Willy Wonka 4 Posted July 25, 2014 Author Share Posted July 25, 2014 Lily was noticeably less invested in Sheezus though. She said it herself. Gaga was utterly devoted to ARTPOP. The situations aren't parallel, sorry... Gaga doesn't need to apologize for an underperformance. Lily only apologized for her belief that she gave up some artistic integrity. Just to clarify, the parallels that I wanted to focus on was the underperformance, the blaming of the manager, the firing of the manager, and the outspoken rebellion against the label. To make a bold statement from which to create a dialogue: Ultimately, Lily has taken responsibility for her shortcomings, while Gaga has alleged that people pushed her to return before she was ready, her manager didn't give her enough time for videos (which she contradicted herself on because she also said she had been working on the video for weeks), bloggers were out to get her, etc. To go even further back, let's remember when she wrote that long post on LM.com after the FAME commercial came out talking about how the FAME commercial was an example of how good things could be when she was in control, insinuating that the BTW era was heavily influenced by the label and that's why it wasn't as good as it should have been. I have no doubt that certain aspects of Gaga's career have been mismanaged by others, but she's done a lot of finger pointing and hasn't taken much responsibility. I can't remember any time where she said "this was my fault". It's her label's fault or her manager's fault or someone betrayed her. TL;DR- If you've ever seen Mean Girls, you know that at the end, Lindsay Lohan decides to take credit for the entire Burn Book, even though it's obviously not all hers. It's the mature thing to do. From my perspective, I'm seeing Lily Allen doing that type of thing- it wasn't all her fault, but she's taking responsibility because at the end of the day, she is the artist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mills 446 Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 I thought it was very mature of Lily. It showed an eagerness to want to learn from her own mistakes that she personally saw. Now I wouldn't want someone to apologize over commercial success or lack there of, and I don't think it's a good logical connection that quality and commercial success always go hand in hand, but if you feel you personally didn't give something your all or your best, it shows a lot about your character if you're willing to admit that. Now I don't know how this would work with Gaga, none of us do. If she truly feels ARTPOP was her best effort for that album, then she has nothing to apologize for. Agreed with everything. The music material might be very vital to sell it to as many people as possible, but it isn't the case all the time. There are songs out there which are 'catchy' and/or of good quality, but due to the other factors apart from the music itself such as promotion, artist association/reputation/image, timing, competition, et.al - it still fails to catch the public's attention and commitment to purchase. On the other hand, we see a song like Harlem Shake (HS) debuting at the top of the HOT 100. It has a great and addictive sound, but was it really the intention of Baauer to top the charts by giving his all? Doubt it. I find some of his works much better than HS, but should he apologize to his fans if his other works couldn't be as big as HS? No. And same goes to all other artists, including Gaga. However, being blatantly lazy and apathetic is a different matter. If they apologize, then good. It shows their character. If not, then it's fine as well. It's their prerogative anyway. But don't they ever feel sorry once their fans start to leave them. They have a choice, and so do the fans. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creyk 17,817 Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 When Jessie-J said the same thing we all called her a flop but when Lily does it we worship her It's okay though, no one likes Jessie. As for Gaga..enough talking. I don't need her to apologize, or say anything actually. Just talk less and do a better job. Make better music which you don't have to apologize for Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACKOUTbritney 22,356 Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 Lily was noticeably less invested in Sheezus though. She said it herself. Gaga was utterly devoted to ARTPOP. The situations aren't parallel, sorry... Gaga doesn't need to apologize for an underperformance. Lily only apologized for her belief that she gave up some artistic integrity.This. Couldn't have said it better :applause: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaronyoji 2,054 Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 Just to clarify, the parallels that I wanted to focus on was the underperformance, the blaming of the manager, the firing of the manager, and the outspoken rebellion against the label. Ultimately, Lily has taken responsibility for her shortcomings, while Gaga has alleged that people pushed her to return before she was ready, her manager didn't give her enough time for videos (which she contradicted herself on because she also said she had been working on the video for weeks), bloggers were out to get her, etc. To go even further back, let's remember when she wrote that long post on LM.com after the FAME commercial came out talking about how the