Would Beyonce be taken more seriously if she was white?

[venusian 4,686]

can we please stop beyonce threads bc athirst my heart to see the beyonce hate when she's the most unproblematic person to be famous

[StrawberryBlond 14,862]

Just now, ARTPOPdidntflop said:

What are you trying to argue again? Why are you even trying to prove you're not racist in the first place though...You haven't provided any statistics or facts to whatever it is you're arguing.

 

 

No one's disrespecting you, but do you realise how bad you sound when you say stuff like this

You're already othering other races when you claim to be. I'm not the same as you. We're both white but I am not with you because of that

 

Also don't you ever compare LGBT to race. Race isn't real, it's a social construct. Sexuality is biology, it is real. The struggles of a gay person aren't comparable to that of white people (if we have any)

My argument is that Beyonce wouldn't be taken any more seriously if she were white, she would be treated less seriously: she's taken seriously because she's black. When a white person does any sort of music with black origins, there is always a big element of doubt in the public as to how talented they are. The perception is always that black people are the best at traditional black music, they're automatically assumed to be talented before they've even opened their mouth to sing. Blacks are also considered the best dancers and the women are allowed to be confident and sassy (which plays on stereotypes but isn't exactly the most negative). Whites have this perception of being bad dancers (have no idea where this ridiculous lie comes from) and when white women are confident and sassy, they're called smug b*****s (which is partly a s-xism thing too but is also a racial issue). This is the logic part. I don't even consider anything I've just said to be opinion, it's fact. Then the statistics bit comes from looking at who are the most successful, respected, critically acclaimed and awarded urban artists. The overwhelming majority are black. Again, this is not opinion, it's fact. Therefore, my conclusion is that Beyonce is at an advantage because she is black when she makes the genre she does and has the image she does. And I'm trying to prove I'm not racist because Harry accused me of being one.

I don't think anything I'm saying sounds bad. I'm defending myself against wrongful accusations that were in no way justified. I thought as a white person, you would be more understanding of how easy it is for us to be called racist, that all it takes is one tiny criticism. Seriously, if a non-white person dislikes a white person, they just need to shout racism and the next minute, they're being pulled up to court without an investigation even being launched. In these times, I wish whites would be a bit more supportive of their own race unless they actually witness what is undisputed racism. But we've been taught to be so negative about other whites, to always assume the worst. Other races support one another, why can't we?

And your insistence of not using the word "race" - well, what other word are we going to use to define our differences when need be? "Race" and judging people based on it was not started by whites, every group of people since the dawn of time has been aware of race. Just because it wasn't written down or legally defined didn't mean it didn't exist. It is not a racist term, everyone uses it, it's a term used in many non-racist ways (mostly for means of identification and when disdiscussing race issues). You've got swept away with being PC. Just talk normally in non-SJW speak. And I only used the LGBT community example so you might understand what I'm talking about in the whole "it hurts more when it comes from the same community" argument. I could have used any community, but this was the most obvious one.

By the way, I find it very ironic that you're so against black people being defined by whites when you are a white person defining black people's struggles and saying how they should and shouldn't be defined. Umm...shouldn't you let the blacks define themselves? As a woman, I'm very grateful for any man who fights the feminist cause too, but ultimately, I don't want a man speaking on behalf of me because for too long, women have been defined by men, spoken for by men, seen through a male lens. Men don't define us, women define women. Therefore, we should do the most speaking, campaigning and so on. I see racial issues the same way. I'll fight their corner when needed, but they should have the most voice as the oppressed group truly get it and it's coming from the most genuine place. When you're not part of the group, you can sound more rehearsed, not so genuine, like you're just saying what you're supposed to say, with no meaning behind it.

Just now, Harry said:

"I've said before that I don't even see colour (well, I do see it, obviously, but I don't define people by it)." - lies. the whole argument you've been making in this thread is based around racial generalisations. if you didn't see it or define people by it, you would've never had that ignorant thought.

"80% of my favourite rap albums are by black artists." wasn't this the exact point you were trying to make earlier? that people 'pretend' they like black people more to make them seen more genuine? and now you've given this incredibly trivial list about how great all these indian and black people are? well guess what. i say you're just doing that cos of your white guilt and you don't really love them that much

and you value the opinion of a "fellow white" even more. 'This kind of thing hurts so much more when it comes from another white person.' i mean......

