FfFfFfFF 58,060 Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 Blue and green - regions where fewer soldiers died. Dark brown, red, organge - regions where more soldiers died Lowest per capita losses: Khanty-Mansi AO - 1.12 Yamalo-Nenets AO - 1.09 Moscow Oblast - 0.98 Saint Petersburg - 0.91 Moscow - 0.13 Highest per capita losses: Tuva Republic - 29.16 Buryatia Republic - 26.05 North-Ossetia - 16.71 Altai Republic - 14.89 Zabaykalsky Krai - 13.8 This goes to shows how Russia disproportionately uses its population. The share of Siberian and other minorities is higher in the military forces of Russia than in Russia's general population (this may also be partly why there isn't extraordinary civil unrest in Moscow and Sankt Petersburg - only 0,3% of the total of dead soldiers lived in Moscow city). Buryats, Tuvans and Ossetians are some the ethnicities most involved in fighting the Ukrainians. Source: BBC/Mediazona data. Older version of the map: https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/war/russo-ukraine-2022-06.htm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CannaeDrive 3,412 Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 All this murderous mess because of Pudding. "Fame Is A Boomerang" - Maria Callas Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis 8,391 Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 2 hours ago, CannaeDrive said: All this murderous mess because of Pudding. Putin can go tomorrow and the war will continue, or become worse under an ultra-nationalist. This is a russian problem, not a Putin problem. And I see no hope of the societal attitude changing in the near future. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
androiduser 7,438 Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 poor dead homophobes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
berlinforme 5,385 Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 Surprise, most (dead) soldiers come from poorer regions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poker 3,770 Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 Also, that way the deaths are kept silent. Nobody in the most popular areas will know a fallen soldier, only those in poorer areas and they usually don’t have a voice. They can continue their ****ed up war with nobody blinking and eye or seeing their loses. Kindness rules all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FfFfFfFF 58,060 Posted September 18, 2022 Author Share Posted September 18, 2022 14 hours ago, Poker said: Also, that way the deaths are kept silent. Nobody in the most popular areas will know a fallen soldier, only those in poorer areas and they usually don’t have a voice. They can continue their ****ed up war with nobody blinking and eye or seeing their loses. When an ethnic Russian dies it makes the news because people will treat him as a national hero and it can be used as a propaganda tool. Ethnic Tuvans, Buryats, Ossetians on the other hand are poorer and see the military as a source of good money, but they can't manipulate their deaths nationalistically. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magui 2,654 Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 2 hours ago, FfFfFfFF said: When an ethnic Russian dies it makes the news because people will treat him as a national hero and it can be used as a propaganda tool. Ethnic Tuvans, Buryats, Ossetians on the other hand are poorer and see the military as a source of good money, but they can't manipulate their deaths nationalistically. This just showed me how i just don't know a thing about Russia reality. While did know that living in Moscow or S. Petersburg was radically different from the rest of the country, i fail to know a thing about the different ethnicities, how people live in other regions, their life conditions, and how are they treated by the government. But from this bit of information you can really tell that it's very different indeed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FfFfFfFF 58,060 Posted September 18, 2022 Author Share Posted September 18, 2022 3 minutes ago, Magui said: This just showed me how i just don't know a thing about Russia reality. While did know that living in Moscow or S. Petersburg was radically different from the rest of the country, i fail to know a thing about the different ethnicities, how people live in other regions, their live conditions, and how are they treated by the government. But from this bit of information you can really tell that it's very different indeed. Buryats and Tuvans are actually pretty close to the Mongolians and have traditionally a Mongolic warlike culture. Russia is enormous and full of very unique and diverse ethnicities. Yakuts for instance live in the coldest climate and their country subdivion is bigger than all Europeans countries while their language most closely resembles Kazakh and Turkish. The north Caucasus is also full of a plethora of different groups, even including a Buddhist minority who migrated to the Volga region from Mongolia. Also in the north Caucasus live the Ossetians who are distant relatives of the Iranians and possible descendents of the Ancient Schytian or the Avars. There there are also the Udmurts who have the highest share of red hair in the world (higher even that the Irish to which they were historically isolated). There are many other Finno-Ugric ethnicies who speak Languages distantly related to Hungarian, Finish and Estonian: Moscow itself is theoretized to be a Finno-Ugric name. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 52,837 Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 Not surprised a lower percentage is from. Moscow. Probably conscripted fewer soldiers from there or at least sent them in less dangerous assignments so as to have fewer angry families that could turn dangerous near Putin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 52,837 Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 6 hours ago, FfFfFfFF said: When an ethnic Russian dies it makes the news because people will treat him as a national hero and it can be used as a propaganda tool. Ethnic Tuvans, Buryats, Ossetians on the other hand are poorer and see the military as a source of good money, but they can't manipulate their deaths nationalistically. Yeah. Not surprised he's keeping hands off Moscow Soldiers for the most part. Keeps news and angry families away from his area and most politically sensitive area Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FfFfFfFF 58,060 Posted September 18, 2022 Author Share Posted September 18, 2022 1 minute ago, Economy said: Yeah. Not surprised he's keeping hands off Moscow Soldiers for the most part. Keeps news and angry families away from his area and most politically sensitive area It's important to note though that soldiers were not forced into conscription, so it was not a voluntary decision not to sent people from Moscow. They don't want to go there themselves, and have other better sources of income than fighting in the army, which can't be said about the other communities in Russia. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 52,837 Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 9 minutes ago, FfFfFfFF said: It's important to note though that soldiers were not forced into conscription, so it was not a voluntary decision not to sent people from Moscow. They don't want to go there themselves, and have other better sources of income than fighting in the army, which can't be said about the other communities in Russia. Ah they weren't conscripted? The media made it sound like they were when they talked about soldiers who didn't wanna be there and low morale So ur saying it's voluntary and Moscow has fewer career soldiers since there's better opportunities while poorer regions ppl are more likely to resort to it for income? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FfFfFfFF 58,060 Posted September 18, 2022 Author Share Posted September 18, 2022 Just now, Economy said: Ah they weren't conscripted? The media made it sound like they were when they talked about soldiers who didn't wanna be there and low morale They used conscripts in the first week of the war - according to some because they militarily less valuable and they obviously wanted to save the more experienced soldiers for the rest of the battles (Russians or not, is just sad to think about how human life is treated in these war games ). 4 minutes ago, Economy said: So ur saying it's voluntary and Moscow has fewer career soldiers since there's better opportunities while poorer regions ppl are more likely to resort to it for income? Yes! Though is not necesarilly a career thing, Russia can give someone who wants to fight 2 weeks of training and then will be send straight to the frontline. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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