Lady Gaga's Sexist Subtext

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1 hour ago, SilkSpectre0 said:

This. Do they know who they Stan? Born this way hello ?? gaga stated herself was about social justice and social activism. Gaga is a feminist.one thing I respect about gaga a lot is that she previously didn't identify as a feminist because she thought it meant man hating. She learnt and she changed and has been vocal ever since about being a feminist 

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4 hours ago, besus said:

LOLOLOLOLOL, girl now you're just trolling. Educate yourself before you say **** like that.

 

27 minutes ago, besus said:

Oh yes, you're so brave for being anti-feminist. Better be careful, you're starting to sound like a full-blown Republican with that logic.

Not anyone who disagree's with you is a Republican! your just trying to put everyone who disagrees with you into one box.. thats a problem because only 17% of Americans identify as a feminist. What @AntiPotCrusader said is true, I can prove it to you if you are interested in that argument. Well I already made that argument, read my comment below 

2 hours ago, AntiPotCrusader said:

Women have more rights than 

men. Female circumcision is banned and they have the right to opt out of parental responsibility. 

Im just going to add a few more to your list

Men get more jail time for the same crimes.. men are not allowed to opt out of being a parent but women are.. women get 80% of child custody.. girls have education systems tailored to their needs making them win over boys in school.. male rape legally did not exist in the law until 2013.. today in the UK, if a woman rapes a man, it's only termed as 'sexual assault,' not rape.. genital mutilation is a crime and illegal for women only.. men are forced to pay alimony for decades.. men are forced to pay child support for someone thats not their child if they move in with a woman for 6 month.. men do not have shelters catered to them while women have them everywhere.. women are 90% less likely to be homeless.. women get government funds for breast cancer yet prostate cancer is a way much higher risk but never gets funded.. men make 80% of suicide victims 92% labor death 97% of combat death 77% of homicide victims.. women ask for equality in stem fields but not in hard jobs like construction where its all men.. women get preferential treatment in a crisis.. if a woman has sex while shes drunk its rape but if the male is the drunk one its not rape.. women who falsely accuse men do not get punished but men who falsely accuse get punished.. It is illegal to discriminate against women but legal to discriminate in favor of women.. men are objectified by how big their penis size is and how much money they make.. women get sympathy if they murder their own children and get the privilege of calling it a natural feeling or mental illness.. men are not allowed to be seated next to a strange child on a plane but women are regardless of the fact the most child molesters are women.. men are not allowed to be in a park if they dont have a child playing in the park but women are.. men aren't allowed to be a support person for women in domestic violence shelters.. only men between the ages of 18 and 25 are required to register for war draft in case of emergency.. when a news report talk about number of deaths, they always say including women and children as if their lives are more important.. Canada and many countries refuse to take in male refugees.. men are taught to be disposables for the state and family.. men are taught to never hit a girl even if she hits him.. men sexual assaults and rape are not taken seriously and is made fun of if they dont enjoy it.. men are taught to hide their emotions or they are not man enough.. I could go on but ill stop here

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3 minutes ago, Gracious Gaga said:

My dear, believe it or not, but it is the "little things" that can stir up big issues.  "Little things" can be powerfully detrimental to people.  You can never tell somebody they're wrong for feeling the way the feel.  What is feel is authentic and honest, certainly not overthought.  It saddens me you think my desires for wanting lady gaga to share a more positive and proactive message about men being able to express their feelings without losing dignity for it is a "waste of time".  Perhaps you as well believe something as simple as crying makes the male gender less of a "man".

Saying 'have some balls' isn't a little thing that can CHANGE THE WORLD, that can change the way people think about gender, just a phrase that's been used for years, and nobody even thinks about the meaning of it anymore so it's harmless. If you talked about how people say "crying like a girl", "running like a girl" etc etc, I would understand but you're reaching bruh. And don't put words in my mouth, again this tumblr mentality of finding every single thing and making it bigger than what it is. There's a lot of real issues you can tackle though in this world, I just think it's kinda childish to talk about this. 

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13 minutes ago, Gagaiagr8 said:

I think men do more dangerous jobs because they have a comparative advantage in jobs which are dangerous. But that's just economics. 

Maybe you're right and the feminist movement can help the problem of men being treats unfairly in custody battles. I just don't see how exactly you think they're gonna do it, you've sort of just said, feminism will ensure men and women are considered equally,without explaining how. You assume others who don't call themselves feminists don't want the same. When in fact, they don't call themselves feminists because they don't want to be considered a pseudo intellectual. 

