tokyodisko 0 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 How can ARTPOP lyrics be more simple than lyrics on TF or even TFM though? I think you are ovetestimating their lyrical part. Especially TF doesn't have lyrics even half complex like BTW and ARTPOP. I really can't fine the songs you have in your mind especially when ARTPOP has songs like Aura, Venus, Sexxx Dreams, ARTPOP, MJH, Fashion!, Dope, Gypsy or even Applause that have unique and very potic lyrics. Her lyrics have become increasingly more literal. She used to have deep lyrics that were shallow on face value. Now she blatantly states the meaning more often. What makes TF/TFM less poetic or less complex? Can I get examples? I really don't see that, aside from JD and Starstruck. BTW is probably her most complex album lyrically, but I don't see how ARTPOP is at all. She's very monotonous with them. I think people often assume TF/TFM are less complex just because of the way they sounded, were structured, and were presented. Videos like Paparazzi and BR said a lot more than any of Gaga's videos from ARTPOP or BTW tbh. The commentary and themes were so layered and intriguing, that's why I think GUY has been her best video in a long time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VforVendetta 2,024 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Her lyrics have become increasingly more literal. She used to have deep lyrics that were shallow on face value. Now she blatantly states the meaning more often. What makes TF/TFM less poetic or less complex? BTW is probably her most complex album lyrically, but I don't see how ARTPOP is at all. She's very monotonous with them.If you mean that she is very repetitive with AP I agree but AP is also an EDM , music that is repetitive from its nature. A pop song needs hooks, especially an EDM one and so it needs to be reoetitive. This is why most songs on ARTPOP have their best lyrics on the verses while the choruses are made to be hooks. All songs on ARTPOP have at least some good lyrics though. I agree that BTW has Gaga's most compex and unique lymrics but BTW was too focused on the lyrics. AP is a different album. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BILLIONAIRExBOY 4 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Why do some of you give so much of a **** about Katy compared to Gaga? Why compare? Why!?!?! It's pop culture , thats what we do Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tokyodisko 0 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 If you mean that she is very repetitive with AP I agree but AP is also an EDM , music that is repetitive from its nature. A pop song needs hooks, especially an EDM one and so it needs to be reoetitive. This is why most songs on ARTPOP have their best lyrics on the verses while the choruses are made to be hooks. See, I think her verses were boring on AP. Her choruses are where she shines. I meant monotonous in the sense that she doesn't do anything flashy, sassy, or fun lyrically with most of AP. I don't mind when the music is repetitive, though. Can I get examples about how TF/TFM wasn't deep though? I really don't understand how people say that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhonyguy04 3 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 ah lawd, lets just stop with the embarrassment. we are so pressed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
izlazaz 0 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Clearly no-one here gives a sh*t what Gaga herself says about Katy Perry. Gaga said she and Katy are different artists! She didn't diss Katy the way (most) everyone here does. Why not compare Gaga to Lorde? Lorde is far more original and topical than Gaga. Gaga's lyrics are nothing new. Singing about fame, fashion, s-x (good or bad) and d--gs is not original or challenging. Artists have been singing about that stuff since forever. What makes Gaga different is her being Gaga! Her voice, her delivery, her style, her love of dress ups! It's not about artists being better or worse than other artists FFS! Plez stop with the comparing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VforVendetta 2,024 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 See, I think her verses were boring on AP. Her choruses are where she shines. I meant monotonous in the sense that she doesn't do anything flashy, sassy, or fun lyrically with most of AP. I don't mind when the music is repetitive, though. Can I get examples about how TF/TFM wasn't deep though? I really don't understand how people say that.There were many genious songs lyrically but there were also many that were a bit basic or stupid imo, especially on TF. On TFM only Telephone and Monster seem lyrically basic to me. On TF there are many songs (I find half of the songs on TF to be fillers music-wise anyway). Lyrics make only half the song anyway, don't think that I judge songs only from the lyrics. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan 0 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 1) Death at some people still saying Katy doesn't write when everyone she's worked with has said otherwise and she has songs where she's credited as the sole writer. Just because someone writes with a team that doesn't mean they don't contribute so unless you're a fly on the wall for their writing sessions just shut up already. 2) I don't know if it's G.U.Y.'s miserable performance that has so many of you upset but lately there has been such a massively annoying obsession with Katy and slagging her off on this site. She's slaying. You can't change it. Move on with your life. