Leaving Neverland draws huge audience for HBO

[Kimmo 80,968]

Ok that long post should be in a spoiler. It almost gave me a headache 

[arrtpop 2,751]

Michael is definitely a very very creepy man, but I don't know about how far he went with the boys. its sad to think anything happened at all but if we find out something happened for sure, I wouldn't be shocked at all.

[OliverViennese 1,164]

MJ fans say "Facts don't lie, people do"? I hate to break it to them, but so many "facts" that they are posting are just hot air and some simply irrelevant to the case.

They really hold on to this whole "ThEy SwOrE uNdEr OaTh ThAt NoThInG hApPeNeD". Guess what Mimi, that is neither a proof for MJs innocence, nor is it surprising or unheard of. Kesha swore that she wasn't abused by Dr. Puke and a person who was abused protecting the abuser or denying abuse for many years; that is a common thing. There are multiple psychological reasons for it and it is a well researched thing.

Facts don't lie? Welp, fact of the matter is that MJ was a grown man who slept in a bed with children that weren't his and that he wasn't related to for years. It should be common sense that that is weird. And don't give me this "hE wAs A cHiLd HiMsElF"-bullshit. No, he was not. He was a grown man. And those were kids that he took with him, travelling the world while holding hands.

And why are all these copy and paste "facts" telling me that MJ phoned Ryan White? Who cares and what has that to do with anything?!

There is a lot to be skeptic about and no one can truly know if he was or was not innocent of the alleged crimes except for him and those boys BUT there has been some serious wrongdoings on his behalf and I'm not going to discuss this with his "fans" because they behave like some weird cult!

[Ryusei 61,110]

8 minutes ago, monster4life231 said:

If you was referencing people like me that are defending MJ, we're not bots, and we have rational thoughts. We just have an opinion that is different to yours.

 

8 minutes ago, misunderstood said:

Pressed that people are actually using their brains and not blindly believing victims?

No, anyone who believes the whole spiel of: he was so innocent and did so much good (great front for nobody being suspicious of you dont you think?) and he was like a child trapped in an adult's body excuse doesnt have much rational thought in this matter in my book. Again even if no sexual assault ever occurred it's still f*cked up to have little boys with you at all times and then dropping them like a hot potato the moment some... idek younger and cuter boy comes along???? Highly questionable as well. And any other human being would be heavily judged and immediately labeled a pedophile. if they did what he did. 

I think both accusing him blindly and defending him is wrong because we simply don't know the truth, we can make ourselves a picture of both sides and then have a tendence towards which we lean but we do not know. I havent ever in any of those threads said he's flat out guilty I just think his behavior is highly questionable. He had access to so many people essentially I'm sure there were some other "child-like" adults in the world whom he could have been friends with but he chose little boys, not girls and boys, all his special friends were boys. Ok not weird at all...

[Enzo 37,977]

Whoever said money can't solve your problems must not have had enough money to solve 'em 👀

[LaLuna 12,732]

26 minutes ago, OliverViennese said:

Can MJ fans please STOP? Looking at you @monster4life231

Can people please stop demonizing MJ when he was acquitted and his "victims" are obviously lying?

[Gov Hooka 8,008]

I respect the victims enough to listen to their story, support them, and believe their feelings. I cannot ever truly know the truth and won’t try and judge MJ’s innocence or judge the veracity of the victim’s accouts, but I will still believe the survivors to a certain extent. The point of this documentary wasn’t about MJ but moreso the dangers involved with pedophilia and sociopathic manipulation of children. MJ may be innocent and even if you believe that, you shouldn’t rush to ignore all the other points made in the documentary. I’m a huge MJ fan and what many of his fans are doing is so abhorrent and disrespectful to the victims. I’m still going to believe the victims even though there is always a sliver of doubt in my mind, probably since I am a fan, as to whether MJ really did sexual things with them. Believe and support survivors period.

[Fame IV 4,426]

Of course. This was made mainly because of the ratings and money.

