C2C not a "side" project....

[giskardsb 12,565]

I agree with this. People make it seem like electronic music is soulless and it's not as gaga said before. It's funny because I'm pretty sure most people hyping this jazz album probably weren't even jazz fans before and are now suddenly educated in that genre and feel the need to belittle electronic music

 

I have over 3000 CD's in every genre.  There is great electronic music out there and great jazz, and great pop, and country, and world music, and flamenco, and R&B, and hip hop, etc etc.

 

However, pop is best handled as it's own genre.  Pop can have great songwriting and musicians, but it often doesn't.  It's also often based on watered down versions of other genres, with just enough "dub step" or "electronic" or "Hip hop" to make it palatable to more people but not adventurous enough to threaten.  Pop gets it's bad reputation because it often deservers it.  Not always mind you because there are talented people in pop, but more than any genre pop is likely to be corporate driven and team produced with the design to be as successful as possible.  Yet great artists do appear, Fleetwood Mac for example, Gaga obviously, John Mayer, Carol King, Adele, Amy Winehouse, Pink, etc.  

[Alien Tulip 12,428]

I have over 3000 CD's in every genre.  There is great electronic music out there and great jazz, and great pop, and country, and world music, and flamenco, and R&B, and hip hop, etc etc.

 

However, pop is best handled as it's own genre.  Pop can have great songwriting and musicians, but it often doesn't.  It's also often based on watered down versions of other genres, with just enough "dub step" or "electronic" or "Hip hop" to make it palatable to more people but not adventurous enough to threaten.  Pop gets it's bad reputation because it often deservers it.  Not always mind you because there are talented people in pop, but more than any genre pop is likely to be corporate driven and team produced with the design to be as successful as possible.  Yet great artists do appear, Fleetwood Mac for example, Gaga obviously, John Mayer, Carol King, Adele, Amy Winehouse, Pink, etc.  

 

I agree but I don't think just because pop has a bad reputation should mean that gaga should go a different route. Gaga can evolve musically while still remaining under the pop umbrella. Pop music actually has a lot of variety as the many artists you listed and they are all different from each other in many ways. I think Gaga still has the potential to make more creative pop music similar to her first three albums while still evolving and maybe more experimental. I prefer gaga's electronic glam rock songs like in the fame or dark european sounds like the fame monster but I can deal with her moving forward and doing something more innovative and futuristic. 

[Tropico 4,145]

Yeah when in reality her best performances vocally were her doing pop songs like paparazzi acoustic, vmas 09, edge of glory howard stern etc. I also think "some" fans only care about this album so that she can play it safe and win a grammy just because tony is part of the album and he wins big a lot (even though I doubt this album will really get any grammys). I'm not negative on Gaga I just view this album as a side project and she's already talked about her next album after cheek to cheek.

It's clear as crystal that most of those people only want this album for Grammy's and if it doesn't get "OMG I HATE IT FLOP 2 FLOP EW! I NEVER LIKED JAZZ!"

[giskardsb 12,565]

I agree but I don't think just because pop has a bad reputation should mean that gaga should go a different route. Gaga can evolve musically while still remaining under the pop umbrella. Pop music actually has a lot of variety as the many artists you listed and they are all different from each other in many ways. I think Gaga still has the potential to make more creative pop music similar to her first three albums while still evolving and maybe more experimental. I prefer gaga's electronic glam rock songs like in the fame or dark european sounds like the fame monster but I can deal with her moving forward and doing something more innovative and futuristic. 

 

yeah we agree on this, although I don't think she'll follow the formula set by the first three albums.  Thats why I said I don't think she'll quit pop, but I bet the pop music she's making 20 years from now is closer to Carol King and Elton John than to RedOne and Madeon.

[SpaceAce 1,058]

I really don't think people are being immature about this at all I just think some people like me don't really care for this album. Of course I'll listen to the songs and watch performances but it wont be anything exciting for me since most of the album is probably covers and in my honest opinion I don't think Gaga is really that good in jazz, she's just decent as opposed to someone like amy winehouse who excelled in that genre. I am looking forward for the songs she wrote like paradise. For now I'm only looking forward for her real next album.

 

[Alien Tulip 12,428]

It's clear as crystal that most of those people only want this album for Grammy's and if it doesn't get "OMG I HATE IT FLOP 2 FLOP EW! I NEVER LIKED JAZZ!"

 

Yeah its insane how fans really want music for the charts and awards when gaga made it really clear in her sxsw interview earlier this year that she really doesnt care about that stuff anymore and doesnt mind moving out of the commercial world if it means she has to be told to make a certain type of music. It was the same with ARTPOP when it leaked fans loved it and when it underperformed fans suddenly hated. Even if ARTPOP went diamond and was massively successful I still wouldn't like the album because I judge music from my ears and not by numbers like a few fans. 

[SpaceAce 1,058]

OMG YES! They're like "You should really open up to more music tastes. *insert more pretentious wannabe jazz stan stuff.*"

I can't at people thinking all pop is basic and souless and doesn't "showcase Gaga's vocals".

 

It's not and definitely does showcase her vocals but in a different way. You'll hear it soon enough. There's no comparison between her Aura vocals to the technique and flair that she uses in jazz.

