Gaga tweets Hillary for Mother's Day, fans react

[Didymus 34,380]

10 minutes ago, LebaneseDude said:

I'm well aware you said that you wish it to happen. I simply said she owes you nothing. That is all.

"Still no good reason to assume Gaga's voting for her for any other reason than that she's a woman."

She doesn't owe you an explanation, and has the right to voice her opinion. She is not beholden to her fans and does not owe anyone an explanation just because she is a media celebrity. Not every opinion demands a thesis statement. She supports her, and assuming she does because she is a woman is sexist.

She doesn't owe me anything but I don't owe her anything either. If I wanna slam her for her political beliefs then that is what I'm gonna do. I'm not gonna be told I need to treat her differently than any other Hillary supporter just because she happens to be a celebrity lol (that's a general trend I'm seeing, not you particularly).

I have the right to voice my opinion too, and so does everyone else.

And I don't necessarily think it's sexist to assume that's why she's voting. Susan Sarandon has openly talked about how much irrational backlash she's received for not voting or Hillary as if she's betraying the female race. It's simply a known fact that many people, especially women, feel obliged somehow to vote for her because it's time for a woman in the White House. I'm not even saying that's a bad reason, many people where I live wanted Obama to win because he was black, just like everyone keeps begging for a young pope.

That's just how many people are, and given Gaga's political statements in the past I personally suspect she is not as educated politically as she once seemed. Her predictable anti-Russia sentiment and her hilarious denial of Israel's war crimes just make her appear transparent and simple-minded. I'm not claiming that's the truth, but I can only judge from what I've been given and that's what I got. And I don't see why I need to be policed into silence because she doesn't owe me an explanation, like I'm pretending she does at all. It's a non-response from people who don't like to see contrary opinions and think that ends the issue. Well, it doesn't. You're gonna have to bring counter-arguments.

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

Just now, Didymus said:

She doesn't owe me anything but I don't owe her anything either. If I wanna slam her for her political beliefs then that is what I'm gonna do. I'm not gonna be told I need to treat her differently than any other Hillary supporter just because she happens to be a celebrity lol (that's a general trend I'm seeing, not you particularly).

I have the right to voice my opinion too, and so does everyone else.

That's great. I never said you don't have the right to voice your opinion. I'm merely calling you out on how illogical it is.

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

Just now, Didymus said:

 

And I don't necessarily think it's sexist to assume that's why she's voting. Susan Sarandon has openly talked about how much irrational backlash she's received for not voting or Hillary as if she's betraying the female race. It's simply a known fact that many people, especially women, feel obliged somehow to vote for her because it's time for a woman in the White House. I'm not even saying that's a bad reason, many people where I live wanted Obama to win because he was black, just like everyone keeps begging for a young pope despite his qualifications

Again, you are assuming things out of irrelevant context. I'm well aware that there are some women who are only voting for her because she is a woman.

The question is, why are you implying that Gaga is like those women?

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

1 minute ago, Didymus said:

That's just how many people are, and given Gaga's political statements in the past I personally suspect she is not as educated politically as she once seemed. Her predictable anti-Russia sentiment and her hilarious denial of Israel's war crimes just make her appear transparent and simple-minded. I'm not claiming that's the truth, but I can only judge from what I've been given and that's what I got. And I don't see why I need to be policed into silence because she doesn't owe me an explanation, like I'm pretending she does at all. It's a non-response from people who don't like to see contrary opinions and think that ends the issue. Well, it doesn't. You're gonna have to bring counter-arguments.

You use two examples to make a broad generalization on her. That you think her going to Baku was futile is your opinion and your opinion alone. You don't know what's going on in her head, so stop placing your own line of thought into hers.

[Didymus 34,380]

Just now, LebaneseDude said:

That's great. I never said you don't have the right to voice your opinion. I'm merely calling you out on how illogical it is.

How illogical what is? Saying I wish she would explain her choice? What's illogical about that?

The chances of her reading our opinions is close to nihil. If anything is illogical it's people policing members because they're being "disrespectful" to Gaga as if she's ever gonna read/care about whatever sh-t we write here. And if she does care, then she's stupid.

[crisTEAne 21,059]

that proves that the connection between her (mother monster) and us (little monsters) is not cringeworthy and shall remain forever. 

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

Just now, Didymus said:

How illogical what is? Saying I wish she would explain her choice? What's illogical about that?