It's racial generalisations that the public have, not me. My argument about blacks being taken more seriously in urban music is completely based on the public's perception of black artists, not me. I think anyone should sing any genre they want and I'll treat them and judge them exactly the same. But not everyone thinks that way.

Again, I'm talking about "some people," not me. Some people subconsciously give more props to black artists because they've got white guilt but NOT ME, FOR THE LAST TIME. You must be aware of racial targets employers set and how whites are encouraged at all times to show racial diversity through their media. It's a culture of encouraging whites to guilt trip themselves even if they've done nothing wrong. It means that our feelings towards other races may be less genuine if we continue doing this. And any system that encourages racists to hide their hatred can't be good. If someone's racist, they should be exposed for it. How can they be exposed if they're being ordered to be nice to other races, whether they're racist or not, or they'll lose their job? How can be know of any bad people in the world if they're ordered to be nice all the time, even if they aren't? True feelings should always be at the forefront, never fake ones. That's how we sort out who's genuinely nice and genuinely nasty.

I didn't say I valued the opinion of a white person more, just that it hurts when it comes from the people in your own group. Just like how I'd be more offended if a woman called me s-xist than if a man called me s-xist, because as two women, we should get each other more. You like to think the members of your own group support you, right? Notice how whites always automatically join the side of the black person shouting racism, with absolutely no thought to ask what really happened first, before joining either side? Again, it's this always assuming the worst of whites, no matter what the situation and it enrages me. What happened to admitting: "Ok, white history may be very murky, but hell, everyone is born innocent, we're all born equal and there's bad apples in every race, therefore, we should give everyone the benefit of the doubt before jumping to conclusions"?

[ARTPOPdidntflop 3,987]

53 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

she's taken seriously because she's black. When a white person does any sort of music with black origins, there is always a big element of doubt in the public as to how talented they are. The perception is always that black people are the best at traditional black music, they're automatically assumed to be talented before they've even opened their mouth to sing.

4 words: Iggy Azalea Grammy Nomination

[ARTPOPdidntflop 3,987]

1 hour ago, StrawberryBlond said:

You must be aware of racial targets employers set and how whites are encouraged at all times to show racial diversity through their media. It's a culture of encouraging whites to guilt trip themselves even if they've done nothing wrong. It means that our feelings towards other races may be less genuine if we continue doing this. And any system that encourages racists to hide their hatred can't be good. If someone's racist, they should be exposed for it. How can they be exposed if they're being ordered to be nice to other races, whether they're racist or not, or they'll lose their job?

GIRL IM SORRY BUT WHAT AM I READING..... I am not speaking on behalf of anybody. I'm allowed to have a voice on the problems with racism in our society, i'm not defining black struggles at all

"encouraged to show racial diversity.....it's a culture of guilt tripping whites"

If your feelings towards other races are less genuine that's YOUR problem and you should fix it, but hey you took like 100 belly dancing classes so you should be okay with everyone right

I think your logic is a bit mixed because none of what you said is actually fact. This is all from what you've been thinking and I don't think it translates accurately to what's going on in the real world.

"It's bad for racists to hide their hatred".. "They're being ordered to be nice to other races". 

You come off as really racist, I can't believe you think societies been taught to be negative towards white people... that's really delusional thinking

[StrawberryBlond 14,862]

Just now, ARTPOPdidntflop said:

4 words: Iggy Azalea Grammy Nomination

Oh, wow. White rapper earns Grammy nomination. Apart from Eminem, that's as common as flying pigs. If you don't like Iggy, fine, but why be so hung up? She didn't win it, so what's the big deal? The racial hatred towards Iggy is truly uncalled for. And there's far more white rappers who don't even get nominated (normally for not being that good, but there's plenty of untalented black rappers who get awards). There may be a reason why there's not very many good white rappers - because they're not encouraged to go into this profession, they've been raised in a culture that tells them they can't be good because they're white. It's the same reason why there aren't very many female comedians or they're not as good - because our culture doesn't raise girls to believe that they can be funny, that comedy is a man's talent. Consequently, many don't even have the guts to try comedy. Maybe there'd be better white rappers if we said that rap is open to all races and backgrounds.

