JR Gg 12,985 Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 Y'all make it sound as if all the songs and albums in the general field are voted in by the Academy voters. No, a Blue Ribbon Committee selected 5/ 6 nominees from Top 20/25 popular votes which are listed alphabetically. Album Of The Year Melodrama 4:44 Awaken, My Love! 24K Magic DAMN. Record Of The Year The Story of OJ. Redbone 24K Magic HUMBLE. Despacito Song Of The Year 4:44 Redbone Issues Despacito That's What I Like 1800-273-8255 The ones I bolded, I'm certain the BRC strategically placed them amongst the nominees. I'm not saying they aren't quality albums or songs, but they don't have the popular vote. C'mon, very few people know who Childish Gambino is. He only had one hit, Redbone. The same goes for 4:44, which had no hit at all. Both are acclaimed, but they won't be able to gather enough popular vote to get them to the next round. Melodrama is the most obvious one. It was snubbed in Pop Vocal Album because Pop doesn't have a committee and is based on popular vote. BRC placed Melodrama in AOTY strategically. If it isn't obvious enough, they're trying to push a diversity agenda here. Not saying black artists don't deserve it, but they don't represent what the voters voted for. The committee needs to undergo a change, immediately because this isn't fair. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryhanna 3,507 Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 Gambino's pretty big. He might not have a lot of hit singles, but he's pretty damn big. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCgaga 4,324 Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 Just don’t pander to anywone. Reward art that deserves it. This ****ing censorship is the end of Art as we know it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anastasios 573 Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 I am SO happy Donald glover gets nominations for best record, he really serves it. <3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgirlmeat 3,243 Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 On 28/11/2017 at 3:18 PM, Darrel said: I can't believe this sh*t, to be honest. Black artists can't be recognized because the responses are always the same "SJW pandering" "Diversity just for the sake of diversity" "It doesn't make any sense". It's like non-white people can't be excellent. WHAT THE ACTUAL F*CK. Gaga deserved SOTY and Jay-Z's nominations are trash, but that's it. The rest is fine. Ed was snubbed and that's amazing. He's trash. Harry Styles wasn't nominated. That's ok. Dua Lipa/Demi/Miley weren't nominated. That's ok. Katy was snubbed. Witness was ****. Despacito was nominated because its success is out of this world and that's ok. The nominations this year are pretty decent. I don't understand the complains (except for Gaga and MR/SOTY). agree, but Jay-Z being nominated is fine because his album was acclaimed and had moderate success. the only complain about that is that he maybe got too many (ROTY ) in comparison to Kendrick or Lorde who were more succesful (Lorde in critical acclaim) and Gaga really deserved SOTY, but at least she was taken into account and got some noms. instead of Issues they could have chosen MR or Green Light, but it is a fine song. Lorde definitely deserved more, it's weird that she got AOTY and nothing else, usually the music nominated for the big 4 appear in a lot of categories. 🤠 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FRANZGA 13,920 Posted November 30, 2017 Author Share Posted November 30, 2017 also notice how MELODRAMA nominated in AOTY (deserved tho imho) not being nominated in BPVA and Issues nominated in SOTY but not in BPSP. o wow, maybe they just diversified the blue ribbon committee it seems.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robboadam 2,250 Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 17 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said: I review music. I listen to lots of albums a year. I have a broad musical taste. Rap is one of my favourite genres. And I still think this is a blatant attempt at diversification. If it were the other way around and it was 4 pop albums by whites nominated for AOTY, you'd be saying it was a very different story. Good albums can only be made by blacks, apparently. Diversity matters more than good music, apparently. What are you even saying, sis? The 5 albums we got were 5 albums that were critically-acclaimed, end of. Tbf, 24K Magic wasn't acclaimed, but it was still a solid album that got 2 pretty big hits and sold a lot. And I've seen albums nominated for AOTY for less than that. I'm sorry, but just cause you didn't like the albums (which, again, were acclaimed) doesn't mean the Grammys didn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocketNumberNine 610 Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 money always wins..... ım always tell you ''she needs celling'' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redstreak 6,653 Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 On 11/28/2017 at 1:28 PM, Ziggy said: It