Russia adressed tensions with Armenia at the CSTO council

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YEREVAN, Armenia — A small group of demonstrators lined the road from the airport on Wednesday afternoon to celebrate Russian President Vladimir Putin’s arrival in Armenia. “Welcome,” a banner hung over the barriers read, “we will be together forever.”

Across Yerevan, in the capital’s central square, the message was very different. “We want to get out from Russia’s shadow,” 47-year-old office worker Lilit shouted, her voice almost drowned out by an activist with a megaphone. “The CSTO is Russia’s way of preserving its sphere of influence in the former Soviet Union,” said Natasha Kuhrt, senior lecturer in international peace and security at King’s College London. “But in reality, it’s a paper tiger — it’s just not fit for purpose. It’s shown in the past it’s not prepared to intervene when its members call for support, and Putin’s fellow leaders are deeply concerned by the poor performance of his armed forces in Ukraine.”

 

Responding to critical remarks by Armenian Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan, who said the CSTO's image had been tarnished for its failure to aid Yerevan in its 2020 war against Baku, Putin said that while the bloc had its problems, cooperation brings "visible practical benefits, helps to ensure the protection of national interests, sovereignty, and independence" of the member-countries.

 

 

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Russia really want to fight everybody this era

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47 minutes ago, RAMROD said:

Russia really want to fight everybody this era

As per usual, Russia is friends with anybody that accept to submit to their rules and remain cordial with them as long as they gain something from the relationship. In this case Armenia allied with Russia for protection against Azerbaijan and Turkey, hoping that Russia will defend them if any of these countries attack Armenia. Well, they did and Russia did nothing. For this reason, Armenia feels betrayed, but it's not like they have any other potential allies except for Russia and Iran.

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6 minutes ago, FfFfFfFF said:

As per usual, Russia is friends with anybody that accept to submit to their rules and remain cordial with them as long as they gain something from the relationship. In this case Armenia allied with Russia for protection against Azerbaijan and Turkey, hoping that Russia will defend them if any of these countries attack Armenia. Well, they did and Russia did nothing. For this reason, Armenia feels betrayed, but it's not like they have any other potential allies except for Russia and Iran.

The Kremlin has already got everything it wanted from Armenia, I'm afraid, or at least everything it wasn't able to get from Ukraine in 2014. Armenia already belongs with Eurasian Customs Union which is in truth simply the  Russian Customs Zone. Obviously Kremlin isn't going to do much to fulfill its defensive obligations now that he feels Armenia is already in its pocket; they mostly justify the lack of 2020 actions by the fact that the attacked territory was that Artsakh, which is de-facto under Armenian control but is not recognized as Armenian territory by any UN state, even Russia herself. But you're right about people feeling betrayed; had the chance to visit the country twice after the 2020 war and talk to people. 

 

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31 minutes ago, NightStar said:

The Kremlin has already got everything it wanted from Armenia, I'm afraid, or at least everything it wasn't able to get from Ukraine in 2014. Armenia already belongs with Eurasian Customs Union which is in truth simply the  Russian Customs Zone. Obviously Kremlin isn't going to do much to fulfill its defensive obligations now that he feels Armenia is already in its pocket; they mostly justify the lack of 2020 actions by the fact that the attacked territory was that Artsakh, which is de-facto under Armenian control but is not recognized as Armenian territory by any UN state, even Russia herself. But you're right about people feeling betrayed; had the chance to visit the country twice after the 2020 war and talk to people. 

 

The thing is Azerbaijan also attacked and occupied parts of Armenia proper (not only Artsak). Azerbaijan wants a land corridor linking Baku to its exclave and Turkey, probably meant to run through southern Armenia.

I also heard to hypotesis that Armenia's only chance to survive would be to merge with Russia and become legally a Russian exclave (it already has a lot of Russians citizens which fled the war). 

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The end of the Armenia-Russian alliance.  

 

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On 11/24/2022 at 2:12 PM, FfFfFfFF said:

 

I also heard to hypotesis that Armenia's only chance to survive would be to merge with Russia and become legally a Russian exclave (it already has a lot of Russians citizens which fled the war). 

ain't gonna happen ever. Armenia is a lot older than Russia and her sense of national identity is far above any possible story that Kremlin can make up to justify such a merge. 

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24 minutes ago, NightStar said:

ain't gonna happen ever. Armenia is a lot older than Russia and her sense of national identity is far above any possible story that Kremlin can make up to justify such a merge. 

After the outcome of the council when Armenia refused to sign the draft, this is clearly likely. Is just the fact that Armenia has no good option in the context of Azerbaijan and Turkey rising up against them without any resistance from Russia or the EU. Iran - the only other viable ally - is also in deep trouble and Armenia can't rely on it. The theory is based on the fact that the only way Armenia can secure the borders it has is by becoming an ethnic republic of Russia.

But again this seems clearly unlikely: