Kayla 7,595 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 But that's exactly why she's not an artist. Gaga would rather end her career and kill her commercial success than put out something she's not passionate about or be forced to behave/look a certain way. DWUW video, all her speeches/behaviour at SXSW... She'd rather die than be told who to be. Gaga risked it ALL with Born This Way, she took the risk of "alienating the public with a complete image makeover" but it was true to her and it was important. Hell, Gaga does a complete image makeover every week now. I don't blame Katy only for her failures, I blame her for her whole career. God, Prism is her third album, she shouldn't be a puppet anymore. Don't say she's forced to do anything, don't use those excuses, you always have the choice to do your own thing. Your team is here to guide you and help you achieve your vision, not dictate who you are. This quote sums up everything: "Katy Perry isn't "Woman Of The Year" because she's made any great strides for her gender, or questioned her position in popular culture, or challenged the dominant social structures in her life. She's "Woman Of The Year" because she's done the exact opposite on all counts. She's been quiet, complacent, and pretty, and she's made her executives and managers millions of dollars in the process. She's the version of "woman" the industry wants her to be - that is, the exact opposite of a healthy role model for young girls." ARTPOP promo and singles are a mess because of Gaga's rebelious spirit. It sure pisses me off that ARTPOP didn't get the success it deserved because of internal sabotage but I totally respect Gaga for having integrity. If a Katy single doesn't do good, a next one with full visuals and video is out within days. It's a factory, nothing is thoughtout or researched in any way by Katy, it's absolutely not possible. It's shallow and an empty spectacle and that's why she will never be worth my time as long as she doesn't put out something that is true to her. Also, just gonne leave this here: That piece Gaga wrote: She knows her ****. Instead of bashing Katy for this, we should be applauding Gaga. She WANTS Art to have a more prominent role in pop culture. For her vision to work it can't just be HER promoting and recreating past works of art- other people need to be involved too. If a fan were to wear the same dress, we'd talk about how cool it is, how awesome it is that they used a piece of art as inspiration, etc. But if Katy does it, she's bashed, said she's copying, etc. But wouldn't a Gaga fan wearing it because Gaga got them interested in art also be copying? I guess the difference is intention; the fan would do it out of love to our fave and would openly pay tribute to Gaga, whereas Katy may not acknowledge ARTPOP as an inspiration. My point is: Instead of looking at this photo and rolling our eyes, we should look at it and high five Gaga. Art is finding its place again in Pop culture. We can't expect everyone joining up with the idea to become experts overnight, and we will see some know-nothings coming through using the ARTPOP as a way to only fuel their own career, but we should at least be happy that Gaga is making an impact. You comparing her to Gaga has nothing to do with the argument. Of course Katy will seem lessor in comparison to another singer in the business, but you're comparing a pop star to an artist. Gaga is clearly more passionate about her work and her artistry than Katy, yes. She cares more for the art and expression than the fame. Her and Katy have different ideals for their careers, and that's okay. There's tons and tons and tons of generic singers who make fun, mindless pop music. Katy is the queen of this era in terms of that type of music and manages to have her own shtick in the process. There are so many horribly generic singers out there that nobody pays attention to and yet Katy has become sort of an image for how that looks when it turns out right. Her past success is undeniable. Comparing her to Gaga is comparing apples and oranges, as Gaga reigns supreme over modern day commercial pop artists that are actually, well, artists. People always look at Katy as if she's supposed to be like Gaga is, artistry wise. Katy is not meant to be the level of artist that Gaga is. It's like taking a dog and asking it to fly like an eagle does, it's just not going to happen. That doesn't mean dogs suck compared to birds! It just means you have to accept the fact that the dog can't fly and that you can enjoy it for what it can do. Enjoy Gaga for her artistry and enjoy Katy for her pop music. Her record label having those expectations is not an excuse at all. Azealia Banks, to name an artist, was royally screwed over by being prevented from releasing music by Interscope Records. No, it didn't control her life, but it controlled her ability to release music. Labels do have power. This isn't to say that they would drop Katy if she pitched a darker album, but they could deny her from releasing it. They could easily say that it isn't the type of music they're looking for and refuse to promote it. A label and team who funds and backs her material as much as hers does clearly has the right to a lot of influence in her career, and has certain ideals for her as an artist, musically and aesthetically. She doesn't necessarily have to veer away from their decision. She may see it in her best interests to follow the label's idea of what will make her more successful and chooses not to challenge this. She may enjoy being famous, there's really nothing wrong with that. She could even be afraid that if the direction she's hoping to go in doesn't work out, it could be the end of her career. That's a risk she potentially doesn't want to make, because even if she manages to follow her artistry for the next album and she loses her global appeal because of it, there's no guarantee that it will be even good, critically. It's