[Alien Tulip 12,428]

yeah we agree on this, although I don't think she'll follow the formula set by the first three albums.  Thats why I said I don't think she'll quit pop, but I bet the pop music she's making 20 years from now is closer to Carol King and Elton John than to RedOne and Madeon.

 

Yeah most definitely. I really do think her music will mature after cheek to cheek as she hinted backstage. I wouldn't mind her doing an album similar to sia's new album sound wise or maybe even go through the risky tunnel of doing experimental music like bjork and hopefully we get to see the full visions of the music now that she has a new manager.

[Tropico 4,145]

Yeah its insane how fans really want music for the charts and awards when gaga made it really clear in her sxsw interview earlier this year that she really doesnt care about that stuff anymore and doesnt mind moving out of the commercial world if it means she has to be told to make a certain type of music. It was the same with artpop when it leaked fans loved it and when it underperformed fans suddenly hated. Even if artpop went diamond and was massively successful I still wouldn't like the album because I judge music from my ears and not by numbers like a few fans.

Fans are really fake tbh.

I still remember the raving about ARTPOP the first 1 or 2 weeks and stuff and when the reviews came in people changed so quickly. Chart monsters tbh. :smh:

[SpaceAce 1,058]

Yeah its insane how fans really want music for the charts and awards when gaga made it really clear in her sxsw interview earlier this year that she really doesnt care about that stuff anymore and doesnt mind moving out of the commercial world if it means she has to be told to make a certain type of music. It was the same with ARTPOP when it leaked fans loved it and when it underperformed fans suddenly hated. Even if ARTPOP went diamond and was massively successful I still wouldn't like the album because I judge music from my ears and not by numbers like a few fans. 

 

 

It's stupid to not want Gaga to critically succeed. Maybe the pop charts don't matter but Grammys are ****ing important. Rebuilding some kind of relationship with the people who aren't typical listeners is important to her pop career too. If the gp and critics keep pushing her away, then there goes her budget, her big, shows, her promo appearances, her opportunity to have a greater social impact. These things are all important to her, no matter what she says about the commercial world. She's a popstar and she's knows what its about and how it works and loves it - she wouldn't be so good at it if she didnt.

[Tropico 4,145]

It's not and definitely does showcase her vocals but in a different way. You'll hear it soon enough. There's no comparison between her Aura vocals to the technique and flair that she uses in jazz.

I said specifically the chorus vocals.

And I just find is SO annoying when people think "Oh yeah pop is basic. I love jazz yaaaass." "Pop doesn't showcase her vocals."

[Alien Tulip 12,428]

It's stupid to not want Gaga to critically succeed. Maybe the pop charts don't matter but Grammys are ****ing important. Rebuilding some kind of relationship with the people who aren't typical listeners is important to her pop career too. If the gp and critics keep pushing her away, then there goes her budget, her big, shows, her promo appearances, her opportunity to have a greater social impact. These things are all important to her, no matter what she ways about the commercial world. She's a popstar and she's knows what its about and how it works and loves it - she wouldn't be so good at it if she didnt.

 

That's you but not me because awards don't define an artists talent and gaga has made that clear many times. Even if Gaga left the commercial world and just made music undeground again like from 2005-2007 then I'll still be a fan because truthfully I like her "do it yourself" pop performances better. I'm not a fan of her "big stages, lightings, million dollar dresses" etc. I would rather her still make music like she does now. I like it better when she works organically and makes her own clothes/inventions rather than just wearing versace all the time.

[SpaceAce 1,058]

I said specifically the chorus vocals.

And I just find is SO annoying when people think "Oh yeah pop is basic. I love jazz yaaaass." "Pop doesn't showcase her vocals."

 

Even the chorus vocals can't compare to what she does with jazz. Did you hear those clips from the Montreal show? She was doing her best Ella Fitzgerald impersonation at some points and it was amazing. She just simply does more and better things with that style. No one is saying that her pop vocals aren't amazing either, they're just too different to compare and often don't require the same level of skill. 

[giskardsb 12,565]

Even the chorus vocals can't compare to what she does with jazz. Did you hear those clips from the Montreal show? She was doing her best Ella Fitzgerald impersonation at some points and it was amazing. She just simply does more and better things with that style. No one is saying that her pop vocals aren't amazing either, they're just too different to compare and often don't require the same level of skill. 

 

And actually when people talk about her best "pop" vocal performances it's when she sits down to a piano and gives the songs a broadway/cabaret/jazz flair.   It may not be obvious, but those elements are always present to some extent in her acoustic performances.  It's why her teachers used to tell her she was "too theatre to sing pop" and "too pop to sing theatre."  She mixes genres in her vocal styles.

 

some Jazz purists would consider her Lush Life performance to have a bit too much "broadway."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5skk2iGZP9c

[Tropico 4,145]

Even the chorus vocals can't compare to what she does with jazz. Did you hear those clips from the Montreal show? She was doing her best Ella Fitzgerald impersonation at some points and it was amazing. She just simply does more and better things with that style. No one is saying that her pop vocals aren't amazing either, they're just too different to compare and often don't require the same level of skill.

Excuse me but have you seen some of her acoustic performances? Those S L A Y. The Edge Of Glory by itself is good vocals now Acapella or Acoustic SLAY.

But obviously and as usual people put down pop and raise jazz.