PornoDanceFight 1,898 Posted 10 hours ago Share Posted 10 hours ago 7 hours ago, bxr said: Clean (obviously, in the key of “even if that‘s not how it was written, thus is how it could potentially read“) … and, obviously, neither here nor there, just salt grain musings into the airwaves, but the MariAlice hybrid (“You are not,” “and neither is my name,” etc.) surfaced with a fervor on the blink … Reveal hidden contents but I think it does tie into something Gaga has discussed and explored frequently: self-objectification. In what way does the exploitative system of commercial capitalism encourage us to objectify ourselves in pursuit of success and self-actualization (a narrative which I think also maps pretty cleanly on the dynamic between EtherealGa and the Mistress as innocent Maria and ***** of Babylon Maria) Also, there is something that feels necessarily subtle but significant all the same in Gaga‘s middle class nativity … the definitive american bourgeoisie … and to straddle that through capitalist stardom … not rags to riches, not born with an intergenerational silver spoon, but upper middle with precarious privilege … whatever class identity means within context … that hybrid identity within the class hierarchy feels proximal to the working class association, maybe And the Paper Magazine scene … to bridge cerebral cybernetics and mistresses of the mind … by way of those gotham niche iconographic breakers of the internet I am so happy to see that y'all have also found the connection between Maschienenmensch/Maria/Gaga and that union between these avatars (again, I hate to repeat the term, but it's apropos) is ripe for analysis, discussion, and synthesis. 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bxr 1,809 Posted 8 hours ago Share Posted 8 hours ago 1 hour ago, ****oDanceFight said: And I think this genesis point exists beyond the genesis of Lady Gaga herself, but rather, begins with Stefani Germanotta in her college essay Reckoning of Evidence. Are all of these 1:1 and equitable to each other? Not necessarily; however, I do find it fascinating that she has always had this dichotomy within her, whether as an undergrad or in various other avatars throughout her career, and that's where I think the real interesting discussion begins: the use of avatars and fragmentation of the self to create a holistic representation of the true self, or, better visually represented: Reckoning, of, Evidence … syllables, on, deck … even then, the pen game was a problem … but, somewhere between RoE and Electric Kiss … the contemporary condition of personal identity as fundamental battleground between the agency of self and ideological authority (social institutions / cultural arbiters / political hegemony, etc.), maybe … as establishing shot … with a certain emphasis on fame as preeminent locus … to your point, reads like it took root … Spoiler [Verse 1] We are a generation twisted by a myth Confused and ludicrous Holding on to love Consumed by all the pleasures in our midst A life without the lips we've kissed, and losing all control [Pre-Chorus] We're gonna start a resistance So we want independence We're gonna give the world some of this [Chorus] Electric kiss I'm gonna change the world with my lips One voice forever We'll live together in peace, love, solitude, and happiness Electric kiss [Verse 2] Fame is our felony We're so in love with it Some superstars and masochists who don't know where to go But the poets and the fighters of our time Put down their weapons in their arms [rhymes?], and know what they must do [Pre-Chorus] We're gonna start a resistance So we want independence We're gonna give the world some of this [Chorus] Electric kiss I'm gonna change the world with my lips One voice forever We'll live together in peace, love, solitude, and happiness [Instrumental Bridge] [Chorus] Electric kiss I'm gonna change the world with my lips One voice forever We'll live together in peace, love, solitude, and happiness Electric kiss 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PornoDanceFight 1,898 Posted 7 hours ago Share Posted 7 hours ago 49 minutes ago, bxr said: Reckoning, of, Evidence … syllables, on, deck … even then, the pen game was a problem … but, somewhere between RoE and Electric Kiss … the contemporary condition of personal identity as fundamental battleground between the agency of self and ideological authority (social institutions / cultural arbiters / political hegemony, etc.), maybe … as establishing shot … with a certain emphasis on fame as preeminent locus … to your point, reads like it took root … Reveal hidden contents [Verse 1] We are a generation twisted by a myth Confused and ludicrous Holding on to love Consumed by all the pleasures in our midst A life without the lips we've kissed, and losing all control [Pre-Chorus] We're gonna start a resistance So we want independence