Just now, ARTPOPdidntflop said:

GIRL IM SORRY BUT WHAT AM I READING.....

"encouraged to show racial diversity.....it's a culture of guilt tripping whites"

If your feelings towards other races are less genuine that's YOUR problem and you should fix it, but hey you took like 100 belly dancing classes so you should be okay with everyone right

Not that showing racial diversity is a bad thing, but what I'm saying is that for example, scriptwriters are being encouraged to write black characters into their stories, even if they don't fit the situation or time period, just to show diversity. If we want to show diversity, it has to have genuine reasons behind it. Doing it because we have to, whether we like it or not, means racists can hide.

For the last time, my feelings are genuine, not everyone else's are. Just like Harry, you seem to deliberately miss my point just so you can be against me and make me look bad.

[Harry 26,836]

1 hour ago, StrawberryBlond said:

It's racial generalisations that the public have, not me. My argument about blacks being taken more seriously in urban music is completely based on the public's perception of black artists, not me. I think anyone should sing any genre they want and I'll treat them and judge them exactly the same. But not everyone thinks that way.

Again, I'm talking about "some people," not me. Some people subconsciously give more props to black artists because they've got white guilt but NOT ME, FOR THE LAST TIME. You must be aware of racial targets employers set and how whites are encouraged at all times to show racial diversity through their media. It's a culture of encouraging whites to guilt trip themselves even if they've done nothing wrong. It means that our feelings towards other races may be less genuine if we continue doing this. And any system that encourages racists to hide their hatred can't be good. If someone's racist, they should be exposed for it. How can they be exposed if they're being ordered to be nice to other races, whether they're racist or not, or they'll lose their job? How can be know of any bad people in the world if they're ordered to be nice all the time, even if they aren't? True feelings should always be at the forefront, never fake ones. That's how we sort out who's genuinely nice and genuinely nasty.

I didn't say I valued the opinion of a white person more, just that it hurts when it comes from the people in your own group. Just like how I'd be more offended if a woman called me s-xist than if a man called me s-xist, because as two women, we should get each other more. You like to think the members of your own group support you, right? Notice how whites always automatically join the side of the black person shouting racism, with absolutely no thought to ask what really happened first, before joining either side? Again, it's this always assuming the worst of whites, no matter what the situation and it enrages me. What happened to admitting: "Ok, white history may be very murky, but hell, everyone is born innocent, we're all born equal and there's bad apples in every race, therefore, we should give everyone the benefit of the doubt before jumping to conclusions"?

Then why do you keep bringing up about how unfair it is that whites aren't as successful in rap but you dismissed my argument about blacks in country because it isn't "geared towards them"? 'I think anyone should sing any genre they want and I'll treat them and judge them exactly the same' - you've directly contradicted yourself. Hypocritical.

If it's not you then why did you bring up how much you love black rappers to prove you're not racist!? Once again that totally contradicts your argument. If you "don't see" race and Beyonce gets more credit because she's black, aren't you doing the exact same thing with telling us how many black rappers you listen to as if to give yourself credibility? It's really laughable.

So you're telling me that you take a white person calling you out on black issues more seriously than you would if a black person voiced their concerns on black issues? That really says it all. It's nothing to do with feminism or s-xism, because in that conversation you, as a female, would be the one on the receiving end. But as a white person, you have white privilege and saying you would rather listen to whites is encouraging a weird pack mentality that all races should stick together. So much for someone who doesn't see race.

5 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

Oh, wow. White rapper earns Grammy nomination. Apart from Eminem, that's as common as flying pigs. If you don't like Iggy, fine, but why be so hung up? She didn't win it, so what's the big deal? The racial hatred towards Iggy is truly uncalled for. And there's far more white rappers who don't even get nominated (normally for not being that good, but there's plenty of untalented black rappers who get awards). There may be a reason why there's not very many good white rappers - because they're not encouraged to go into this profession, they've been raised in a culture that tells them they can't be good because they're white. It's the same reason why there aren't very many female comedians or they're not as good - because our culture doesn't raise girls to believe that they can be funny, that comedy is a man's talent. Consequently, many don't even have the guts to try comedy. Maybe there'd be better white rappers if we said that rap is open to all races and backgrounds.

