"Black History Month shouldn't exist" - Black Actress Stacey Dash

[ARTPOPdidntflop 3,987]

1 minute ago, PMKKARDASHiAN said:

White people do too... at least here in America. White people are mocked and made fun of almost daily for their enjoyments or activities. Some people call it "reverse racism" but it's still the same thing. 

And while technically yes, someone might consider me "white" I'm not, I'm ethnic. 

making fun of white people for not being able to dance is on no scale comparabe to what blacks and even Latinxs/ Asians experience in their day to day lives.

 

You don't lose your whiteness just because you belong to an ethnic group. Germans are white, Czechs are white

[Alien Tulip 12,428]

I'm white myself but at least I understand why BET awards exist and black history month unlike the other white dumb asses in this thread. And since we're discussing this on a lady gaga forum I'd like to point out that even lady gaga most likely understands why BET is made and she certainly supports black history month. To even say BET is racist is just foolish. 

[Sudarshana 581]

4 minutes ago, ARTPOPdidntflop said:

but how did this have a systematic impact apart from being a one off massacre of people?

well, genocide is the ultimate form of discrimination.

[ARTPOPdidntflop 3,987]

2 minutes ago, Dominic Marc said:

Are you ignorant? All races,  including white people,  face racism. Pick up a book and read a little bit of history,  not selectively.  I've read awful things about white people on these forums recently all in the name of racial equality.  

care to give examples? 

As a white person you will never experience racism. I suggest you watch some videos from Jane Elliot, she created the blue eyes brown eyes experiment. She's a white woman who has been working her whole life on educating white people on what blacks and other minorities experience in their day to day lives and how all white people are racist to some extent

[ARTPOPdidntflop 3,987]

Just now, Sudarshana said:

well, genocide is the ultimate form of discrimination.

I never said white people cant be discriminated against. everyone can experience discrimination for any reason.

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

14 minutes ago, ARTPOPdidntflop said:

Wow

everbody please look at this 

this is the worst comment I've had to the not pleasure of laying my eyes on 

How about you educate me rather than resorting to a very idiotic, meaningless response?

What is designated as uniquely black history other than the fight for their freedom (slavery) and the fight to gain equal rights? (civil rights movement) after being segregated post-freedom (segregation). Notice that all these events pertain to them as a racial group as a whole.

Just because someone is black, doesn't mean that their accomplishments are "black history". They are "American history". Quit appropriating every event done as a black person as "black history" while designating everything else as "American history".

Educate me please, because for a Lebanese person, I sure have a much better understanding of the difference between race and culture in your own goddamn country.

[ARTPOPdidntflop 3,987]

1 minute ago, LebaneseDude said:

How about you educate me rather than resorting to very idiotic, meaningless response?

What is designated as uniquely black history other than the fight for their freedom (slavery) and the fight to gain equal rights? (civil rights movement) after being segregated post-freedom (segregation). Notice that all these events pertain to them as a racial group as a whole.

Just because someone is black, doesn't mean that their accomplishments are "black history". They are "American history", but the color of their skin is darker.

Educate me please, because for a Lebanese person, I sure have a much better understanding of the difference between race and culture in your own goddamn country.

I'm not from America lol

and implying all that's worth learning about black people is slavery and civil rights is sad 

 

maybe be if the education system wasn't white washed as a whole we wouldn't need. a black history month

[Sudarshana 581]

do they have a gay history month in america? 

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

3 minutes ago, ARTPOPdidntflop said:

I'm not from America lol

and implying all that's worth learning about black people is slavery and civil rights is sad 

Where did I say that again? Why are you lumping "black people culture" with "black history" in general?

Black people are part of AMERICAN history. What's referred to as "black history" is simply the events I've already stated. Slavery, segregation, and civil rights movement. 

Black people have contributed immensely to American culture, but that's what it is. American. Not black. American, just like everything white people have done is also considered American and not taught as "White history".

Given that you apparently don't know much, how about you get off your high horse.

[ARTPOPdidntflop 3,987]

1 minute ago, Sudarshana said:

do they have a gay history month in america? 

tbh they should, gay people made some enormous contributions to society but all they want to teach us about are the straight white men and sometimes women

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

1 minute ago, ARTPOPdidntflop said:

tbh they should, gay people made some enormous contributions to society but all they want to teach us about are the straight white men and sometimes women

They already do.

