GaGa: Art y capitalism can be friends

[Dancing Shadow 1,171]

7 hours ago, lasagna said:

music and the bling i guess 

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 said she'd never live in california, hated hollywood, hated selling perfume, music not the bling etc like damnnn if you'd told me in 2014 this is what gagas attitude would be i really wouldn't have believed you. i can't help but be a little bit heartbroken by it

 

but those things arent bad things, and people grow and change their views over time. I think gaga had a very harsh view of hollywood back then, hollywood isnt *bad* just the people in it

[Skabi 3,095]

6 hours ago, RAMROD said:

Few of some dozens times receipts when she said she doesn't care about money and now you said she doesn't change. 

Y'all must be stanning a different woman 

 

 

can we compare a person in their 20s and their 40s and expect them to be the same? i mean back in the day she was sort of a rebel. today she owns a house but back in 2013 she said she's a "gypsy" with no house, do we hate her for this? in 2011 she said she wouldn't love her child if they were straight for crying out loud

would she be on a world tour if she actually hated money? i know she almost went bankrupt during the monster ball but... would this risk be taken if she and her team weren't CERTAIN that the profit would be worth the expenses?

look, i'm not the type of person to kiss her feet and worship her farts or whatever, but what she's saying here is not wrong. art and capitalism do co-exist, that's the way it has been; artists generate art, people consume it. i don't think people should focus so much on the money part, but on the mass production, mass consumption part of capitalism.

to sum up do i think haus labs is in any form "art"? no, not at all, i couldn't care less about it
but i do know one thing, gaga is one messy b*tch and whether we like it or not, she sure knows how to stir up the pot and cause some drama, love this thread lmao

[Omar Vela 2,513]

It's funny  how so many people here get pressed about this kind of statement. That only shows how biased you are about trending ways of thinking to be the SJW internet wants you to be...

Never in the history of humanity have so many people devoted themselves to making a living from art. Capitalism is the system that allows you to survive through the exhibition and sale of your art, both in physical and digital mediums. Did you think art could sustain itself on smiles and good wishes?

And not just art: the smartphone in your hands, the internet, this cult site... None of this would exist or be accessible if it weren't for capitalism. Sorry if that collapses your "special" way of seeing the world.

Edited February 29 by Omar Vela

[Celloo Deng 53,591]

You ggdalians make a hooha out of everything and anything  

[LastNight 5,684]

I think it’s a little funny the outrage of some people about this comment, as if one of the central messages of her career hasn’t been about the fusion of art and commerce.

Yes she’s been critical of celebrity culture and explored themes of fame and excess in her work, but she has also utilised brand partnerships and business deals from the VERY beginning of her career, usually to finance her art. She also made an entire album 10 years ago centred around the union between the two. This is not a new message from her, at all.

I mention it all the time, but I highly recommend a rewatch of her 2014 (!) SXSW keynote conversation where she talks about how important it is that brands sponsor artists and about how business makes these shows, performances and albums possible.

I get that capitalism is an icky word, but in her comment she even specified that it’s about “how it happens”. I don’t think she’s talking about the unfettered capitalism that dominates our world today, and perhaps “commerce” would have been a better word choice, but ultimately she has always been about the collaboration between artistic expression and commerciality. On a very literal level it’s what she does as a musician and actor who… sells music, concert tickets and movies. 

Edited February 29 by LastNight

[Conservative Mom 655]

wow the mentality of youth today really plagued by the woke

[chathonnete 420]

I agree with her. As long as you sell something, you are in capitalism. Gaga sells us things since the beginning of her career (albums, concerts tickets, merch etc.), and is still one of the best artists of all time. HOWEVER, in my opinion her make up brand isn't truly art, it's capitalism... Make up is art, but bringing a new make up brand in the past few years was just a capitalism move.. The only make up brand that brought something new to the table were Fenty Beauty (and other old inclusive brands). Just my opinion 

[King of the Fall 3,792]

41 minutes ago, Omar Vela said:

It's funny  how so many people here get pressed about this kind of statement. That only shows how biased you are about trending ways of thinking to be the SJW internet wants you to be...

Never in the history of humanity have so many people devoted themselves to making a living from art. Capitalism is the system that allows you to survive through the exhibition and sale of your art, both in physical and digital mediums. Did you think art could sustain itself on smiles and good wishes?

And not just art: the smartphone in your hands, the internet, this cult site... None of this would exist or be accessible if it weren't for capitalism. Sorry if that collapses your "special" way of seeing the world.

Grifting pain medication and makeup is not art, that is what some of you people seem to be missing. Nobody is saying it is a crime for her to engage in capitalism, we are saying that she goes about it in a very obnoxious and over the top way now.

Plenty of other artists engage in capitalism to promote their art, Gaga engages in capitalism for the sake of capitalism despite her rather pathetic attempts to talk up Haus Labs as somehow artistic.

Edited February 29 by North Country Guy

[Starmie25 13,617]

11 minutes ago, North Country Guy said:

makeup is not art

It is to some people though 

[King of the Fall 3,792]

4 minutes ago, Starmie25 said:

It is to some people though 

 Some opinions are only worth ignoring. Nobody thinks selling makeup is art, that is if you have two brain cells to rub together.

We are talking about music here, and selling pain medication and makeup has nothing to do with Gaga's musical artistry.

Edited February 29 by North Country Guy

[Starmie25 13,617]

10 minutes ago, North Country Guy said:

We are talking about music here, and selling pain medication and makeup has nothing to do with Gaga's musical artistry.

She's allowed to have other avenues outside of music ngl. I don't follow HL either, but she's clearly enjoying that side of things amd that's ok.

 

[King of the Fall 3,792]

9 minutes ago, Starmie25 said:

She's allowed to have other avenues outside of music ngl. I don't follow HL either, but she's clearly enjoying that side of things amd that's ok.

 

Yeah she has every right to enjoy whatever she wants and I have every right to be royally pissed off about the fact she has turned into a corporation.

Hilarious how some people can't tell the difference between criticism and being a hater, her annoying advertising grifts do not mean she is a bad person or not a great artist, it is just something that bugs me. Just like her pretentious interviews and oversinging lately bug me.

Edited February 29 by North Country Guy

[Oriane 19,827]

It's almost like she made songs at the beginning of her career about how cool it would be to be rich and buy nice things.

[LastNight 5,684]

‘Lady Gaga’ has always been a brand and a business, as well as an artist. Out of the many products she could’ve launched, make-up feels the most natural for her. Founding a business is a highly creative endeavour. She has done dozens of brand endorsements and partnerships since the beginning of her career. Her early music videos are full of product placement. None of this is new.

[Freud 5,454]

The sentence is a bit taken out of context to stir the pot tbh.

Gaga's artistry and talent was rooted in arts sake, rather than money. The world appreciated this and she became one of the most influential but also commercially sucessfull artists. Seeing her in her first concerts I always thought, even though she is so famous, it's crazy how underestimated she is, how cheap her tickets are. Now she knows her worth and value and that's okay. Latest after "A Star is Born" and the Superbowl she is already a Legend.

I'm lucky for her if she puts a price on her Art that is correct, I just wish she would not tease the Chromatica Ball Film and we're just getting an commercial out of the Tour. Or 9 out of 10 Insta Posts /Stories are about HausLabs, when what she is known and loved for by fans was something completely differnt that didn't seem to be this shallow/hollywood-ish but emotional and personal songs, changing lifes.

I guess she herself has to figure out the thin line of Art to capitalise or Capitalism under the cover of Art.