FAME commercial was an example of how good things could be when she was in control, insinuating that the BTW era was heavily influenced by the label and that's why it wasn't as good as it should have been. I have no doubt that certain aspects of Gaga's career have been mismanaged by others, but she's done a lot of finger pointing and hasn't taken much responsibility. I can't remember any time where she said "this was my fault". It's her label's fault or her manager's fault or someone betrayed her. TL;DR- If you've ever seen Mean Girls, you know that at the end, Lindsay Lohan decides to take credit for the entire Burn Book, even though it's obviously not all hers. It's the mature thing to do. From my perspective, I'm seeing Lily Allen doing that type of thing- it wasn't all her fault, but she's taking responsibility because at the end of the day, she is the artist. at the same time tho, shes hinted many times that if it weren't for the label/management, ARTPOP as an album would be substantially different. if things had turned out a lot better with gaga's original material on the record no one would be asking her to 'take responsibility". we dont really know the 100% story with gaga so its really tough to just say "yes its all her fault that her record under performed and she happened to mention her struggle with her management. gaga is not the kind of person to say "i know my record hasnt sold as much as possible sorry its my fault my work just isnt good enough". she doesnt see ARTPOP as a failure so asking her to apologize for said "failure" is a losing battle. also she never really blamed troy for ARTPOP's sales or reception. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elizabeth 450 Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 But when you think about her comments during the Fall and Winter, she was constantly shifting blame to others. If nothing was failing or underperforming, there would be no blame to shift. I didn't say that nothing 'failed' or 'under performed', but she shouldn't have to apologise for something under performing. I think their situations are very different despite some similarities in management issues. I also don't think "constantly shifting blame" is accurate. I get that she called out Troy/management and the music industry in general fairly often, but without knowing the details of what went down it's hard to make a solid statement about what Gaga should take responsibility for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
monsterdreams 1,529 Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 I don't think gaga would apologise because she sees ARTPOP as her best and most creative album, and if she thinks that she's not gonna be sorry about it. I'm not saying she should or she shouldn't though. Haters gonna need more than a flashlight for my shade Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adakam 2 Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 Gaga shouldnt apologize for the album's performance because thats not the reason she made it for, its like getting a birthday cake and complaining about the candles, its just not the point Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willy Wonka 4 Posted July 25, 2014 Author Share Posted July 25, 2014 Gaga shouldnt apologize for the album's performance because thats not the reason she made it for, its like getting a birthday cake and complaining about the candles, its just not the point absolutely have done it before Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
amenART 429 Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 ARTPOP was a commercial success though, perhaps not as big as her previous works, but it still did well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
popper 3 Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 I appreciate Lily Allen's candor, but if Gaga loves ARTPOP, there's no need for her to pretend otherwise. For the record, I think ARTPOP is a great record and I don't think sales should be the litmus test for quality. Exactly ----------- if Gaga turned around now saying "it could've been better" after going on about how much she loves ARTPOP for ages I'd feel a bit cheated as a fan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jthorn 37 Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 Maybe Gaga likes ARTPOP? Did you think of that? Maybe she doesn't see the need to apologise for sale numbers because she isn't "sorry"/doesn't care about that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GagaDragon 10 Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 After waiting for over two years, i was surprised with ARTPOP. The album was simply not good enough no matter how you try and justify it was. Yes there were a lot of other things that may have contributed to such an underwhelming reaction to ARTPOP but let's not pretend the quality of music had nothing to do with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antidote 95 Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 For me ARTPOP is her weakest album. But if Gaga thinks it's amazing and if it's what she wanted, then she shouldn't apologize for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugarfall 3,723 Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 No, imo it would be embarrassing if Gaga would apologize for ARTPOP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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