is, though. The change-up sounds like they brought in diversity to give everyone a fighting chance and many of those albums are great. Personally, I loved 4:44, DAMN., Gambino and SZA. They were all very well received. By contrast, someone like Gaga got so so reviews except for Million Reasons which has been widely praised. These nominations feel pretty accurate to where music was in 2017 imo. Even Ed Sheeran, who everyone thought would dominate didn’t and that’s partly because his album really wasn’t that critically well received. To me, this lineup of nominees feels more honest than ever. Major black artists have been bringing it the past few years and this feels like a list that finally recognizes that. Ok but this isn’t that great of an argument when there are better reviewed albums that didn’t get nominated. And as much as y’all don’t like it commercial success DOES play a factor in what album defines the year. Gambino and Jay-Z should not be up for AOTY Take a moment to think of just flexibility, love, and trust~ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy 11,865 Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 1 hour ago, Redstreak said: Ok but this isn’t that great of an argument when there are better reviewed albums that didn’t get nominated. And as much as y’all don’t like it commercial success DOES play a factor in what album defines the year. Gambino and Jay-Z should not be up for AOTY Yeah but they may not have been submitted for consideration. Commercial success does play a factor especially in visibility of submissions and nominations, but shouldn’t in the actual award as they say it doesn’t. Im not saying whether those albums should or should not be nominated as that’s an opinion, but im saying that their nomination is not entirely about compensating for a lack of black visibility. That’s insulting to the hard work put in by everyone involved in those projects and flat out wrong when both of those albums received wide praise from the music community. It isn’t like these were amigos or some shitty album. These were very very well received. I see this as the Grammy’s recognizing the rise of black artists over the past few years. They keep making albums that resonate and always make the year end lists yet get shafted at the awards. This is recognizing that cultural shift. I have a feeling Kelela will get nominated for something next year if she submits as her album follows suit being absolutely fantastic and innovative. This isn’t really special treatment when the community has praised these albums. It’s proper treatment honestly recognizing where we are at and what the music industry looks like nowadays. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrawberryBlond 14,872 Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 On 11/30/2017 at 3:58 AM, phantasmas said: yall are a mess the Recording Academy has been becoming more diverse every year by bringing in diverse members, opening categories, and making voting more accessible to its members yall will continue to see blacks and poc be nominated whether u like it or not, whether u think they deserve it or not, and you will just have to deal https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/grammys/8053708/grammy-nominations-2018-recording-academy-neil-portnow-surprises-diversity By "diverse," it pretty much just means "people of colour." You don't see much diversity in gender of nominees, age of nominees, sexual orientation of nominees and especially not diversity in nationality of nominees. It's an American's game above all else. So, yeah, diversity means a lot more than just "more than one race." But somehow, it's the only kind of diversity that matters in 2017. On 11/30/2017 at 4:03 PM, robboadam said: What are you even saying, sis? The 5 albums we got were 5 albums that were critically-acclaimed, end of. Tbf, 24K Magic wasn't acclaimed, but it was still a solid album that got 2 pretty big hits and sold a lot. And I've seen albums nominated for AOTY for less than that. I'm sorry, but just cause you didn't like the albums (which, again, were acclaimed) doesn't mean the Grammys didn't. Views by Drake got nominated last year and it only got a 69 on Metacritic. Pharrell got nominated for GRL back in 2015 and that only got a 67 on Metacritic. Bruno, again, got Doowops and Hooligans nominated back in 2012 and that only had 61 on Metacritic. Before then, there were also nominations for Beyonce and Black Eyed Peas despite critical acclaim in the low 60's as well. Some of those scores are lower than Joanne but Gaga didn't get nominated. There were albums by white artists that were critically acclaimed as well but didn't get nominated. The academy, for one, seem to mysteriously block out all the good albums coming from outside America with the exception of major phenomenons and categories where they have no option but to have non-Americans (Hispanic music categories and suchlike). International albums, no matter how well acclaimed, rarely, if ever, make it to the Grammys. The academy only thinks that acts successful and relevant in America should matter. Most British people watch the Grammys in a state of "who are these people?" Good music is about a whole lot more than what's happening in America. