PoshLife 16,998 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 1 hour ago, bumblebee said: Literally the same thing I was going to write, so proud to share the view of my president. I am going to be roasted for this probably, too, but here we come. We all seem to be quite forgetful about the fact that no court has ever ruled against Dr. Luke. None of the bad things said about him or anything he has been accused of were proven in court. That's firstly. Secondly, we also ingore the fact we can't check any information that is being spread about him. Like there's no way. No hard evidence. We have to listen to sides of the conflict and try to morally verify the information, yes, but there are no tapes, no texts, nothing to ever prove him guilty. Which brings us to the final point - it is the question of blind faith. Basically the part of internet is angry with Ellie Goulding pairing with a legally innocent man (and he is innocent since no court has proven him guilty) because they believe he is an abuser (but they can't present any evidence that would prove it). I am not trying to justify him or support him, and this is not victimblaming or something, but I am just reminding everyone that the whole case is extremely complicated and there is still a chance that he is innocent. But if you're going to remind us that the case is complicated, I'll remind you that our legal system as it functions now makes it extremely difficult - not to mention embarrassing and traumatic - for a woman to successfully bring a rape case against a man who has sexually abused her, even when there are witnesses. Brock Turner is just one recent example. Women have to run through the gauntlet, deal with endless delays, be publicly embarrassed (one of my friends had to explain to a judge what "an*l penetration" is in front of everyone else in the court at the time), and constantly be questioned about how they may have brought it upon themselves. False allegations of rape are so rare as to be newsworthy, and the fact that they get that media attention makes it even harder for women who have really been assaulted to be taken seriously. You're right - there often aren't tapes, texts, or other forms of evidence to prove someone raped you. Our justice system doesn't always result in justice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bumblebee 2,528 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 21 minutes ago, CrazyMonster said: Since you're all so smart, how can you prove sexual abuse and all these other things he's been accused of? there are court cases where sexual abuse was proved and court cases which have ruled in favor of the victims of the sexual abuse. Kesha's case has been such that to present hard evidence is nearly impossible and thus all we have to do if we don't want to stay indifferent to the situation is to choose to trust her or to trust Dr. Luke. I don't know Kesha as a person, I even don't have any idea about who she is as an artist and I can't expect myself to trust a complete stranger and boycott Dr. Luke's goods and music because of what she says about him and what she accuses him of. I am going on to enjoy her music if she releases new cool stuff, and if Dr. Luke has some new artist with new music I might want to give it a try. If she were not a complete stranger to me, I would surely sing a different song. If I had personal grounds to believe her even without hard evidence, I would call Dr. Luke a rapist and an abuser, but I don't have those personal grounds. This may be merciless and hypocritical, but at least it's sensible to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxe Ford 3,481 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 WOKE TO THE CORE much? What happens in Luxe Ford stays in Luxe Ford Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bumblebee 2,528 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 1 minute ago, PoshLife said: But if you're going to remind us that the case is complicated, I'll remind you that our legal system as it functions now makes it extremely difficult - not to mention embarrassing and traumatic - for a woman to successfully bring a rape case against a man who has sexually abused her, even when there are witnesses. Brock Turner is just one recent example. Women have to run through the gauntlet, deal with endless delays, be publicly embarrassed (one of my friends had to explain to a judge what "**** penetration" is in front of everyone else in the court at the time), and constantly be questioned about how they may have brought it upon themselves. False allegations of rape are so rare as to be newsworthy, and the fact that they get that media attention makes it even harder for women who have really been assaulted to be taken seriously. You're right - there often aren't tapes, texts, or other forms of evidence to prove someone raped you. Our justice system doesn't always result in justice. I am ready to stand by every word which you have written, because the legal system which is based on the idea of factual evidence, courts and lawyers can't be broad enough to grasp the matters of rape and all the cases of rape. Since it's so hard to prove abuse that happened with witnesses, I can't believe what a turmoil it is to prove an assault that happened without a single witness. Our justice system doesn't always result in justice, but what are we to do then? Should we switch to lynching every time our legal system can't protect everyone and come for the good sis Ellie Goulding for recording an ads campaign for the company which hardly ever shares anything in common with the mentality of the alleged abuser (apart from the fact that he owns or co-owns it)? It's like a trial by crowd and Ellie has been getting too much hate for it, and often some disgusting messages Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cacaca 1,213 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 She signs up for any commercial - honestly, she does shampoo, footwear, department stores. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gagaslefttatoo 264 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 basic singer. all i know about her music is "ft XXX" that"s it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miky 9,491 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 Innocent until proven guilty. Also, she is basic af. That's all I have to say for now. Too many people here with moral superiority complex. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laceface 2,964 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 Never liked her, so overrated here in the UK and her voice is like nails on a chalk board. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbit Heart 617 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 Good! Never liked her. She has nothing more to offer than that raspy voice and even that is bad live! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronk 14,762 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 6 hours ago, bumblebee said: Literally the same thing I was going to write, so proud to share the view of my president. I am going to be roasted for this probably, too, but here we come. We all seem to be quite forgetful about the fact that no court has ever ruled against Dr. Luke. None of the bad things said about him or anything he has been accused of were proven in court. That's firstly. Secondly, we also ingore the fact we can't check any information that is being spread about him. Like there's no way. No hard evidence. We have to listen to sides of the conflict and try to morally verify the information, yes, but there are no tapes, no texts, nothing to ever prove him guilty. Which brings us to the final point - it is the question of blind faith. Basically the part of internet is angry with Ellie Goulding pairing with a legally innocent man (and he is innocent since no court has proven him guilty) because they believe he is an abuser (but they can't present any evidence that would prove it). I am not trying to justify him or support him, and this is not victimblaming or something, but I am just reminding everyone that the whole case is extremely complicated and there is still a chance that he is innocent. In the absence of hard evidence, consider this: Those artists who broke ranks with Luke know Kesha and know what she is or isn't capable of as a person. So many artists are supporting Kesha because they know what she is like as a person. That says a lot. I live outside the space time continuum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HANZ 4,380 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 she probably doesn't even know what happened My Favs = Lady Gaga, Janet Jackson, Ricky Martin, AKB48 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominic 11,922 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 2 hours ago, Laceface said: Never liked her, so overrated here in the UK and her voice is like nails on a chalk board. The hardest thing in this world is to live in it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bumblebee 2,528 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 16 minutes ago, Ronk said: In the absence of hard evidence, consider this: Those artists who broke ranks with Luke know Kesha and know what she is or isn't capable of as a person. So many artists are supporting Kesha because they know what she is like as a person. That says a lot. I see your point, but I will try to explain why I resent to believe they all actually know her as a person. They are more like sportsmen who belong to the same tour, have to attend same events and stuff, thus we believe they are "friends". We don't know that Kesha and Adele have been friends for long. We even have no record of Gaga talking to Kesha or communicating with her prior to the case. These artists are choosing to side with her, to trust her, they are expressing their opinion, just like we do - the difference is that they have platforms and are regarded as influential. I am sure there are many executives who support Dr. Luke as well - we must not take that as an argument for his innocence, right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laceface 2,964 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 16 minutes ago, Dominic Marc said: Sorry Dominic, it's one of those days Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
djBuffoon 12,123 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 Her voice is rubbish anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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