The chances of her reading our opinions is close to nihil. If anything is illogical it's people policing members because they're being "disrespectful" to Gaga as if she's ever gonna read/care about whatever sh-t we write here. And if she does care, then she's stupid.

It's illogical to make an argument about your freedom of expression while simultaneously calling her out for hers and wishing for elaboration.

And the point isn't that she will or won't read it. We're discussing what has been said. I never made the claim that Gaga gave a damn.

[Didymus 34,380]

2 minutes ago, LebaneseDude said:

The question is, why are you implying that Gaga is like those women?

Because she hasn't given me any reason to assume otherwise. Which is exactly what I wrote in my post, actually.

2 minutes ago, LebaneseDude said:

You use two examples to make a broad generalization on her. That you think her going to Baku was futile is your opinion and your opinion alone. You don't know what's going on in her head, so stop placing your own line of thought into hers.

I didn't tho, holy **** Talk about placing lines of thought in someone else's head. I just explained why I don't think it's unrealistic to assume (!! not conclude) Gaga might be voting for her because she's a woman most of all. That is entirely my opinion and I explicitly presented it like that.

2 minutes ago, LebaneseDude said:

It's illogical to make an argument about your freedom of expression while simultaneously calling her out for hers.

Then quote someone else. I didn't do that.

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

8 minutes ago, Didymus said:

Because she hasn't given me any reason to assume otherwise. Which is exactly what I wrote in my post, actually.

I didn't tho, holy **** Talk about placing lines of thought in someone else's head. I just explained why I don't think it's unrealistic to assume (!! not conclude)

She doesn't have to give you a reason to assume something. You are assuming guilt without any proof. Nebulous phrases about female solidarity does not imply anything else.

In fact it would be odd for Gaga to be more thorough on her political standpoint. She has focused on empowerment of women for all her career. It's obvious that she'll stick to displaying that, without discussing other merits.

Stop trying to paint me as someone who is attacking you. Don't insult me like that just because you are trying to prove your assumptions. You can't prove assumptions. You can only give logical reasons, and the only reason you have given so far is sexist. I'm trying to tell you that and you're taking it as an offense.

[Didymus 34,380]

1 minute ago, LebaneseDude said:

She doesn't have to give you a reason to assume something. You are assuming guilt without any proof. Nebulous phrases about female solidarity does not imply anything else.

Assuming "guilt"? Desperate, are we? I'm just theorizing about why she might vote for Hillary and why she won't say anything about it. It seriously doesn't extend past that.

I don't think she has to do **** and never have I implied anything else.

2 minutes ago, LebaneseDude said:

In fact it would be odd for Gaga to be more thorough on her political standpoint. She has focused on empowerment of women for all her career. It's obvious that she'll stick to displaying that, without discussing other merits.

So now you're the one assuming she's voting for Hillary because she wants to empower women This is all kinds of hilarious.

3 minutes ago, LebaneseDude said:

Stop trying to paint me as someone who is attacking you. Don't insult me like that just because you are trying to prove your assumptions. You can't prove assumptions. You can only give logical reasons, and the only reason you have given so far is sexist. I'm trying to tell you that and you're taking it as an offense.

I wasn't trying to prove my assumptions until you quoted me saying I was demanding her to explain her stance lmfao

This is what you always do. You lure people into saying something they didn't want to say in their original post just so you can jump on it and pull the whole thing out of context as if that person has been the one inciting the discussion.

I explained to you why I didn't consider my assumption to be sexist. Take it or leave it tbh, you were the one who quoted me to try to tell me what I was saying, if I'm gonna clarify that and you read **** into it just to be able to take a shot at me then yes I am going to take offense. There is nothing in my posts that is sexist or even attacking towards Gaga.

You're not trying to do anything but pretend you're "owning" me publicly. Trying to tell me I'm being sexist? How? By telling me I'm sexist when I'm not? Beautiful effort.

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

10 minutes ago, Didymus said:

Assuming "guilt"? Desperate, are we? I'm just theorizing about why she might vote for Hillary and why she won't say anything about it. It seriously doesn't extend past that.

I don't think she has to do **** and never have I implied anything else.

 

You are making an assumption based on one particular position, ignoring all other potential context. That is not theorizing.

The "guilt" I'm referring to is the accusation that she's doing it only because she is a woman. You have no proof of that except some random quotes about female solidarity. 