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FRANZGA 13,920 Posted December 2, 2017 Author Share Posted December 2, 2017 7 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said: By "diverse," it pretty much just means "people of colour." You don't see much diversity in gender of nominees, age of nominees, sexual orientation of nominees and especially not diversity in nationality of nominees. It's an American's game above all else. So, yeah, diversity means a lot more than just "more than one race." But somehow, it's the only kind of diversity that matters in 2017. o wow sis, PREACH Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantasmas 10,584 Posted December 2, 2017 Share Posted December 2, 2017 20 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said: By "diverse," it pretty much just means "people of colour." You don't see much diversity in gender of nominees, age of nominees, sexual orientation of nominees and especially not diversity in nationality of nominees. It's an American's game above all else. So, yeah, diversity means a lot more than just "more than one race." But somehow, it's the only kind of diversity that matters in 2017. i was referring to the members of the recording academy the committees are no longer made up of old white dudes, who would more likely than not, disregard blacks and poc in the past Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrawberryBlond 14,872 Posted December 2, 2017 Share Posted December 2, 2017 2 hours ago, phantasmas said: i was referring to the members of the recording academy the committees are no longer made up of old white dudes, who would more likely than not, disregard blacks and poc in the past But that's exactly what I'm referring to. The idea that non-white committee members will make for more poc getting nominated/winning. It's quite insulting really - thinking that the only people being interested in music from poc will be other poc. I think white people need to be given a bit more credit here. Clearly, black music wouldn't have been ruling the charts this year if white people weren't also buying it. And white people have sometimes outnumbered black people at rap concerts. Fair enough thinking that old academy members might be a bit behind with the times on the rap scene but to suggest that poc will be interested in rap music even if they're old as well doesn't quite gel. The older black generation tends to prefer soul and jazz when it comes to traditional black music, not the contemporary rap from 20 somethings. I'm sure younger academy members in general will help, not just non-white ones. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantasmas 10,584 Posted December 2, 2017 Share Posted December 2, 2017 16 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said: But that's exactly what I'm referring to. The idea that non-white committee members will make for more poc getting nominated/winning. It's quite insulting really - thinking that the only people being interested in music from poc will be other poc. I think white people need to be given a bit more credit here. Clearly, black music wouldn't have been ruling the charts this year if white people weren't also buying it. And white people have sometimes outnumbered black people at rap concerts. Fair enough thinking that old academy members might be a bit behind with the times on the rap scene but to suggest that poc will be interested in rap music even if they're old as well doesn't quite gel. The older black generation tends to prefer soul and jazz when it comes to traditional black music, not the contemporary rap from 20 somethings. I'm sure younger academy members in general will help, not just non-white ones. gurl, what?? i cant read the tone of this but i feel like your misconstruing a lot of my opinions and (those of others and the gp) with your own and i didnt even say much lol ...besides saying its obvious a diverse committee makes for a diverse nominations list and we should be celebrating that no one is saying that white people dont listen to music from non white people either... and yeah, in some situations white people do contribute more to the success of nonwhites..but you shouldnt use those situations to want to solely credit white people lol no ones going to give white people credit for contributing to something that they should have been contributing to and appreciating a long time ago.. such committees in the past have been known to be biased against nonwhites and this is what im getting at... nonwhites are sometimes needed in these spaces for diversity to happen and i dont think thats something you should be insulted about i would just like for people to remember that this years nominations would not have looked like this decades ago im not gonna get into the noms tho cos i dont really care as long as we all appreciate the art when we analyze it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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