The Dead Dance: Song and Video Discussion

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9 minutes ago, Maria Brink said:

Yall are f**ked

 

the song is a bop for WEDNESDAY, which had a VIRAL dance on TikTok during season 1.. 

I really hope the music video dance is good because I just saw the dance scene in the series and **spoiler it is so cringe and awful **spoiler 

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1 minute ago, dollardays said:

Why is it so hard for some of you to say "this isn't for me" and move on? Ffs

Honestly - because I like critically engaging with my favourite artist's releases. I tend to not just dismiss Gaga's work, regardless of if I like it or not. I enjoy the process of forming an opinion on her output. 

It's fine if you don't like giving much thought to Gaga's work when you don't like it but some of us do. It would be different if our negative thoughts are mean-spirited or bullying towards Gaga or other fans of course.

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12 minutes ago, OMonster said:

Like I said, it's the words - not the singing style. I don't think it's a narrow pet peeve. It's a fundamental issue I have with the song (given it's titled after those words and that they're shoehorned into a very lacklustre bridge). This is just my opinion though. Clearly, you don't have to agree with it! I haven't shared my thoughts for people to agree; I've shared them because as a fan I enjoy processing my own thoughts on Gaga's work, whether they're positive or negative  

I didn't say the song was patronising overall btw. I said the instruction in the bridge patronises listeners, which I stand by - I do think its patronising to essentially repeat a hashtag and call it a bridge. 

I think it’s pretty narrow, given that you seem pretty intent on reducing the song to a cheap marketing ploy because of something she says 3x in a way that fits in with, not only her persona, but also with the clear homage the song is to Thriller (the villainous tone of the Vincent Prince monologue) lol. Tbh the critique almost feels like abjection with how the sausage of pop is made, disgust with the idea that pop songs should try to generate virality etc.

I get that you’re saying it feels disingenuous to you, but I’m just providing a counterpoint that I actually think it doesn’t really come across that way. I get your original point, I just honestly think it’s kind of unsubstantiated. Also I expressed the disagreement with you because it’s a public forum and having discussions is usually the nature of a public forum. Again, you’re entitled to your opinion, I’m entitled to express that I think it’s a touch reductive 

Edited Wednesday at 03:17 PM by Ladle Ghoulash

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3 minutes ago, OMonster said:

Like I said, it's the words - not the singing style. I don't think it's a narrow pet peeve. It's a fundamental issue I have with the song (given it's titled after those words and that they're shoehorned into a very lacklustre bridge). This is just my opinion though. Clearly, you don't have to agree with it! I haven't shared my thoughts for people to agree; I've shared them because as a fan I enjoy processing my own thoughts on Gaga's work, whether they're positive or negative  

I didn't say the song was patronising overall btw. I said the instruction in the bridge patronises listeners, which I stand by - I do think its patronising to essentially repeat a hashtag and call it a bridge. 

I wouldn't even call it a bridge tbh. Feels like an extra chorus just so it doesn’t end the way LoveDrug does imo.

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1 minute ago, Ladle Ghoulash said:

I disagreed with you because it’s a publicly forum and having discussions is usually the nature of a public forum. 

I literally just said:

"This is just my opinion though. Clearly, you don't have to agree with it! I haven't shared my thoughts for people to agree; I've shared them because as a fan I enjoy processing my own thoughts on Gaga's work"

I have ZERO gripe with you disagreeing with my opinion. I definitely wasn't challenging your right to discuss my opinion at all. I'm happy to be challenged and to have my views changed (or not). 

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3 hours ago, OMonster said:

You're reacting as though I've posted some hateful opinion of the song. I've just tried to expand on the view that I think a lot of others are also expressing (that the song is forced and inauthentic). 

Im sorry, but how is this song inauthentic? Like how can we as the public make such a remark about an artists intention? or be so adamant of what she was going for when she wrote if if we weren't there? I feel like you can call any song a number of things, but to question an artists truth on their art is just much more abstract and I think its more of a strapped on insult aimed at a song that maybe you just did not like.

