Unpopular Opinions: Gaga Edition

[Ladle Ghoulash 55,217]

1 hour ago, gagacabana said:

AHS was also tailor made for her, and neither it nor ASIB are her best roles, tbh, because it feels like Stefani Germanotta playing Lady Gaga playing Lady Gaga. HOG feels like Stefani playing Lady Gaga playing Patrizia, and JFAD feels like Stefani Germanotta as Lady Gaga (not a character within a character like previously done, but her artistic name nevertheless) playing Lee.

Lee is a much more nuanced character than you're giving credit for; at least, for comparison, better written than Ally/ASIB. And like, i love ASIB, but it's because I keep reading too much into the details. The actual movie fumbled the bag with Ally and reduced her to a side character on her own story, whereas Lee would've had stolen the entire film for herself if she had more scenes 

Agreed re: JFAD. I think it’s easily her best acting performance and I think they fumbled it, similar to ASIB, by sidelining Gaga. Had the film had the energy of Harlequin, I genuinely think it could’ve been a classic. I also think your point abt her feeling like Lady Gaga always feels like an additional character layer that has the potential to complicate her ability to play the role from a clean slate. 

[Ladle Ghoulash 55,217]

2 hours ago, Bronco said:

I'm torn on if she'd do well on Broadway because I feel like it's really part dependent for her. 
I feel like she's always at a 10 even if the moment calls for a 5.

Like atm on the West End/Broadway, I feel like her best possible role would be Sally in Cabaret. But a good Sally is able to swing wildly between a 1 and a 10 on the energy scale like a manic depressive, and I feel like Gaga gets a little too tunnel visioned with playing for the back of the room. 

She'd make an interesting Persephone in Hadestown, but it's a relatively small role for a Broadway/West End debut by someone like Gaga and it's not a production that's been doing much in the way of stunt casting. 

Personally, I think Gaga needs to do a comedy first. Something that will force her to moderate her character a bit more and focus on giving them peaks and valleys. 
 

This is what I'd want from a Gaga stage debut. 

 

/rantover lol

Ngl Harlequin has always given me a bit of Sally Bowles energy. I honestly think she could nail this part 

[AVeryGagaHolyDick 32,166]

Her best eras vocally were The Fame and Born This Way. Are kidding me? Everytime I see a 2008/2009 performance, I’m in absolutely awe.

The “worst” overall has to be The Fame Monster. Well, not the tour, but 95% of the promo performances etc. but that was a weird time wasn’t it? It was her absolutely peak in cultural impact but looking back it feels like she was sick almost every single day? And I’m not even talking about her endless schedule, but she also had an endless cold, didn’t she? Nearly every TV performance of Telephone or Alejandro, she sounded sick as phuck. And Good Morning America were she sang Teeth and Yoü And I, she still managed to sound really great but you could tell her throat wanted to die omg

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[PornoDanceFight 2,360]

2 hours ago, bxr said:

Also, again, less of an unpopular opinion, and more of an open question: does anyone know the narrative significance (in context of her creative identity or artistic vantage) within the serial and repetitive death / departure of leading and/or featured suitors (ex. “Paparazzi,” “Bad Romance,” “Telephone,” A Star is Born, House of Gucci, Joker Folie, then there‘s Irv in TDWP2 … and I guess, technically, there are the fiancés …)

While I don’t necessarily want to use this interpretation for her film roles per se, but I think Gaga uses death as a narrative vehicle for either literal character transformation (Paparazzi at the VMAs segueing into TFM character/aesthetic/era, death of Joanne has a literal hereditary and figurative transformation of Stefani/Gaga), or for liberation (BR/Telephone/Judas/Aura/Killah etc). That being said, I feel like her acting roles can also lend to that reading, but it’s hard to tell if she is purposely finding roles that inform a (admittedly projected) meta narrative to “Lady Gaga” as a performance art/character piece. And while I don’t think she extends that to her personal life, I do think it’s interesting how Gaga/Stefani has had male relationships that also parallel major themes in her work. I think Harlequin’s original ballad elaborates further and extrapolates on those themes: 