For the last time, my feelings are genuine, not everyone else's are. Just like Harry, you seem to deliberately miss my point just so you can be against me and make me look bad.

Oh please. Earlier you and craig were talking about how many Grammys Beyonce and Kanye etc have as a sign of their (supposedly undeserving) respect but as soon as Iggy's nominations get brought up they're suddenly invalid. Don't pick and choose. You're literally crying over what whites don't have. Do you understand how trivial that sounds when black people still face so much? And don't even make me bring up the country thing again which you seem totally okay with. It's just so ignorant.

And for goodness sake stop making yourself out to be some kind of goddess angel whose opinion is so much more "real", "honest" and "valid" than everybody else's. Just because I don't have ignorant views it doesn't mean I'm not genuine. Crying "waah you're being mean to me" isn't a good look when someone disagrees with you either.

[ARTPOPdidntflop 3,987]

36 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

The racial hatred towards Iggy is truly uncalled for. And there's far more white rappers who don't even get nominated (normally for not being that good, but there's plenty of untalented black rappers who get awards). There may be a reason why there's not very many good white rappers - because they're not encouraged to go into this profession, they've been raised in a culture that tells them they can't be good because they're white.

For the last time, my feelings are genuine, not everyone else's are. Just like Harry, you seem to deliberately miss my point just so you can be against me and make me look bad.

There is no racial hatred towards Iggy Azalea. Literally everything your saying ISN'T TRUE. It doesn't exist!!! There is no "culture" that tells white people they aren't good enough because they're white. Stop making stuff up. I'm not making you look bad, you're making yourself look bad by deluding yourself into thinking white people have all this stuff going against them while black people have it easier like omg

[StrawberryBlond 14,862]

Just now, Harry said:

Then why do you keep bringing up about how unfair it is that whites aren't as successful in rap but you dismissed my argument about blacks in country because it isn't "geared towards them"? 'I think anyone should sing any genre they want and I'll treat them and judge them exactly the same' - you've directly contradicted yourself. Hypocritical.

If it's not you then why did you bring up how much you love black rappers to prove you're not racist!? Once again that totally contradicts your argument. If you "don't see" race and Beyonce gets more credit because she's black, aren't you doing the exact same thing with telling us how many black rappers you listen to as if to give yourself credibility? It's really laughable.

So you're telling me that you take a white person calling you out on black issues more seriously than you would if a black person voiced their concerns on black issues? That really says it all. It's nothing to do with feminism or s-xism, because in that conversation you, as a female, would be the one on the receiving end. But as a white person, you have white privilege and saying you would rather listen to whites is encouraging a weird pack mentality that all races should stick together. So much for someone who doesn't see race.

Oh please. Earlier you and craig were talking about how many Grammys Beyonce and Kanye etc have as a sign of their (supposedly undeserving) respect but as soon as Iggy's nominations get brought up they're suddenly invalid. Don't pick and choose. You're literally crying over what whites don't have. Do you understand how trivial that sounds when black people still face so much? And don't even make me bring up the country thing again which you seem totally okay with. It's just so ignorant.

And for goodness sake stop making yourself out to be some kind of goddess angel whose opinion is so much more "real", "honest" and "valid" than everybody else's. Just because I don't have ignorant views it doesn't mean I'm not genuine. Crying "waah you're being mean to me" isn't a good look when someone disagrees with you either.

I never said that blacks don't deserve success in country. It blows me away how whatever I say goes right over your head. Either that, or you're deliberately being obstructive. I WAS EXPLAINING WHY THERE AREN'T MANY BLACKS IN COUNTRY MUSIC - BECAUSE THEY FEEL LIKE THEY'RE NOT WANTED THERE. AND THAT'S BAD. Now, what part of that can possibly be misunderstood? I never dismissed anything you said. Yes, there are black country artists, yes, they don't get promotion much because it's assumed the public don't want black country artists, yes, they don't get awards because no one gives much thought to country artists. This is racist. This is unfair. I never denied this! But...what's equally unfair is how whites get treated in rap. Getting told you are somehow defective on the basis of the colour of your skin sickens me beyond belief. And that goes for all races. It doesn't matter if one has more privilege than the other. Music is for all, we should all sing whatever genres we want and get the right props for it if we're good enough.