This song wasn't even written for Wednesday at first. It started as part of Mayhem, and only until they asked for a song, Gaga chose this one. It wasn't a song made for tik tok and a teenage show, its a song that existed and fit with the show so it was tweaked and used accordingly. And given how Gaga spoke about taking time to live her life in order to have experiences that help her write music, I don't thing TDD is inauthentic in the sense that it was fabricated with all these things like "tik tok virality" a "catchy hook for the GP" and "instructional dance line" like if it was fulfilling a checklist Netflix and Tim Burton personally handed to Gaga, but rather just another song about dancing instead of dying, the larger motif that encompasses Mayhem. 

All the things you criticized are staple gaga nuances that have been done countless times in her career. You can go ahead an call TDD safe, or generic or uninspired, and you would be right...because it is those things, but inauthentic, under the context of how it was written and Gaga's explanation, doesn't seem like it. Just my two cents

Edited Wednesday at 03:13 PM by andy232000

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16 minutes ago, Maria Brink said:

get over yourselves, you all love to moan about everything. It is a cute simple Halloween bop. 

It's not even that simple. There's so many layers production wise. The bassline is INSANE. Get y'all a good pair of headphones and dig through the layers. It's a musician's song.

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23 minutes ago, Charmz said:

Love the details in the makeup with the veins! 

The are no veíns i think they are cracks like a broken doll

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2 minutes ago, OMonster said:

I literally just said:

"This is just my opinion though. Clearly, you don't have to agree with it! I haven't shared my thoughts for people to agree; I've shared them because as a fan I enjoy processing my own thoughts on Gaga's work"

I have ZERO gripe with you disagreeing with my opinion. I definitely wasn't challenging your right to discuss my opinion at all. I'm happy to be challenged and to have my views changed (or not). 

And you’re entitled to disagree with me, I just kind of read that comment you quoted as a bit of a cop out (and the reason why I “agreed to disagree” was because I felt like you weren’t really interested in engaging with what I wrote). But again, clearly we’re not going to change each others minds here, so let’s just move on haha 

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Hmmm...so here are my thoughts after listening to The Dead Dance.

I really like the haunting dark vibes in the intro and verses. Gaga's voice really hypnotizes you and pulls you in. The 80s horror synths begin to crescendo. 

Then... the chorus kicks in transitions into this 70s disco/funk sound ala Zombie Boy and I was not surprised since I've heard the leak weeks ago as we all did. However, hearing it fully it kinda takes away from the creepy tone that was built up from the beautifully dark verses. 

The post chorus is stronger than the chorus and catchier. 

The outro sounds the same as Zombie Boy's so that was also a very strange choice in my opinion 

Overall, I give the song a 6/10 

Perhaps the video will elevate this score to a 7 or 8 but no higher I believe. 

The song is truly representative of the album MAYHEM tho theme wise...you want Gaga to stay steady in one genre but she intentionally subverts the listeners expectations and does the opposite. For some, this keeps the listening experience interesting and others like myself longing for more consistency in her style choice. 

I dont hear much else besides Zombie Boy 2.0 (which I don't quite care for) as far as inspiration goes...not Venus, not Bloody Mary, etc...

Edited Wednesday at 03:48 PM by Lord Mayhem

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25 minutes ago, Ladle Ghoulash said:

The most contrived song when Sour Candy is right there? And also I feel like the accusation that the inclusion of the “do the dead dance” in the bridge functions *exclusively* for TikTok, as if Gaga has never adopted the role of a quasi-villainess or used those types of spoken interludes in her songs before, is kind of disingenuous. IMO there’s nothing particularly out of character or inauthentic about the song itself. I can’t say I’m obsessed with it, but to act like it’s insulting, patronizing, or hollow marketing in and of itself feels a bridge too far. 

I whole heartedly agree with you and this take. I dont vibe with the song as much. Its just ok for me, cute even. But it is a perfect Gaga song that is also radio friendly. It has tons and TONS of elements that make Gaga what she is today, and quite literally the BIGGEST one, “do the dead dance”. Saying that part was shoehorned in to create a dance instruction is basically ignoring Gaga's 20 year-long nuanced songwriting. About 20 songs for her discography would like a word with that user. People need to find more deep and meaningful ways of criticizing a song instead of just saying its "not her" 

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