Lets do some economics. If women earn less than men for equal work, I pay a price for discriminating, for choosing a man over a women, I make less profit relative to firms that don't discriminate, who employ the cheaper women. The former type, will over time leave the market and shrink as non discriminating firms expand and enter due to higher profit incentives (due to lower costs) and the ability to out price discriminators (due to lower costs). If men and women are paid the same for equal work, discriminating firms pay no price for discriminating. They have the same costs as the typical profit maximisers who of course would of employed the cheaper women without the legislation. This means a high portion of firms in the market will never chose to employ women without being driven out of the market, as they cost the same. So not really a solution. Thank god congress are economically literate. 

Are female condoms also hygiene products? But seriously, they should be hygiene products I agree there. 

Rape statistics are always very unreliable but prison rape is a massive problem for men, especially gay men gagadaily! So I don't think the fact that the suspect gets treated unfairly is a women only problem so much as a problem for all. If more women are raped outside I don't think that's the patriarchy encouraging men to rape more than women as much as it is men are physically stronger and so unfortunately are physically more likely to be able to over power a women than a women is a man. 

Forbes article, ok, nice work.  

Lets do some economics. If women earn less than men for equal work, I pay a price for discriminating, for choosing a man over a women, I make less profit relative to firms that don't discriminate, who employ the cheaper women. The former type, will over time leave the market and shrink as non discriminating firms expand and enter due to higher profit incentives (due to lower costs) and the ability to out price discriminators (due to lower costs). If men and women are paid the same for equal work, discriminating firms pay no price for discriminating. They have the same costs as the typical profit maximisers who of course would of employed the cheaper women without the legislation. This means a high portion of firms in the market will never chose to employ women without being driven out of the market, as they cost the same. So not really a solution. Thank god congress are economically literate.

I...what? Discriminatory companies don't not hire women.

Do you think that discriminatory companies are transparent with their employees about who makes how much money? They don't disclose to women that they're making less money than their male counterparts. It's just what happens. That's what's ****ed up. Glad to see you're so economically literate yourself, though.

And the fact that you won't self-identify as a feminist because you don't want to sound "pseudo-intellectual" shows you've been drinking the right-wing kool aid. Feminism is good for everyone, but conservative pundits (and idiots) spin it as some man-hating, ****-chopping bloodbath of lesbos trying to take over the world. That's just not true. Feminism is about equality. It's about no longer shaming femininity in both men and women. And yes, it's about breaking up the boys club at the top that are actively trying to stamp out the people who challenge them (of whom women are a large constituency).

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1 minute ago, kyanewest said:

Saying 'have some balls' isn't a little thing that can CHANGE THE WORLD, that can change the way people think about gender, just a phrase that's been used for years, and nobody even thinks about the meaning of it anymore so it's harmless. If you talked about how people say "crying like a girl", "running like a girl" etc etc, I would understand but you're reaching bruh. And don't put words in my mouth, again this tumblr mentality of finding every single thing and making it bigger than what it is. There's a lot of real issues you can tackle though in this world, I just think it's kinda childish to talk about this. 

Alright thats your opinion and here's mine:. I think it's childish to not be willing to grow out of phrases that are being used out of context and hold inaccuracy in terms of subtext.  Not only childish, but stubborn and in denial.  Don't you have a heart for the people like me who are considerate and aware of "little things" that happen everyday and all the time regarding gender stereotypes and expectations?  I am not reaching. 

 

That's all I have to say but it was nice sharing perspectives with you!

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Just now, Gracious Gaga said:

Alright thats your opinion and here's mine:. I think it's childish to not be willing to grow out of phrases that are being used out of context and hold inaccuracy in terms of subtext.  Not only childish, but stubborn and in denial.  Don't you have a heart for the people like me who are considerate and aware of "little things" that happen everyday and all the time regarding gender stereotypes and expectations?  I am not reaching. 

 

That's all I have to say but it was nice sharing perspectives with you!

If you talkin about men crying I agree.