I brought up how much I love black rappers because you were accusing me of being racist and I was defending myself! Just like I said to ARTPOPdidntflop, what do I have to do to prove I'm not a racist? Nothing, apparently. I only "see race" when I have to, i.e. in race discussions like here. I'm talking about what people who do "see race" see when they look at black artists.

No, I'm saying that I find it hurtful that a white person would be so against me when they must realise how easy it is to be wrongly accused of being racist when you're white. That's why I never accuse anyone of racism unless it's undisputed - because as a white person, I know what it's like to live with the fear that it's you're going to be accused of it one day. Like now.

I never said that Beyonce et al don't deserve respect or have no credibility. I'm just explaining why they may get they get the props they rightfully deserve but white urban artists don't always get the props they rightfully deserve. If black urban artists get the props for being good, white urban artists should get the props for being good too. What part of that can you not understand? I'm not crying over what whites don't have, I just question why they don't get the respect they deserve when they're good when black artists don't struggle at all. Of course I realise it's trivial in the grand scheme of things, but in the realm of music, it's not trivial at all. And I love music too much to see unfairness in it, especially when it comes to something so superficial as race. And do you get the country thing yet or do I have to repeat it again?

I don't think I'm some sort of goddess angel. I'm imperfect, like everyone else. It's you who has the belief that you're better than you are. You are the one who is showing ignorance and intolerance, not to mention an overwhelming inability to understand the point someone's making if you don't agree with them. Me defending myself isn't "crying," it's just defending myself. You're saying I'm crying to make me sound weak in comparison. Won't work. You don't seem to like confident women, do you?

Just now, ARTPOPdidntflop said:

There is no racial hatred towards Iggy Azalea. Literally everything your saying ISN'T TRUE. It doesn't exist!!! There is no "culture" that tells white people they aren't good enough because they're white. Stop making stuff up. I'm not making you look bad, you're making yourself look bad by deluding yourself into thinking white people have all this stuff going against them while black people have it easier like omg

Really? Because I see some reference to "she can't rap because she's white" everywhere I look. And see, there you go again, just like Harry, deliberately missing the point to make me look bad. You just cherry picked a phrase and took it out of context to make it look racist when it wasn't. That kind of psychological manipulation doesn't work on me. I said that WE HAVE A CULTURE THAT MAKES WHITES FEEL LIKE THEY ARE INCAPABLE OF BEING GOOD RAPPERS. But you made it sound as if I said whites are raised in a culture that makes us feel like we're not good enough in general, which isn't what I said at all. EVERYTHING THAT I SAY REFERS TO THE REALM OF MUSIC AND URBAN MUSIC IN PARTICULAR, NOT LIFE IN GENERAL. I also never said that black people have it easy, in general. All I said was that THEY HAVE ADVANTAGES BEING BLACK IN URBAN MUSIC AND WHITES DON'T HAVE THESE ADVANTAGES. If anyone is looking bad, it's you, seeing as you utterly miss my unbelievably obvious points, so I have to spell them out for you. For the last time, I think blacks and whites should be treated equally in music. But both have disadvantages in certain music genres that need to be acknowledged and ammended.

[ARTPOPdidntflop 3,987]

9 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

Really? Because I see some reference to "she can't rap because she's white" everywhere I look. And see, there you go again, just like Harry, deliberately missing the point to make me look bad. You just cherry picked a phrase and took it out of context to make it look racist when it wasn't. That kind of psychological manipulation doesn't work on me. I said that WE HAVE A CULTURE THAT MAKES WHITES FEEL LIKE THEY ARE INCAPABLE OF BEING GOOD RAPPERS. But you made it sound as if I said whites are raised in a culture that makes us feel like we're not good enough in general, which isn't what I said at all. EVERYTHING THAT I SAY REFERS TO THE REALM OF MUSIC AND URBAN MUSIC IN PARTICULAR, NOT LIFE IN GENERAL. I also never said that black people have it easy, in general. All I said was that THEY HAVE ADVANTAGES BEING BLACK IN URBAN MUSIC AND WHITES DON'T HAVE THESE ADVANTAGES. If anyone is looking bad, it's you, seeing as you utterly miss my unbelievably obvious points, so I have to spell them out for you. For the last time, I think blacks and whites should be treated equally in music. But both have disadvantages in certain music genres that need to be acknowledged and ammended.

