam said:

Sure, agreed, but do it respectfully.

Saying her voice is "unbearable to hear" is not a valid/constructive criticism in any shape or form, thats just being unnecessarily harsh, and narrowminded, its an insult and its no different from the words haters use

Seems pretty disrespectful 

Considering you didn't even know what I was talking about when I said Unbearable. I was saying how I find it hard to listen to her latest technique of singing without think about it effecting her vocal chords, unbearable, it's not just a hate word.