10 minutes ago, Didymus said:

So now you're the one assuming she's voting for Hillary because she wants to empower women This is all kinds of hilarious.

Where did you get that from? I only stated a likely scenario that Gaga may be focusing on Hillary as a woman, as you have said she has, because it is in line with Gaga's career mission statement. It doesn't mean that it's the only reason either  I'm trying to give YOUR viewpoint some less sexist context.  

10 minutes ago, Didymus said:

 

I wasn't trying to prove my assumptions until you quoted me saying I was demanding her to explain her stance lmfao

Where did I imply that? I never demanded you prove anything. You are the one who said that you have no reason to believe Gaga is doing it for anything else and I questioned your logical fallacy. Feel free to not respond and refrain from criticism.

10 minutes ago, Didymus said:

 

This is what you always do. You lure people into saying something they didn't want to say in their original post just so you can jump on it and pull the whole thing out of context as if that person has been the one inciting the discussion.

Stop demonizing me. You're the one taking everything I say out of context. What point are you trying to prove now? You're backed into a corner and are resorting to ad hominem.

10 minutes ago, Didymus said:

I explained to you why I didn't consider my assumption to be sexist. Take it or leave it tbh, you were the one who quoted me to try to tell me what I was saying, if I'm gonna clarify that and you read **** into it just to be able to take a shot at me then yes I am going to take offense. There is nothing in my posts that is sexist or even attacking towards Gaga.

People don't consider themselves making xenophobic or racist statements when they are. It doesn't make them right. A bigot does not think he is a bigot, not that I am implying that you are a sexist for having a sexist thought.

You are trying to make the claim that Gaga is supporting her only because she is a woman because there is no other proof.

Merely asking that there be proof that she isn't doing it because she is a woman is sexist, because you would NEVER for once believe the same thing when it comes to men.

10 minutes ago, Didymus said:

 

You're not trying to do anything but pretend you're "owning" me publicly. Trying to tell me I'm being sexist? How? By telling me I'm sexist when I'm not? Beautiful effort.

"Owning" you? We're having a discussion. Stop demonizing my intentions

It's as if I can't hold a discussion with some of you without you starting to clutch your pearls.

Who the hell said you are sexist? I said your opinion was formed from sexist context.

You =/= Your opinion. I have nothing but respect for you.

Gah  

 

[Americano 31,061]

Why's everyone fighting? Hillary is already on a slide path to the White House so let's move on and hope Gaga gets to visit.

[Bt1 5,213]

Omg. Bernie fans act in politics like they do with celebrities. People shouldnt stan for politicians, especially for career politicians like Bernie or Hillary. People want Gaga to not talk about politics. With the level of superficiality that we can see on this topic, maybe Gagadaily should not allow users to talk about it here. We would look cooler or smarter.

[Americano 31,061]

10 minutes ago, Didymus said:

Assuming "guilt"? Desperate, are we? I'm just theorizing about why she might vote for Hillary and why she won't say anything about it. It seriously doesn't extend past that.

I don't think she has to do **** and never have I implied anything else.

So now you're the one assuming she's voting for Hillary because she wants to empower women This is all kinds of hilarious.

I wasn't trying to prove my assumptions until you quoted me saying I was demanding her to explain her stance lmfao

This is what you always do. You lure people into saying something they didn't want to say in their original post just so you can jump on it and pull the whole thing out of context as if that person has been the one inciting the discussion.

I explained to you why I didn't consider my assumption to be sexist. Take it or leave it tbh, you were the one who quoted me to try to tell me what I was saying, if I'm gonna clarify that and you read **** into it just to be able to take a shot at me then yes I am going to take offense. There is nothing in my posts that is sexist or even attacking towards Gaga.

You're not trying to do anything but pretend you're "owning" me publicly. Trying to tell me I'm being sexist? How? By telling me I'm sexist when I'm not? Beautiful effort.

There's nothing wrong with supporting Hillary because she's a woman. Having women in leadership is proven to help women down the latter in society.

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

3 minutes ago, Americano said:

There's nothing wrong with supporting Hillary because she's a woman. Having women in leadership is proven to help women down the latter in society.

Exactly

Still, Gaga has never said that this is the only reason, nor does she have to explain herself.

People who form the opinion that she is doing so only because of it are exhibiting sexist mentality.

Women included.