Stop making things up, there is no such culture. Iggy Azalea came along and became successful without being that good. Whites have it easy. 

I've never seen people say she can't rap because she's white. Idk where you're looking. 

Where are you getting your facts from, or are these your opinions? I think the latter

[StrawberryBlond 14,862]

Just now, ARTPOPdidntflop said:

Just now, ARTPOPdidntflop said:

Stop making things up, there is no such culture. Iggy Azalea came along and became successful without being that good. Whites have it easy. 

I've never seen people say she can't rap because she's white. Idk where you're looking. 

Where are you getting your facts from, or are these your opinions? I think the latter

Stop making things up, there is no such culture. Iggy Azalea came along and became successful without being that good. Whites have it easy. 

I've never seen people say she can't rap because she's white. Idk where you're looking. 

Where are you getting your facts from, or are these your opinions? I think the latter

Of course there is! Vanilla Ice practically birthed the stereotype of "whites can't rap!" and ruined all credibility for them ever since! Stop denying what is right in front of you because you're so focused on being PC! Whether you think Iggy is good or not is a matter of opinion but the fact she made it is no proof of whites having it easy. She's the only white female rapper to have ever made it big. If one black artist finally made it big in country music would you say blacks have it easy? Of course you wouldn't, so stop doing the same for whites. Iggy's career has gone right down the pan after Fancy because she got dragged so much for being white. I'd never seen such a thing. So many black rappers out there are worse than her and their careers keep going. Iggy only gets demonised because she's white. Her music is on the same level as most other current rappers right now. Rap's in a mess today - after the golden age of the 90's, it went downhill and very few rappers are still making good stuff to this day. Iggy's material is no worse than anyone else's.

You only need to look up any article about Iggy and you see comments from people saying she can't rap because she's white. You only need to read any thread about her on GGD to see such comments too. It's digusting. Racism is racism and it should never be tolerated. You're the one who is making stuff up by saying all of this doesn't exist. It's right under your nose. But you're so obsessed with trying to white knight (if you pardon the pun) can't you can't see the obvious. Believe it or not, there's advantages to being in the "disadvantaged" group in a lot of things in life. By thinking "I'm in an oppressed minority, I'll never get anywhere in life," you're limiting yourself and therefore lowering your chances without even seeing if you can achieve. Self belief is the first step to acheiving your dreams. Sometimes, the "disadvantaged" can hold more cards than they think they do. I'll borrow a phrase I once heard craig say in reference to why Iggy isn't advantaged to be a white rapper: "I'm sure we'd all agree that tall men are generally advantaged over short men in life...but not when it comes to being a jockey!"

[Harry 26,836]

31 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

I never said that blacks don't deserve success in country. It blows me away how whatever I say goes right over your head. Either that, or you're deliberately being obstructive. I WAS EXPLAINING WHY THERE AREN'T MANY BLACKS IN COUNTRY MUSIC - BECAUSE THEY FEEL LIKE THEY'RE NOT WANTED THERE. AND THAT'S BAD. Now, what part of that can possibly be misunderstood? I never dismissed anything you said. Yes, there are black country artists, yes, they don't get promotion much because it's assumed the public don't want black country artists, yes, they don't get awards because no one gives much thought to country artists. This is racist. This is unfair. I never denied this! But...what's equally unfair is how whites get treated in rap. Getting told you are somehow defective on the basis of the colour of your skin sickens me beyond belief. And that goes for all races. It doesn't matter if one has more privilege than the other. Music is for all, we should all sing whatever genres we want and get the right props for it if we're good enough.