I feel so crazy
My head is filled with broken mirrors
So many, I can't look away
I'm in a bad way
If I could fix the broken pieces
Then I'd have a happy mistake

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[Blackout19 16,077]

Chromatica is her best album

Rain On Me & Free Woman is her best songs

Bad Romance is overrated 

So Happy I Could Die, Bad Kids, Hey Girl are very underrated 

[NUTELLA 29,287]

Just now, Blackout19 said:

Chromatica is her best album

Rain On Me & Free Woman is her best songs

Bad Romance is overrated

You will always, ALWAYS deliver in these particular threads 

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lovedrugs a **** song and can't stop the high is top 3 songs on Mayhem. a lot of other things I can say pertaining to her morals, the people she chooses to associate with, but this thread seems to be about her artistry only  so I'll leave it at that 👍

[Blackout19 16,077]

Just now, NUTELLA said:

You will always, ALWAYS deliver in these particular threads 

[bxr 2,709]

54 minutes ago, ****oDanceFight said:

I think Gaga uses death as a narrative vehicle for either literal character transformation (Paparazzi at the VMAs segueing into TFM character/aesthetic/era, death of Joanne has a literal hereditary and figurative transformation of Stefani/Gaga), or for liberation (BR/Telephone/Judas/Aura/Killah etc). […] I do think it’s interesting how Gaga/Stefani has had male relationships that also parallel major themes in her work. I think Harlequin’s original ballad elaborates further and extrapolates on those themes: 

I feel so crazy
My head is filled with broken mirrors
So many, I can't look away
I'm in a bad way
If I could fix the broken pieces
Then I'd have a happy mistake

This is a really intriguing vantage …

Reverse-chronologically, the male relationship parallel aspect is wildly astute in immediate retrospect, just going off of the optics here [Luc Carl circa TFM/BTW? … Kinney circa concerted breakthrough with smaller screen acting (Machete Kills, Sin City 2, hosting SNL, Muppets Thanksgiving, AHS) … Carino circa “talent” expansion (Vegas, Super Bowl, Five Foot Two, ASIB, heavy ad/corporate sponsorship blitz, Haus Labs) … Polanksy circa *gestures broadly at goes without saying*]

Then the sort of tandem liberation / transformation is absolutely prescient … somehow it echoes this undercurrent of that “mission” (a la “Scheiße”) … but also does somewhat illustrate a certain dismantling of patriarchal hegemony, even if only at the ostensibly interpersonal level, but as a narrative device, the personifications function more symbolically … that said, on the blink, it hearkens back to that Rilke compass guidance—almost like, beyond that admittance that you would perish should you not scribe, what is the narrative that you are bringing to life … and in context of the aforementioned, it seems to reflect Rilke‘s vision of the independent feminine:

The girl and the woman, in their new, their own unfolding, will but in passing be imitators of masculine ways, good and bad, and repeaters of masculine professions. … Women, in whom life lingers and dwells more immediately, more fruitfully and more confidently, must surely have become fundamentally riper people, more human people, than easygoing man, who is not pulled down below the surface of life by the weight of any fruit of his body, and who, presumptuous and hasty, under-values who he thinks he loves. This humanity of woman, borne its full time… will come to light when she will have stripped off the conventions of mere femininity in the mutations of her outward status, and those men who do not yet feel it approaching today will be surprised and struck by it. Some day… some day there will be girls and women whose name no longer signify merely the opposite of masculine, but something in itself, something that makes one think, not of any complement and limit, but only of life and existence: the feminine human being.