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8 minutes ago, faysalaaa1 said:

 

Not anyone who disagree's with you is a Republican! your just trying to put everyone who disagrees with you into one box.. thats a problem because only 17% of Americans identify as a feminist. What @AntiPotCrusader said is true, I can prove it to you if you are interested in that argument. Well I already made that argument, read my comment below 

Im just going to add a few more to your list

Men get more jail time for the same crimes.. men are not allowed to opt out of being a parent but women are.. women get 80% of child custody.. girls have education systems tailored to their needs making them win over boys in school.. male rape legally did not exist in the law until 2013.. today in the UK, if a woman rapes a man, it's only termed as 'sexual assault,' not rape.. genital mutilation is a crime and illegal for women only.. men are forced to pay alimony for decades.. men are forced to pay child support for someone thats not their child if they move in with a woman for 6 month.. men do not have shelters catered to them while women have them everywhere.. women are 90% less likely to be homeless.. women get government funds for breast cancer yet prostate cancer is a way much higher risk but never gets funded.. men make 80% of suicide victims 92% labor death 97% of combat death 77% of homicide victims.. women ask for equality in stem fields but not in hard jobs like construction where its all men.. women get preferential treatment in a crisis.. if a woman has sex while shes drunk its rape but if the male is the drunk one its not rape.. women who falsely accuse men do not get punished but men who falsely accuse get punished.. It is illegal to discriminate against women but legal to discriminate in favor of women.. men are objectified by how big their penis size is and how much money they make.. women get sympathy if they murder their own children and get the privilege of calling it a natural feeling or mental illness.. men are not allowed to be seated next to a strange child on a plane but women are regardless of the fact the most child molesters are women.. men are not allowed to be in a park if they dont have a child playing in the park but women are.. men aren't allowed to be a support person for women in domestic violence shelters.. only men between the ages of 18 and 25 are required to register for war draft in case of emergency.. when a news report talk about number of deaths, they always say including women and children as if their lives are more important.. Canada and many countries refuse to take in male refugees.. men are taught to be disposables for the state and family.. men are taught to never hit a girl even if she hits him.. men sexual assaults and rape are not taken seriously and is made fun of if they dont enjoy it.. men are taught to hide their emotions or they are not man enough.. I could go on but ill stop here

Girl, you look like a rabid lunatic. Some of this is just flat out not true. Some is cherry-picked out of context to make men look like victims. And the majority of the rest would be resolved if more people were feminists.

I don't dispute a lot of the stuff you've listed. But bottom line, the reason it exists is because men are held to a bullshit standard because of masculinity. Feminism rebukes the traditional "virtues" of this masculinity. It is literally a key to the shackles of 90% of the problems you've listed. You're just too hard-headed to take the time to learn about it and see how its goals align with fixing your frustrations.

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1 minute ago, kyanewest said:

If you talkin about men crying I agree.

Yeah that's what I've been talking about this whole time! Hahah instead of disclaiming/defending a man crying and claiming it to be "manly" cries, I wish the message could be spread that men can cry and it doesn't have any reflection on their gender because all humans cry, it simply shouldn't matter.  I really wish gaga and like minded people would stop saying things like that because even though to some people it may be something little, it still does not erase this awful stigma of what makes a male a "man".

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16 minutes ago, besus said:

Lets do some economics. If women earn less than men for equal work, I pay a price for discriminating, for choosing a man over a women, I make less profit relative to firms that don't discriminate, who employ the cheaper women. The former type, will over time leave the market and shrink as non discriminating firms expand and enter due to higher profit incentives (due to lower costs) and the ability to out price discriminators (due to lower costs). If men and women are paid the same for equal work, discriminating firms pay no price for discriminating. They have the same costs as the typical profit maximisers who of course would of employed the cheaper women without the legislation. This means a high portion of firms in the market will never chose to employ women without being driven out of the market, as they cost the same. So not really a solution. Thank god congress are economically literate.

I...what? Discriminatory companies don't not hire women.

Do you think that discriminatory companies are transparent with their employees about who makes how much money? They don't disclose to women that they're making less money than their male counterparts. It's just what happens. That's what's ****ed up. Glad to see you're so economically literate yourself, though.

And the fact that you won't self-identify as a feminist because you don't want to sound "pseudo-intellectual" shows you've been drinking the right-wing kool aid. Feminism is good for everyone, but conservative pundits (and idiots) spin it as some man-hating, ****-chopping bloodbath of lesbos trying to take over the world. That's just not true. Feminism is about equality. It's about no longer shaming femininity in both men and women. And yes, it's about breaking up the boys club at the top that are actively trying to stamp out the people who challenge them (of whom women are a large constituency).

