Katy Perry - Bon Appétit ft. Migos

[ItsTommyBitch 12,640]

1 minute ago, StrawberryBlond said:

Not to be too off-topic here, but did you really have to say that a black woman would give her the tea? There's no one race who can educate people. Whites can perfectly explain an issue if they are educated on it, even if they are not the oppressed group. I don't believe in this "whitesplaining" nonsense as long as the right information is said. I have no problem with men talking about female issues so long as they know their stuff. To even suggest that certain races are better at teaching than others is a bit, you know...

Bit surprised you like the song. The lyrics are sexist tripe and Katy's voice sounds awful, especially on that flat-sounding bridge.

But I see you liked my post, so I'm glad we have eventually seen eye to eye on it. And no, like I said before, being against the objectification of women does not make you PC/SJW. It's sad that feminism has become associated with that side of society. It was here long before SJWism was. Incidentially, I think if it was a black woman who was singing this, people would be outraged and call it racist. But because it's happening to a white woman, it's all well and good, just a fun pop video. What's the harm? I have seen so much sexism towards white women be brushed off/laughed at/applauded but when the same thing happens to a black woman, people lose their minds.

I was referring to the fact that  media referring to Katy's path to "wokeness" this era, a term which is a phrase that comes from black lingo and is jokingly referenced in black social circles on places like twitter. "Black Twitter" comes to mind. I don't think I implied only black people or only women can educate people on social issues, I certainly don't believe that. I was really more trying to convey that one random person with no credentials that just spends their time on twitter is probably more knowledgable about social issues than whoever is in Katy's inner circle. The choice of it as a black woman was related to the fact that it was "twitter" and this is about objectification. 

I don't love the song, but I think its not like, the worst song she's ever made like some people act like it is  Music is often times problematic, and I can separate out what media I consume based on its level of toxicity. My first critique of a song is usually just based on its musical merits, then what i know about the artist, the message, etc. informs whether It is a song that is "fun to listen to" or "important" or "special" in my mind  

Also, was totally kidding about the PC SJW thing  Referring to the fact that having any nuanced opinion on a social issue makes you one according to many people on the internet, especially on this website  

[baptism 2,670]

This is one of the worst videos I have ever seen. I feel sorry and sad for her after watching this video and I feel like that wasn't the goal.

[God Control 2,181]

2 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

1. If you put a negative idea out into the world and glorify it for whatever reason, you are helping to make this message acceptable. That's why you have to be so careful when you make videos that are darkly sarcastic. You've got to do it right. If Katy truly intended to create a social message here, she failed because it promotes nothing but negativity.

2. I already said that not everyone who watches it won't be able to tell fantasy and reality apart. But the images stay lodged in their head and because they appeal to the sexual receptors in their brain, they may start to find these images titillating in the most morbid way. I have some dark fantasies of my own and I know that they come from some of the vile messages society sends to us. No matter how much I wouldn't condone these actions in genuine reality, it makes me feel a bit guilty. But as long as I keep these fantasies to myself or only indulge in them in controlled environments, they can be handled well. But not everyone has their head on their shoulders. Some will think when it comes to sex, anything goes. I don't care if someone willingly put themselves forward to have themselves presented like this. 3. The fact that there are women out there who are happy to take on this role upsets me. And yes, 4. violent p*rn is a huge problem that is the result of the toxic messages that the media sends us about male sexual dominance and female inferiority. If such messages were not sent, there wouldn't be a demand for such videos. Demand for this didn't just come from nowhere.

It doesn't matter if this is all acting. 5. Culture sends messages, whether it's factual or imagined culture. And there's such a thing as implication.

1. It all depends on the recipient. The artist shouldn't be held accountable for putting something that people misunderstood or imitated, because a music video should be treated as a music video. By that logic, James Bond movies should be banned because they promote violence, same goes for most if not all video games, **** movies need to cease to exist..etc. What needs to happen isn't that these stuff fade away but we need to be able to tell the difference between what's real and what's not. We all watched Tom and Jerry and Speedy Gonzalez..etc. where they almost kill each other or step in the void but do not fall until they look down. We didn't imitate them, so there's no reason why should imitate music videos when we grow up.