We're gonna give the world some of this [Chorus] Electric kiss I'm gonna change the world with my lips One voice forever We'll live together in peace, love, solitude, and happiness Electric kiss [Verse 2] Fame is our felony We're so in love with it Some superstars and masochists who don't know where to go But the poets and the fighters of our time Put down their weapons in their arms [rhymes?], and know what they must do [Pre-Chorus] We're gonna start a resistance So we want independence We're gonna give the world some of this [Chorus] Electric kiss I'm gonna change the world with my lips One voice forever We'll live together in peace, love, solitude, and happiness [Instrumental Bridge] [Chorus] Electric kiss I'm gonna change the world with my lips One voice forever We'll live together in peace, love, solitude, and happiness Electric kiss The way how both of these early works are so, to me, formative and indicative of how her artistry has played out, I think is not a coincidence; nevertheless, taking them as coincidence, I think speaks to how much the subconscious simultaneously constructs and deconstructs the egotistical (Freudian) self, and I think is too much of a cornerstone of her work as a whole to be entirely divorced from any and all these fragmented (yet whole) selves. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PornoDanceFight 1,898 Posted 7 hours ago Share Posted 7 hours ago I also want to add to the record of this discussion of the artistic fragmentation and tension of “Lady” “Gaga” vs “Stefani”: 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julien Lockhart 832 Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago 9 hours ago, Ladle Ghoulash said: …the Mistress of MAYHEM is literally in the Disease video lmao But she wasn't called mistress of mayhem, the idea came after She was born in the disease music video but hasn't even a name at that time That's why she wasn't in red etc etc In the disease music video it's just all of her inner demons battling for their life, and that's why this version of the lady in red is in black and is more horrific, at that time the character in the disease music wasn't meant to be this huge persona for the era He ate my heart Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dopega 3,785 Posted 3 hours ago Share Posted 3 hours ago What if I told yall PETGA and ENIGMA are The Mistress too 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zevthepaparazzo 2,195 Posted 2 hours ago Author Share Posted 2 hours ago oh mama what have I done Anything goes! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gagzus 20,760 Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago On 5/26/2026 at 2:46 AM, Ladle Ghoulash said: I mean, ofc we have no idea what she’s referring to, but the fact that the color motif of the Gaga in white and the Gaga carries through from BR into Abra as the dueling twins, I think it’s definitely possible she had that concept as part of the BR vid Both videos also have a through-line. In Bad Romance she plays someone who evolves to fight back against her captors, and she plays someone who rebels against the Mistress and presumably defies and escapes at the end because she stops dancing and faces her. Abra also feels like the prelude to The Art of Personal Chaos because she faces off against the mistress before she gets thrown into the gothic dream 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ladle Ghoulash 46,556 Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago (edited) 4 hours ago, Julien Lockhart said: But she wasn't called mistress of mayhem, the idea came after She was born in the disease music video but hasn't even a name at that time That's why she wasn't in red etc etc In the disease music video it's just all of her inner demons battling for their life, and that's why this version of the lady in red is in black and is more horrific, at that time the character in the disease music wasn't meant to be this huge persona for the era I pretty vividly remember conversations surrounding the Mistress when the video came out, but even so the concept was clearly there even if she wasn’t explicitly called that at the time. Edited 36 minutes ago by Ladle Ghoulash We have forgotten our public MANNERS Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
River 125,252 Posted 17 minutes ago Share Posted 17 minutes ago I think the colors through her career are interesting as well, there are some major colors that shows up over and over: Red and black representing evil and darkness. Yellow representing justice, but the way to the justice is either good or evil. White and blue representing good and light. Of course in some cases this theory is not really working though. So sploosh your juice all over me you Riverboy Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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