wise for her to be safe now. Would you ask Marilyn Monroe to prove one of Albert Einstein's hypotheses? Would you ask Katy Perry to be as artistic as Gaga? Some people like artists. Some people like pop stars. What people are doing here is comparing a pop star to an artist and all it's doing is shining negativity onto Katy. Appreciate her for the fact that she's not the most serious, artistic or risk-taking singer. Appreciate her for the fact she's a bubblegum pop star. Appreciate her for the fact of what she is, not what you think she should be based off other people's careers and artistry. That being said, her latest material isn't her best, but there are a few gems on PRISM such as Dark Horse and Legendary Lovers. When she gets it right, she gets it right. If she's not an artist to you or worth your respect because she's not an artist, your reply will surely be negative. So by even commenting in this thread it's clear that you will be negative, and this is the mentality of most Katy haters. Why even comment if it's just going to be the same tired thing as everyone else? Is there a point to that, really? These are all fantastic points and I agree with every word. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
somechick 1 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 It's not that hard Katy's wearing an outrageous outfit ispired by art...in a world without Gaga she would still be like this forever :millie: oh god, my eyes. I actually like the dress (or top and skirt) based on Mondriaan, but the rest of the look - not so much. That wig makes her look almost too white. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReRe 1,957 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 This wasn't necessary. Am I the only one in this thread who is not okay with Katy being described with a Gaga reference? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benji 20,113 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 This look is more "ARTPOP" than anything gaga attempted to wear this era so it wouldn't surprise me if MTV is actually shading Gaga. Katy has literally embodied everything Gaga was trying to do and possibly done it better in one picture. Also all of you tend to overlook, Gaga called Katy on "copying" her... Wouldn't it be so ironic if Katy then took her idea and done it better as revenge? Hmm. Katy's ARTPOP certainly could mean a whole lot more than "anything", she might want blood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOTRODSGAGA 81 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 :emo: Lol Dark Horse is probably the stupidest video I've ever seen. How bout birtjday? It was stage and it still was ba--l Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenix 17,395 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 So she's recreating famous artworks with fashion. Very ARTPOP. 💎 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gagz 2,579 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Are they shading Gaga or Katy? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayla 7,595 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Hold on. Another picture released for this has Katy looking a lot like Brooke Candy. Is it possible she's intentionally trying to reference other artists in an inspiration/homage type of way? I'm waiting for the actual video before I go making assumptions and calling "copycat." (I'm not getting my hopes up too much though, tbh I just like giving people the benefit of the doubt) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariano 958 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Poor ARTPOP being compared to Katy Perry Gaga really flopped hard with it huh ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Married the Night 3,955 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 That's a great photo. And it actually very ARTPOP. More ARTPOP than most of ARTPOP. This look is more "ARTPOP" than anything gaga attempted to wear this era so it wouldn't surprise me if MTV is actually shading Gaga. Katy has literally embodied everything Gaga was trying to do and possibly done it better in one picture. Also all of you tend to overlook, Gaga called Katy on "copying" her... Wouldn't it be so ironic if Katy then took her idea and done it better as revenge? Hmm. Katy's ARTPOP certainly could mean a whole lot more than "anything", she might want blood. I strongly dislike katy but I agree. This outfit is so ARTPOP. I love it. I miss when gaga was this polished. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HANZ 4,380 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 PRISM is her BTW era but worse now her ARTPOP era is coming My Favs = Lady Gaga, Janet Jackson, Ricky Martin, AKB48 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleachella 2,932 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 I'm so excited Laughing at all the pressed comments :rip: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poker 3,728 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Poor ARTPOP being compared to Katy Perry Kindness rules all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
superman 32 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 not some poor member calling my comment stupid when some of them are in here perched and pressed by katy :) of cource ppl are allowed to criticize. but what you are doing here is not criticize but partying cause katy got some shade from a big tv station. WOW :) and yes the tour is grossing more per date than gaga has ever grossed with similar attendance and is more successful. where are the lies? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dangerous Man 9,245 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 :rip: What r u doin sis.? "A little less conversation and a little more touch my body." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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