GaGa: Art y capitalism can be friends

[TimotheeChalamet 5,785]

Guys sorry but you don't understand anything she says 

[Ziggy 11,877]

LG7 going to be ARTPOP’s boomer mother at this point 

[bionic 50,107]

1 hour ago, SevenAteNine said:

makeup is art

movies are art

video games are art

shes in the art industry, art is a very wide thing.. 

they can be and are art but any capitalist profit-seeking venture will limit the scope of artistry because of the need to appeal to consumer demand

[Ziggy 11,877]

The sentiment is actually less of the issue for me bc she’s a commercial pop star. Like duh. It’s more that sensationally rich people saying things like capitalism is always going to sound INCREDIBLY cringe to me bc they sound less like artists and more like Mark Cuban gone to seed.

I think part of the issue with her statement for people is that she’s *so rich now that it isn’t like she needs to be doing things like hocking this and that product. She’s not a struggle. She’s a once in a generation icon of music. She could tone down the capitalism and be *more art-forward yet…chooses this lmao she’ll say how miserable she is making art but then when it’s time to sell makeup or something it’s all starry-eyed **** lololol she’s always been like this, for sure. Shes a pop star and her ambition was fame. So duh. BUT I think it winds up being a question of like ok girl at what point is enough enough and is your diminishing output (both in quality and quantity) compensating for that? And also maybe just don’t say it so mask-off bc it comes off as out of touch 

[Dancing Shadow 1,171]

25 minutes ago, bionic said:

they can be and are art but any capitalist profit-seeking venture will limit the scope of artistry because of the need to appeal to consumer demand

but shes saying u can find a balance

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1 hour ago, SevenAteNine said:

makeup is art

movies are art

video games are art

shes in the art industry, art is a very wide thing.. 

Nope.  The makeup look is the art but the actual makeup product is just a tool. Are you an artist if you just sell paint?

On the other hand there are brands who treat the makeup itself as art through strong visual concepts and packaging.

I agree movies are art and video games as well, I’m currently enjoying Fortnite. How ARTPOP is it to see Gaga, her music and also specific designer’s outfits in the game.

My point was ARTPOP was ART (music, fashion, etc) and POP was putting the ART onto popular things like fortnite, oreos, etc. (a reverse of warhol who put POP onto the canvas and sold as ART)

Fans understand celebs need to make money but literally the basics of marketing is you should never alienate your audience. 

 

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Sigh …

[gumzy3000 7,357]

Lol at the people here who hate capitalism and think Gaga isn't one. She is worth hundreds of millions of dollars with literally one of the biggest makeup lines in the world. Of course she is a capitalist 

[Obobo 3,182]

5 hours ago, Omar Vela said:

It's funny  how so many people here get pressed about this kind of statement. That only shows how biased you are about trending ways of thinking to be the SJW internet wants you to be...

Never in the history of humanity have so many people devoted themselves to making a living from art. Capitalism is the system that allows you to survive through the exhibition and sale of your art, both in physical and digital mediums. Did you think art could sustain itself on smiles and good wishes?

And not just art: the smartphone in your hands, the internet, this cult site... None of this would exist or be accessible if it weren't for capitalism. Sorry if that collapses your "special" way of seeing the world.

I don’t mind capitalism. The issue in this thread is y’all are so polarized thinking it’s SJWs being anti-capitalism when it isn’t.

The issue is that she’s not selling the art her fans want to see anymore. Also the fans that consider paint and drugs as art are delulu. 

Do you see the swifties or bey hive begging like rats to get what they really want. no, because they’re in the theatres watching concerts or busy streaming surprise music drops.

They are getting enough art, that it overshadows the capitalism…

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3 hours ago, Arcanum said:

This.

However, what baffles me is how can one so blatantly claim to be a capitalist (we knew that in recent years she shifted her interests from art to business. It's ok.) but at the same time to have been anti-war, humanitarian etc. I mean... She has met with Dalai Lama in the past.

Isn't it like oxymoron?

She never claimed to be a capitalist or be akin to it as a system to organize economy at all, i don't know how anyone can draw these non-sequitur conclusions with such a concrete statement, she means that art and capitalism can co-exist IF done the right way, not that it is the ideal best way in her worldview, maybe i woudn't use the word "friends" as it come across as a positive, but it is in a context where she's already acknowledging that a disparity and a irreconcilability exist but can be passed through.

That's just how things are structured in society, do you think that true art can't exist in pop culture? in a capitalistic system? do you think that for her to make true art she has to go back to the confines and margins of society she was before fame in the lower east side of NY? that art only exist in independent and alternative communities and in the underground? that's what you imply if you disagree with this statement of hers, which is funny cause most of the people here in this site and some of which are the most outraged with this statement consume almost exclusively very commercially available pop music and pop is their favorite genre...

Besides, she's also said in her most recent interviews during the HOG press tour how capitalism "destroys women all the time" and how she's always been in it to "dismantle" systems of oppression from the inside, including capitalism. To me she has always had pretty revolutionary, leftist and anti-neo-liberal sentiments and messages in her art and the things she says in her interviews, and she works to diminish the harming aspects of it from the inside (which is the only way) of course i've never seen her defining herself as skin to socialism explicitly either, but i dont see anything but consistency in her speech from the beginning of her career.

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she changed so much in the last 10 years.
 

[Dancing Shadow 1,171]

26 minutes ago, Obobo said:

Nope.  The makeup look is the art but the actual makeup product is just a tool. Are you an artist if you just sell paint?

 

 

much more goes into making makeup than just "selling paint" creating the pallet, designing the box, coming up with a concept and naming the colors accordingly, thats creating and creating is art. 

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people really do change huh…

[bionic 50,107]

37 minutes ago, SevenAteNine said:

but shes saying u can find a balance

yes but IMO that balance is a low common denominator

[MadArchitect 1,041]

33 minutes ago, Obobo said:

Nope.  The makeup look is the art but the actual makeup product is just a tool. Are you an artist if you just sell paint?

making the tools to create art is part of the artistry and the art itself, there's no art without it, so many make up artists dedicate their life to this, if you think that's not artistry that would be insulting to them.

And on the other hand she has never claimed or pretended that the nurtec or her other sponsorship and brand partnerships are art in itself lol