I brought up how much I love black rappers because you were accusing me of being racist and I was defending myself! Just like I said to ARTPOPdidntflop, what do I have to do to prove I'm not a racist? Nothing, apparently. I only "see race" when I have to, i.e. in race discussions like here. I'm talking about what people who do "see race" see when they look at black artists.

No, I'm saying that I find it hurtful that a white person would be so against me when they must realise how easy it is to be wrongly accused of being racist when you're white. That's why I never accuse anyone of racism unless it's undisputed - because as a white person, I know what it's like to live with the fear that it's you're going to be accused of it one day. Like now.

I never said that Beyonce et al don't deserve respect or have no credibility. I'm just explaining why they may get they get the props they rightfully deserve but white urban artists don't always get the props they rightfully deserve. If black urban artists get the props for being good, white urban artists should get the props for being good too. What part of that can you not understand? I'm not crying over what whites don't have, I just question why they don't get the respect they deserve when they're good when black artists don't struggle at all. Of course I realise it's trivial in the grand scheme of things, but in the realm of music, it's not trivial at all. And I love music too much to see unfairness in it, especially when it comes to something so superficial as race. And do you get the country thing yet or do I have to repeat it again?

I don't think I'm some sort of goddess angel. I'm imperfect, like everyone else. It's you who has the belief that you're better than you are. You are the one who is showing ignorance and intolerance, not to mention an overwhelming inability to understand the point someone's making if you don't agree with them. Me defending myself isn't "crying," it's just defending myself. You're saying I'm crying to make me sound weak in comparison. Won't work. You don't seem to like confident women, do you?

It's the same thing only whites have succeeded more in rap than blacks have in country and that's a damn fact and you're plain stupid if you can't acknowledge that. And you're treating it so casually. "Yes, they do. Yes, blah blah. Yes, it's racist. Yes, it's bad." And then you launch into this passionate speech about how disgusting it is that whites are treated unfairly.

I don't think you're racist I just think you're ignorant and have old-fashioned views.

"...because as a white person, I know what it's like to live with the fear that it's you're going to be accused of it one day. Like now." yes, it sucks for us white folk, doesn't it? Such hardships! I hate living in fear that someone might verbally challenge us! God forbid.

You're crying over what white people don't have. Simple. "I just question why they don't get the respect they deserve when they're good when black artists don't struggle at all" Who? Give me some examples of good white artists that don't get the respect they deserve.

Please shut up with that s-xism accusation. How ridiculously absurd of you to go there. But then again, I'm not surprised. This isn't about gender so don't even go there. Your stupidity and ignorance isn't something mutually exclusive with your s-x. I find it hilarious that you would say that when you were dragging certain women down for how they choose to present themselves whilst I was actively defending and celebrating them, but that's another matter.

[Harry 26,836]

9 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

Of course there is! Vanilla Ice practically birthed the stereotype of "whites can't rap!" and ruined all credibility for them ever since! Stop denying what is right in front of you because you're so focused on being PC! Whether you think Iggy is good or not is a matter of opinion but the fact she made it is no proof of whites having it easy. She's the only white female rapper to have ever made it big. If one black artist finally made it big in country music would you say blacks have it easy? Of course you wouldn't, so stop doing the same for whites. Iggy's career has gone right down the pan after Fancy because she got dragged so much for being white. I'd never seen such a thing. So many black rappers out there are worse than her and their careers keep going. Iggy only gets demonised because she's white. Her music is on the same level as most other current rappers right now. Rap's in a mess today - after the golden age of the 90's, it went downhill and very few rappers are still making good stuff to this day. Iggy's material is no worse than anyone else's.

You only need to look up any article about Iggy and you see comments from people saying she can't rap because she's white. You only need to read any thread about her on GGD to see such comments too. It's digusting. Racism is racism and it should never be tolerated. You're the one who is making stuff up by saying all of this doesn't exist. It's right under your nose. But you're so obsessed with trying to white knight (if you pardon the pun) can't you can't see the obvious. Believe it or not, there's advantages to being in the "disadvantaged" group in a lot of things in life. By thinking "I'm in an oppressed minority, I'll never get anywhere in life," you're limiting yourself and therefore lowering your chances without even seeing if you can achieve. Self belief is the first step to acheiving your dreams. Sometimes, the "disadvantaged" can hold more cards than they think they do. I'll borrow a phrase I once heard craig say in reference to why Iggy isn't advantaged to be a white rapper: "I'm sure we'd all agree that tall men are generally advantaged over short men in life...but not when it comes to being a jockey!"

