Official Charts Thread

[lastpopicon 13,297]

1 minute ago, Lovelife said:

So happy seeing it rising on charts🤩 What can I say, the music speaks for itself

It has been climbing all day on AM US, this is great after SNL we can expect even better numbers 

[CookieHWilson 675]

Please help out with the question and I have not seen it posted.

PoBase on x estimated Mayhem to debut at no. 1 on the B200 with 200.000-250.000 units

if the SEA are counted does it mean without the inclusion of DWAS the album debut would have been around 50.000 unit?!?!?!

[CookieHWilson 675]

3 hours ago, andy232000 said:

HDD is predicting a #1 debut with 200-225k first week. 💀

honestly, I expected quite more. At least 250-280k, 300k if I was optimistic 

are these units largely there cause of the inclusion of DWAS? I don't understand how units are counted and would like to understand how the album would debut without DWAS

[CookieHWilson 675]

2 hours ago, LilyLark said:

Kind of disagree. Eternal Sunshine did 227k, and Ariana had a #1 solo single and another #1 solo single the week after the album came out. She also sold variants like Gaga, so it's a decent comparison in regards to a release strategy.

I think people just had their expectations way, way too high. Gaga has never had Taylor's numbers or Adele's numbers, or even Beyonce's (with the exception of BTW). Selling around the same as Ariana makes sense, especially as they don't count tour bundles anymore (which were a factor in Chromatica's sales).

For someone 16 years in the game, this is still really good for her to be pulling a #1 debut over 200k. It's far better than 95% of her contemporaries (with the exception of Taylor and Bey).

The fact of the matter is the younger girls-Sabrina, Billie, Olivia-just have more reach right now, and Gaga has always been weak with streaming...which hurts her in an era that is dominated by streaming numbers. There's also simply the fact that Gaga and her label (her label is absolutely a part of it) don't push as hard as Sabrina's team...and that's probably Gaga's choice.

what I don't get though thats why I am asking for the third time is someone can tell me how much DWAS inclusion has impacted the numbers of units (supposed 200.000/225.000 units? How many units she would have made with Abra Disease and Mayhem alone?

[medicub 84]

4 hours ago, andy232000 said:

Top 20 on lock, challenging for Top 15, will need considerable boost for a Top 10 without physicals 

Awww balls I guess that’s it then

[medicub 84]

42 minutes ago, lastpopicon said:

Apple Music US

#5(=) Die With A Smile
#19(+3) Abracadabra
#45(+4) Vanish Into You
#54(+2) Garden Of Eden
#79(+2) Perfect Celebrity
#105(+6) How Bad Do U Want Me
#114(-1) Zombieboy
#125(+2) Disease
#131(=) Killah
#137(+2) LoveDrug
#166(+8) Shadow Of A Man
#187(+9) Don't Call Tonight

Yay!!!

[clownery 5,472]

53 minutes ago, lastpopicon said:

Apple Music US

#5(=) Die With A Smile
#19(+3) Abracadabra
#45(+4) Vanish Into You
#54(+2) Garden Of Eden
#79(+2) Perfect Celebrity
#105(+6) How Bad Do U Want Me
#114(-1) Zombieboy
#125(+2) Disease
#131(=) Killah
#137(+2) LoveDrug
#166(+8) Shadow Of A Man
#187(+9) Don't Call Tonight

Garden of Chudai rising 

[Economy 48,760]

15 hours ago, Louvre said:

Some people are going to have to use their elusive critical thinking skills before trashing US fans. Pop music is not the first nor second most popular genre in the US (country and rap are). And in the pop genre, lady gaga is not necessarily the most easy-listening nor most appreciated artist here. The US is huge and pretty incomparable to most other western countries in terms of the music industry. US gaga fans get drowned out by all the other popular artists here. 

Lighten up and stream the new album. Its a great body of work. Anything over 200k is excellent.

This. Some ppl who think its up to fans alone to carry the album forget how critical some support from GP and casual fans is

 

Disease is a perfect example. Absolutely adored by fan base and if fans alone could create a hit, it would be one. But without the GP biting, Gagas fan base isnt quite large enough to make a song on its own chart high

Edited March 9 by Economy
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[andy232000 10,727]

30 minutes ago, CookieHWilson said:

are these units largely there cause of the inclusion of DWAS? I don't understand how units are counted and would like to understand how the album would debut without DWAS

DWAS is not helping the album because its a previous single. Only the streams DWAS gets from this friday 7 to tuesday 13 count for this debut. It will account for about 20% of the streams. Si without DWAS, Mayhem would have debuted maybe around 160-185k. But thats a very rough and not air tight math so don’t quote me lol. 