[Defmix100 6,418]

34 minutes ago, blackstar said:

I don't believe this documentary tbh... if FBI failed to prove that he was a pedophile, how is it possible for some documentary to do the otherwise

I'm about 3 hours in and genuinely don't know if I believe it or not. But in terms of FBI, not being able to prove something doesn't mean it isn't true. Let's say you or I or someone we know was doing something sexual with kids, unless they tape it or take pictures how else would anyone prove it happened years ago? And someone in the limelight would be even more careful to not get caught (you would think)

[Horatii 46]

It's amazing how if the things you guys are saying about this situation were said about any female accusers you'd be shunned and shamed. This was all a publicity stunt by those nasty lying men... but all the other accusations were real and you better believe them!1!11 

I'm not sure if it's because Michael Jackson is so adored or if male accusers are just less respected. Probably both.

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4 minutes ago, Horatii said:

It's amazing how if the things you guys are saying about this situation were said about any female accusers you'd be shunned and shamed. This was all a publicity stunt by those nasty lying men... but all the other accusations were real and you better believe them!1!11 

I'm not sure if it's because Michael Jackson is so adored or if male accusers are just less respected. Probably both.

Nah honey I use my brain for both.

[AbraChromatica 339]

People will form their own opinions. Some will think MJ was a creep, some will find him mentally unstable but innocent. Some will think the guys in this doc are being honest and some will find them fake.

As someone who has researched and studied the matter and the people in question for several years, i find MJ innocent. Not a normal man, but a pure minded man who was too naive and too stubborn at times. That’s my opinion. I don’t expect everyone to agree. 

However, I can’t say it doesn’t hurt a bit seeing the arguing between monsters and MJ fans every time I come in here. So I’m going to leave this forum for a while.

But. You’re both arguing for good causes: 1. For child abuse victims and 2. For someone you believe is innocent. Both are honorable 💕Just wanted to say that.

[Ack1234 512]

People saying they r lying BUT wot if not ? Don't think we will ever find out the truth and no matter how long ago it was if u was mj would u put yourself it that position in the first place ?

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5 minutes ago, Jacksonotta said:

People will form their own opinions. Some will think MJ was a creep, some will find him mentally unstable but innocent. Some will think the guys in this doc are being honest and some will find them fake.

As someone who has researched and studied the matter and the people in question for several years, i find MJ innocent. Not a normal man, but a pure minded man who was too naive and too stubborn at times. That’s my opinion. I don’t expect everyone to agree. 

However, I can’t say it doesn’t hurt a bit seeing the arguing between monsters and MJ fans every time I come in here. So I’m going to leave this forum for a while.

But. You’re both arguing for good causes: 1. For child abuse victims and 2. For someone you believe is innocent. Both are honorable 💕Just wanted to say that.

This is a great response

[LuvitLevit 639]

This whole thing is sad.  I've met Wade Robson years ago (when he was doing his show "Wade Robson Project"). Talented dancer, prideful story teller, frequent name dropper.  Talked about everyone he worked with (Michael, Nsync, etc.) often.  Seemed like a nice enough guy, very aware of his surroundings and liked being in the limelight. That said, I find it odd how he suddenly "remembered" after the birth of his son that Michael inappropriately touched him.  My father (who has never been a fan of MJ) also said the same as he thought that obvious...Michael was DAMN sure strange and creepy, but he was FAR from stupid. He and Wade had not remained in contact over the years as Wade went on to his successful career as a choreographer.  This is often the case with many dancers, plus he wasn't Michael's personal choreographer.  That said, when he was used as a witness, he was not someone at the time who spoke with Michael still everyday.  He was a grown man. While I understand everyone may have a different experience, the coincidence of not having the opportunity to be part of the MJ cirque de soliel is pretty alarming, and honestly, obvious.  I was personally inappropriately touched as a child by a trusted family friend.  I did NOT speak out of fear, nor did I take time to defend him.  After going through therapy, my goal was not to sue the dude, but to make it known to him what he did.  Confront him. Many people forget that Wade attempted to sue the estate.  I've seen the documentary (all 4 hourd) and watched with an open mind (not as a fan or non fan).  In my opinion, I truly feel that Michael did not touch these boys.  I'm not saying he was a perfect angel, nor am I saying he was normal, nor am I using the not growing up excuse. I'm speaking from the perspective of a man who was once a boy who was molested.  I stand with my fellow victims, truly.  However, I stand against those trying to exploit.  It's embarrassing to go through.  And while I understand and hear about "they weren't paid for the documentary," doesn't mean they weren't paid at all.  Again, he attempted to sue the estate.  This is my opinion.