But/and, as always, neither here nor there, just musing salt grains into the airwaves … and none of this might make a modicum of sense … but/and/so, as forever and always, deeply appreciative for your luminous insights and considered perspective 

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[Ladle Ghoulash 55,217]

1 hour ago, NUTELLA said:

You will always, ALWAYS deliver in these particular threads 

Don’t sell yourself short. You basically monopolized the whole first page with incredibly unpopular takes! You’re right up there ♥️

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Mayhem album is her most overrated album.

[NUTELLA 29,287]

24 minutes ago, Ladle Ghoulash said:

Don’t sell yourself short. You basically monopolized the whole first page with incredibly unpopular takes! You’re right up there ♥️

Oh ghoul, you flatterer

Your take on JP puts any unpopular opinions in this thread (mine, Blackout's, anyone's) to shame 👑

[Ladle Ghoulash 55,217]

15 minutes ago, NUTELLA said:

Oh ghoul, you flatterer

Your take on JP puts any unpopular opinions in this thread (mine, Blackout's, anyone's) to shame 👑

Saying that when your SW + LOTR takes (read: infinitely superior films and most critics and audiences alike would agree) are right there. Whew! What I wouldn’t give for Miz MIDTELLA’s unbridled confidence! 

Edited 13 hours ago by Ladle Ghoulash

[NUTELLA 29,287]

Just now, Ladle Ghoulash said:

Saying that when your SW + LOTR takes (read: infinitely superior films and most critics and even audiences would agree) are right there. Whew! What I wouldn’t give for Miz MIDTELLA’s unbridled confidence! 

Let the record reflect:

-you bashed HP first (not even because the JK controversy, just because you wanted to sh!t on it. Fine, whatever, that's your prerogative)

-I tried to find common ground by acknowledging that John Williams music was arguably the best part of the HP franchise as well as of a franchise you loved (SW)

-You agreed

🤝

....but then you couldn't help yourself & said that SW (& LOTR, for some reason) were both better than HP

Subjective opinion, fine.

But to be clear: 

you threw a brick

then I tried to build a bridge

then you threw another brick

So everything that happened after that (most heinously your devaluation of Jurassic Park as- paraphrasing here- "overrated," "an amusement park made into a movie" & "only a masterpiece to those who saw it under the age of 10") is the result of your own brick-wielding contentiousness

But I tried ❤️‍🩹

[Ladle Ghoulash 55,217]

1 hour ago, NUTELLA said:

Let the record reflect:

-you bashed HP first (not even because the JK controversy, just because you wanted to sh!t on it. Fine, whatever, that's your prerogative)

-I tried to find common ground by acknowledging that John Williams music was arguably the best part of the HP franchise as well as of a franchise you loved (SW)

-You agreed

🤝

....but then you couldn't help yourself & said that SW (& LOTR, for some reason) were both better than HP

Subjective opinion, fine.

But to be clear: 

you threw a brick

then I tried to build a bridge

then you threw another brick

So everything that happened after that (most heinously your devaluation of Jurassic Park as- paraphrasing here- "overrated," "an amusement park made into a movie" & "only a masterpiece to those who saw it under the age of 10") is the result of your own brick-wielding contentiousness

But I tried ❤️‍🩹

We have now, again, reached the impasse in the exaggerated banter where I can’t tell if you’re legitimately offended or not. I feel like I generally register your performative critiques as exaggerated for comedic/antagonistic effect, but I feel like when I do what is essentially the same thing, it occasionally gets treated as hostility.

Like I get *disagreeing* with what I said (I don’t post incendiary takes thinking I’m not going to get a reaction) but I feel like there was an undercurrent of trying to *correct* what I said in a way that leans more towards uncharitably characterizing me as being hostile when I’m just talking sh*t the same way you do in basically every thread and then hashing out any disagreements in a colorful, but not deathly serious way lol.

I just don’t get why it’s somehow egregious for me to criticize JP but you seem bothered if I reply to you wholesale writing off LOTR and SW. Just occasionally feels like we’re operating on two different sets of rules here lol. 

Edited 12 hours ago by Ladle Ghoulash