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tokyodisko 0 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 There were many genious songs lyrically but there were also many that were a bit basic or stupid imo, especially on TF. On TFM only Telephone and Monster seem lyrically basic to me. On TF there are many songs (I find half of the songs on TF to be fillers music-wise anyway). Lyrics make only half the song anyway, don't think that I judge songs only from the lyrics. There were a couple songs off TF that were simple or basic, but that's the same thing with ARTPOP, so I don't see how it's any different. There were also a lot of deep songs on TF, or songs with a commentary or connotation about culture, s-x, love, fame, life. Telephone was written for Britney, so... lol that explains that one, but the video was anything but basic, probably one of her deepest videos. I thought Monster was unique, but the concept was typical. It was just presented well imo. I don't solely judge on lyrics either, but it's tough to get over them sometimes. Most of the music on AP was good, but I then there were songs that could have been better musically, artistically, lyrically, and purposefully. I really was disappointed with the album version of Swine in comparison to SF, same with MANiCURE. Donatella was just a mess on so many levels. Fashion was awesome musically, but lyrically I thought it was boring. Having songs to make someone feel fun or happy isn't a bad or basic thing as long as the presentation is on point. Boys Boys Boys was a perfect bubblegum track, but then there is a song like ILIR after to even out the depth of her reach. I still think she should do half fun, half deep. So she and the fans can get the best of both worlds. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pain of fame1 229 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Yes, Katy sings for masses. GaGa makes high artistic songs. Katy is a singer. GaGa is artist. THNAKS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neptune 156 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 I tried to balance the songs I like most with what everyone else would also like most. No one should be selfish about Gaga's music in either direction, which is a huge problem in this fanbase. I love when Gaga is successful, she loves when she is successful, and the fanbase loves when she is successful. I chose mostly songs that I love. Fashion and MJH would have been swapped out for Applause and Dope if I had to change anything- but I know MJH and Fashion are not her best songs, so that's why I didn't select them. I just want her to be her best all around. BTW lyrics were a big switch, but still creative. I just think most of AP is a lot more simple- too simple tbh. MJH and Venus were probably the most creative songs on AP imo. That's an actor and not a musician. Totally different mediums to be translating across and completely different products they are selling. That argument isn't even worth responding to right now. All I'll say is that yes, sometimes it in necessary with acting. Opinions on actors can make or break a movie. Opinions on a musician are more immediate, because you have a direct message. Also if the actor doesn't connect to the audience then they aren't considered a good actor... She's also not selling a product. She's doing her thing, whether people like it or not. There were many genious songs lyrically but there were also many that were a bit basic or stupid imo, especially on TF. On TFM only Telephone and Monster seem lyrically basic to me. On TF there are many songs (I find half of the songs on TF to be fillers music-wise anyway). Lyrics make only half the song anyway, don't think that I judge songs only from the lyrics. I hate Monster, but that song is about rape... How is that basic? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tokyodisko 0 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 She's also not selling a product. She's doing her thing, whether people like it or not. I hate Monster, but that song is about rape... How is that basic? Lol If you think Gaga is not selling a product you are delusional. She is a singer, she is selling herself and her music. Stefani G is signed with Interscope- a label she loves- and they are helping her sell her brand- Lady Gaga. And I have NEVER heard her say it's about rape. You are assigning unnecessary meaning to a song about "bad boys". You should look up her talking about it. She's never mentioned rape in relation to that song. That doesn't even make sense lyrically. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustPokeHerFace 2,564 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Honestly I'm glad they are so different because they provide an absolute balance to the pop scene. One is notorious for risk taking and crazy performance art that makes a person think, and the other can make an insanely catchy song. Each one reminds us why the other is so great in her own respective way. One isn't trying to be the other, and that's what makes them both so good. Each of the A-list pop stars in music today has a reason for their success and a niche audience that the others usually don't cover. Katy has the younger audience, Gaga has the experimental and flamboyant crowd, Beyonce has R&B pop, Taylor Swift has country-pop, ect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tokyodisko 0 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Honestly I'm glad they are so different because they provide an absolute balance to the pop scene. One is notorious for risk taking and crazy performance art that makes a person think, and the other can make an insanely catchy song. Each one reminds us why the other is so great in her own respective way. One isn't trying to be the other, and that's what makes them both so good. I agree! They both bring something different to the table. If everyone had the same style music would suck. There is no competition, so I don't know why it's even discussed anymore. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willy Wonka 4 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 I think Katy and Gaga are more similar than "conventional wisdom" at GGD will admit. ooh gurl you said it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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