The fact that you think you have to identify as a feminist to believe in equitable treatment and come up with solutions for it shows you're drinking the SJW cool aid. As to your 'disposition' and 'critique' of my economic theory, well it's not mine, I should say economic theory, Perhaps you could apply your critique to the wider field of labour market discrimination because no one has taken your approach before, no one. I will say IM differently. Everytime I chose a man over a women, when they are equally productive, I pay a price since women are paid less for equal work.  But, if they are paid the same, I pay no price. There is no incentive not to discriminate. Discriminating firms will not be driven out of the market. I am on the side of women, you're not. Equal pay legalisation doesn't work. 

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6 minutes ago, besus said:

Girl, you look like a rabid lunatic. Some of this is just flat out not true. Some is cherry-picked out of context to make men look like victims. And the majority of the rest would be resolved if more people were feminists.

I don't dispute a lot of the stuff you've listed. But bottom line, the reason it exists is because men are held to a bullshit standard because of masculinity. Feminism rebukes the traditional "virtues" of this masculinity. It is literally a key to the shackles of 90% of the problems you've listed. You're just too hard-headed to take the time to learn about it and see how its goals align with fixing your frustrations.

Im not trying to make men look like victims as men and women are both victims of the state and society but in different ways.. feminism make it look like women are the victims and no matter how victimized men are, they are part of the patriarchy and privileged and they are the reason why they are victims. What does cutting a babies penis off have to do with masculinity? masculinity is not a bad thing and feminists want to remove femininity and masculinity and live in this mentally ill state of mind which will never happen.
 

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1 minute ago, Gagaiagr8 said:

Here is an article to help 

 

The fact that you think you have to identify as a feminist to believe in equitable treatment and come up with solutions for it shows you're drinking the SJW cool aid. As to your 'disposition' and 'critique' of my economic theory, well it's not mine, I should say economic theory, Perhaps you could apply your critique to the wider field of labour market discrimination because no one has taken your approach before, no one. I will say IM differently. Everytime I chose a man over a women, when they are equally productive, I pay a price since women are paid less for equal work.  But, if they are paid the same, I pay no price. There is no incentive not to discriminate. I am on the side of women, you're not. Equal pay legalisation doesn't work. 

Whatever dude, keep thinking that men are the ultimate victims. It's a waste of time talking to you.

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1 minute ago, faysalaaa1 said:

Im not trying to make men look like victims as men and women are both victims of the state and society but in different ways.. feminism make it look like women are the victims and no matter how victimized men are, they are part of the patriarchy and privileged and they are the reason why they are victims. What does cutting a babies penis off have to do with masculinity? masculinity is not a bad thing and feminists want to remove femininity and masculinity and live in this mentally ill state of mind which will never happen.
 

Have you ever read one feminist work? Like, one. What you're saying is just pure, untrue garbage. You're projecting what you think feminism is, rather than taking the time to see if it has any merit. That's called being a sheeple—don't be one.

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5 minutes ago, besus said:

Whatever dude, keep thinking that men are the ultimate victims. It's a waste of time talking to you.

Nothing to do with me thinking men are victims. I am pointing out that feminists don't come up with valid solutions. Hence I don't identify as one. Yet I still think discrimination is bad, I just believe in different solutions. Your comment suggests you're the one drinking cool aid. The pushing of equal pay legislation, something that will actually hurt women and others who are discriminated against, is something that feminists have been doing for years and this is one reason i call them pseudo intellectuals who pick out issues better than anyone but at best come up with naive solutions. 

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1 minute ago, besus said:

Have you ever read one feminist work? Like, one. What you're saying is just pure, untrue garbage. You're projecting what you think feminism is, rather than taking the time to see if it has any merit. That's called being a sheeple—don't be one.

Yes I actually used to be a feminist and red many of their books.. I also still follow many amazing feminists that are amazing and I identify with them.. I just dont like to call myself a feminist because it is not what it used to mean anymore. So yeah everything you said about me is based on assumption.

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1 minute ago, faysalaaa1 said:

Yes I actually used to be a feminist and red many of their books.. I also still follow many amazing feminists that are amazing and I identify with them.. I just dont like to call myself a feminist because it is not what it used to mean anymore. So yeah everything you said about me is based on assumption.

What's your favorite feminist book