It's called Pride month and happens in June. (Also in July in some places).

[ItsTommyBitch 12,640]

36 minutes ago, LebaneseDude said:

A lot of talk but you aren't really saying anything meaningful.

What is black history other than slavery, segregation, and the civil rights movement?

Why separate that from American history in general?

Why are you implying that they deserve special recognition?

 

My post was basically a general look at the majority of the comments in this thread as being dreadfully misinformed and ignorant  That's not saying nothing meaningful, its a plea for people to re-examine their opinions and analyze and critique their own biases, because its clear that some of the people saying what they are saying actually don't know what they are talking about at all  

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What is black history other than slavery, segregation, and the civil rights movement?

First of all, not all black people are the descendants of slaves and not all black people are Americans (When I hear "civil rights movement" I think specifically of America, don't most people?) So already the approach is too narrow...
Part of my criticism was of the fact that Black History Month as it currently stands or is actually TAUGHT in education is pretty much a reductive form of even the main topics it discusses (pre-slavery - post slavery issues) that still finds a way to wrongfully represent what "racism" is (by leaving out how wide of a term it is, people internalize that only major attrocities or blatant slurs, etc. are "real racism" etc, which is a large detriment to combating it  ) My job is not to sit here and educate you, and the fact that this question is SERIOUSLY what some people believe "Black people history" is is really a testament to the fact that our current way of talking about the history of black people is lacking. I mean yes, this is an American thing, and there are other topics worth talking about in American History, like the Jazz Age and the Harlem Renaissance.

"Why separate that from American history in general?"

I thought this part was pretty much explained  It shouldn't be, as its an integral part of our history. The problem is that people (generally white people in power) don't want to teach about it because it paints America badly, and even modern curriculum for young ages (when it matters especially  ) paints the plight of Black people with a very rosy brush to lessen the blow. It tends to go over a few hot topics as they come up but overall misses the finer details and leaves a memorable, but weak impression. Black History Month is more about FOCUSING these topics and giving more information in terms of education.. (Also, not everywhere does it? Like, during Black History Month where I went to school, nothing was done about it at all, lol. My dad is a bit of an African-American scholar at times though, so I never went uneducated~) Basically, it should be taught alongside regular discourse, and it is "American History" (though simply calling it American history kind of washes over the specific issues) in that sense. It's usually not though. We have to take time out to talk about Black history more "in depth" because currently curriculum doesn't?

"Why are you implying that they deserve special recognition?"

I'm not gonna take this at face value, as I have trouble believing someone could think that the History of Black people doesn't deserve any special recognition

It's only "special" recognition in the sense that they are severely LACKING in actual recognition. It's honestly not even as far as positive discrimination, its literally just focusing on an issue that is lacking, as that is how change happens. Treating everything and everyone as equals is all kinds of misguided and ignores the actual reality - which is that people and things are NOT equal, and certain groups of people NEED "special recognition" to be even on the same footing as others. This isn't even a black-white issue, its a hierarchical one which is systemic and applies to many groups of people  

[ARTPOPdidntflop 3,987]

5 minutes ago, LebaneseDude said:

Where did I say that again? Why are you lumping "black people culture" with "black history" in general?

Black people are part of AMERICAN history. What's referred to as "black history" is simply the events I've already stated. Slavery, segregation, and civil rights movement. 

Black people have contributed immensely to American culture, but that's what it is. American. Not black. American, just like everything white people have done is also considered American and not taught as "White history".

Given that you apparently don't know much, how about you get off your high horse.

The point being that black people have been excluded from Americas achievements and any contributions made. Your definition isn't what's being matched up with the education system. American history is white history in their eyes. Tell me why America teaches children that a white mass murderer is the greatest man to have ever lived. You should calm down lol

[ARTPOPdidntflop 3,987]

3 minutes ago, LebaneseDude said:

They already do.

It's called Pride month and happens in June. (Also in July in some places).

we're talking about schools 

[Sudarshana 581]

stacey cute though