2. that's actually their problem because anything can be interpreted into anything. You cannot censor things because someone somewhere might take it way too seriously.

3. It shouldn't because that's them and this is you and we're all responsible for our own actions and lead our own lives as we see fit.

4. You cannot deny that in reality, there are women who enjoy being submissive in sex or men who enjoy that as well (and there's **** for that too) and same goes for gay couples..etc. Sex isn't the same as daily life. Sex is a part and it happens intimately and privately. It isn't something that you decide for other people nor does it show who you are in everyday life. I am not the same person at work or at home or at the mall that I am when I'm having sex. I could enjoy being dominant or submissive, but that doesn't mean that I take my dominance or my submission to my workplace or to the street..etc. 

5. Again, if people are there to learn from music videos, that's their fault. If I shoot somebody because in Call of Duty, we shoot each other, the police will arrest me, not the Call of Duty dev team.

[Ashley 9,704]

21 minutes ago, AlexanderMagno said:

You know what?

 

Gaga should take some notes.

 

This reminds me of Bad Romance, clearly lol I can't believe no one here thought about it!!! Unfortunately, as corny as it might look, it's still better than lots of videos nowadays, And John Wayne was pretty corny (but didn't look as good as this).

What exactly could Gaga take from this video? It's not like it's groundbreaking or anything.

[ItsTommyBitch 12,640]

15 minutes ago, BrothaGaga said:

I applaud the effort, katy. 

I really don't get why the track itself didn't have the proper (vague) context that the video was giving. Delete the video and you have a song about wanting to get spread like a buffet. 

Lily Allen's "Hard Out Here" is a great example of a track that even when separated from the video, delivers is intentions directly.

EXACTLY  Then you have CTTR where there's kind of a message in the song, but it relies on the video to really confirm that its there (and not that well either)

Also, LOVE Lily Allen and that song + video, for all its faults  

[God Control 2,181]

1 minute ago, modern ecstasy said:

What exactly could Gaga take from this video? It's not like it's groundbreaking or anything.

Anything in this music video is better than anything visual she released since G.U.Y.

[Neight Shayde 7,925]

2 minutes ago, ItsTommyBitch said:

Also, LOVE Lily Allen and that song + video, for all its faults  

YES 

[Ashley 9,704]

1 minute ago, Givenchy said:

Anything in this music video is better than anything visual she released since G.U.Y.

I disagree, John Wayne was better. She can still do killer visuals if she wants (if that's what the person I quoted was referring to). She doesn't have to learn or take notes from Katy for that.

[MaryJaneHolland 77,348]

1 minute ago, modern ecstasy said:

I disagree, John Wayne was better. She can still do killer visuals if she wants (if that's what the person I quoted was referring to). She doesn't have to learn or take notes from Katy for that.

It's all up to the director.

/discussion 

[John Slayne 4,154]

well that was... something

Spoiler

Katy sis please just move on... 

 

[Neight Shayde 7,925]

1 minute ago, modern ecstasy said:

I disagree, John Wayne was better. She can still do killer visuals if she wants (if that's what the person I quoted was referring to). She doesn't have to learn or take notes from Katy for that.

It's not like Joanne was intended to be a more simpler album and theme for Gaga. It's not like the minimalist videos weren't the intention for the singles in the first place.

That user doesn't know what he/she's talking about.

John Wayne was given as a little present for fans who complained like little children craving for a crazier aesthetic.

[YeehawKylie 7,817]

I take everything I said back. This music video is pretty great. Decent concept and great execution. The song had already grown on me a bit, but the video took a song that was 'okay' at best and improved upon it. Katy deserves credit for this one. She didn't give up on the single, followed through, and while it may not be her best the video helps elevate it so it's not so far in the distance from the rest of her singles.

We were all so quick to write her off...only complaint is I wish the video used her solo version but I guess Migos were somewhat important to the story.

[Jase 13,400]

Who'd have thought the same Katy Perry who released bubblegum fluffy pop vids like Roar would then go onto release something which triggers rape victims and deals with cannibalism

[Ashley 9,704]

3 minutes ago, MaryJaneHolland said:

It's all up to the director.

/discussion 

What do you mean? That Gaga should work with more professional directors? 

[junolxf 8,654]

So obsessed. What an amazing video, holy f*ck.