"Her music is on the same level as most other current rappers right now." where? She's on the same level as Pitbull and Flo Rida in the eyes of most. You aren't very knowledgeable in this particular field it seems. Eminem, Mac Miller, the Beastie Boys, Logic, Yelawolf... These are a few white rappers who are taken seriously. They aren't comparable to Iggy, Vanilla Ice, Riff Raff... Her music not being taken seriously isn't because she's white, it's because she's trash. Although her personal missteps when it comes to addressing race issues hasn't helped, I'll give you that.

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25 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

She's the only white female rapper to have ever made it big. If one black artist finally made it big in country music would you say blacks have it easy? Of course you wouldn't, so stop doing the same for whites. Iggy's career has gone right down the pan after Fancy because she got dragged so much for being white. I'd never seen such a thing. So many black rappers out there are worse than her and their careers keep going. Iggy only gets demonised because she's white. 

Believe it or not, there's advantages to being in the "disadvantaged" group in a lot of things in life. By thinking "I'm in an oppressed minority, I'll never get anywhere in life," you're limiting yourself and therefore lowering your chances without even seeing if you can achieve. Self belief is the first step to acheiving your dreams. 

You're so distanced from reality that I can't help you.......

I stopped here, i'm done trying to argue with you. You are making up false statements and it's tiring. "Iggy got dragged for being white" "Iggy gets demonised for being white" "Only white female rapper to make it big" "So many black artists are worse than her"

Stop saying "Black artists aren't good that have made it big" LIKE WHO, actually back up your statements with content then I might take you seriously, but all of what you say is so vague and you don't give any examples, facts, anything

 

 

You have no grasp of what minorities have to deal with and your entire world view is limited. What you're saying is actually so outrageous it's not even cohorent.

"There's advantages to being disadvantaged" "Self belief is the first step in achieving your dreams" What the hell, you really think it's that easy. You should educate yourself because you come off as extremely ignorant of other minorities issues

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12 minutes ago, Harry said:

"Her music is on the same level as most other current rappers right now." where? She's on the same level as Pitbull and Flo Rida in the eyes of most. You aren't very knowledgeable in this particular field it seems. Eminem, Mac Miller, the Beastie Boys, Logic, Yelawolf... These are a few white rappers who are taken seriously. They aren't comparable to Iggy, Vanilla Ice, Riff Raff... Her music not being taken seriously isn't because she's white, it's because she's trash. Although her personal missteps when it comes to addressing race issues hasn't helped, I'll give you that.

It's actually so funny how she expects us to take her seriously but I can tell she has ZERO knowledge on rap and black artists and she's trying to act like she's educating us about how hard white people have it in the rap industry and all she talks about is Iggy..... 

[Harry 26,836]

6 minutes ago, ARTPOPdidntflop said:

It's actually so funny how she expects us to take her seriously but I can tell she has ZERO knowledge on rap and black artists and she's trying to act like she's educating us about how hard white people have it in the rap industry and all she talks about is Iggy..... 

It's because she's the only example. There's no other white women who have really become noteworthy to compare her to, so she seems like a good argument. But honestly the only reason white people do have a harder time breaking into rap is because most of them do it as a kind of fetishised novelty (i.e. Iggy, Vanilla Ice). Not to mention Iggy's previous racist remarks on Twitter. When white rappers come through and do it genuinely (i.e. Eminem, Macklemore, Logic, Action Bronson, Yelawolf, Mac Miller blahblahblah...), people listen.

The more interesting conversation to be had about inclusion and diversity in rap is how females are treated, and - god forbid - LGBT rappers. There's so many female rappers, even the 'classic' ones, and so few ever broke out as legitimate crossover superstars, whereas there are plenty of males.

Also her accusing me of being s-xist and not liking "confident women" was a laugh as she was complaining about how whites have to tread on egg shells, "living in fear" of being accused of racism, then all of a sudden out of the blue I'm accused of being s-xist lol