[andy232000 10,727]

2 hours ago, LilyLark said:

Kind of disagree. Eternal Sunshine did 227k, and Ariana had a #1 solo single and another #1 solo single the week after the album came out. She also sold variants like Gaga, so it's a decent comparison in regards to a release strategy.

I think people just had their expectations way, way too high. Gaga has never had Taylor's numbers or Adele's numbers, or even Beyonce's (with the exception of BTW). Selling around the same as Ariana makes sense, especially as they don't count tour bundles anymore (which were a factor in Chromatica's sales).

For someone 16 years in the game, this is still really good for her to be pulling a #1 debut over 200k. It's far better than 95% of her contemporaries (with the exception of Taylor and Bey).

The fact of the matter is the younger girls-Sabrina, Billie, Olivia-just have more reach right now, and Gaga has always been weak with streaming...which hurts her in an era that is dominated by streaming numbers. There's also simply the fact that Gaga and her label (her label is absolutely a part of it) don't push as hard as Sabrina's team...and that's probably Gaga's choice.

I didn’t know that Eternal Sunshine did 227k. That’s quite low for Ariana as a streaming force 💀.

Ok, maybe Gaga is on par with some contemporaries, but this is still almost 20% less than Chromatica and this album had MUCH more promo and hype. I would’ve expected to at least match its numbers

[HeavyCapiLover 3,331]

Also just saw on twitter for comparaison : 

Mayhem : 3.2M average per track

Comboy Carter : 2.8M average 

(Still lets not forget that dwas is helping inflate those numbers BUT even without it it would do something quite similar to Cowboy)

Edited March 9 by HeavyCapiLover

[LilyLark 10,059]

1 hour ago, andy232000 said:

I didn’t know that Eternal Sunshine did 227k. That’s quite low for Ariana as a streaming force 💀.

Ok, maybe Gaga is on par with some contemporaries, but this is still almost 20% less than Chromatica and this album had MUCH more promo and hype. I would’ve expected to at least match its numbers

They got rid of bundles, and Chromatica heavily benefited from them. Ariana Grande was likely hurt by the new streaming rules, too (some streamers now count more than others, if I remember correctly, and there are weird rules like x amount of songs have to be played before y artist). Basically, you can't just listen to an album twice in a row and have it count both times anymore.

Most artists are dropping in numbers. I believe it's a combination of pop not being as popular in the US anymore-with a few exceptions-as country music and r & b/hip hop dominate, streaming, and how the labels push artists nowadays (radio, PR, etc.). 

Sabrina was pushed so, so heavily and had multiple #1 songs and debuted with approximately 350k. Five years ago, she would have easily debuted with 500k.  And she's basically the rare exception in regards to pop (see Ariana, etc. in the 200s).

Olivia has two of the most streamed albums of all time-I believe her first album is more than Taylor's-and yet Guts opened with 300k (only 30k more than Chromatica).

Those younger girls just have far, far more reach (as I noted). That's the cycle of life, the younger fans get drawn to younger artists most of the time. And they also have a much broader fan base and more GP friendly music.

You also have odd examples like the Weeknd, whose album before last only debuted with around 150k, but whose newest album debuted with 400k. His music is much, much more popular in the US. And yet none of his singles cracked the top 40, despite his album doing great numbers.

[LilyLark 10,059]

2 hours ago, CookieHWilson said:

what I don't get though thats why I am asking for the third time is someone can tell me how much DWAS inclusion has impacted the numbers of units (supposed 200.000/225.000 units? How many units she would have made with Abra Disease and Mayhem alone?

I'm not positive, but I believe DWAS doesn't get counted towards the first week of sales.

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This thread today...

 

[Phantomhive 2,016]

24 minutes ago, HeavyCapiLover said:

Also just saw on twitter for comparaison : 

Mayhem : 3.2M average per track

Comboy Carter : 2.8M average 

(Still lets not forget that dwas is helping inflate those numbers BUT even without it it would do something quite similar to Cowboy)

Saw that too so technically Mayhem's performance is pretty on par with CC worldwide. Another stat that I saw though was that in the US, CC did 40m which accounts for more than half of its debut streams while Mayhem did 14m which only accounts for a little more than a quarter of its debut streams.

Guess it makes sense why she debuted with 400k on BB200 for CC. Bey always seemed more of a local act than a global act unlike Ga.