Sepsami 17,706 Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 21 hours ago, Bat said: Isn't it true though? I've never seen anything of him with a guy yet he keeps that narrative going... We could say the same about Gaga being bi, its not a good attitude to have Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nATAH 44,231 Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 7 minutes ago, Sepsami said: We could say the same about Gaga being bi, its not a good attitude to have we've seen gaga "hang out" with a girl though mother, what must i do? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thatboyisarobot 152 Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 “So we must not refer a history of sexuality to the agency of sex; but rather show how "sex" is historically subordinate to sexuality. We must not place sex on the side of reality, and sexuality on that of confused ideas and illusions; sexuality is a very real historical formation; it is what gave rise to the notion of sex, as a speculative element necessary to its operation. We must not think that by saying yes to sex, one says no to power; on the contrary, one tracks along the course laid out by the general deployment of sexuality. It is the agency of sex that we must break away from, if we aim – through a tactical reversal of the various mechanisms of sexuality – to counter the grips of power with the claims of bodies, pleasures, and knowledges, in their multiplicity and their possibility of resistance. The rallying point for the counterattack against the deployment of sexuality ought not to be sex-desire, but bodies and pleasures.” - Michel Foucault, The History of Sexuality, Volume 1. Spoiler Some of y'all have never bothered to engage the work of actual gays and queer radicals that work outside liberal notions of identity, recognition, and transparency. Viral blurbs from a fundamentally antisocial platform are not the big brain flexes you think they are. Spoiler Not trying to be shady (OK, maybe a bit), but it's sad to see five decades of critical theorizing and philosophy from queer scholars ignored that has deliberately tried to overturn liberal positivist notions of sexual identity because it's easier to score antisocial media points by turning queerness into a list of boxes that need to be checked off before something can travel under the sign of "queer." Please, for the love of Satan, read Foucault, Anzaldúa, Alarcón, Ferguson, Muñoz, Puar, Edelman, Bersani, Butler, Halberstam Sedgewick, and/or any queer theory and queer of color critique published in the last half-century. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benji 20,113 Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 13 minutes ago, Sepsami said: We could say the same about Gaga being bi, its not a good attitude to have Except she just said she’s bi outright… she didn’t do a media tour about maybe being bi. She said it and moved on like a normal person would Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oriane 20,006 Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 On the one hand we have Harry who refuses to say his sexuality and you're all unhappy about it On the other hand we have Shawn who made it clear that he's straight and you're all unhappy about it You just want everyone to be gay You popped my heart seams, all my bubble dreams Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KORG 4,756 Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 52 minutes ago, Benji said: Except she just said she’s bi outright… she didn’t do a media tour about maybe being bi. She said it and moved on like a normal person would Styles isn't doing a media tour about it. He hasn't put out a single about it. But pokerface & it's media tour are exactly that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benji 20,113 Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 14 minutes ago, KORG said: Styles isn't doing a media tour about it. He hasn't put out a single about it. But pokerface & it's media tour are exactly that. He is doing a media tour about it, every interview he has to give multiple statements about his identity/sexuality when he simply couldn’t. Again, he and his team can veto these questions but they know it creates buzz so he keeps doing it. A bisexual woman, releasing a song that alludes to bisexuality and confirming that she is bisexual is very different than what Harry is doing. She didn’t smack down other queer people’s work or sanitise herself, she’s done the complete opposite of that her entire career. The comparison isn’t there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thatboyisarobot 152 Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 Personally, as a gay man, I feel much more "smacked down" by the functional illiteracy, witlessness, woeful lack of irony, and investment in ressentiment, the liberal politics of recognition, and conflation of social justice with transparency and confession that runs rampant in ostensibly "progressive" or "radical" online spaces than how any individual celebrity chooses to describe their identity. Books and scholarly articles have been and are currently being written about the limits of visibility as a basis for any kind of oppositional politics or social justice. The demand to be visible and empirically available to anyone in the terms set by a socially constructed, historically recent, and ultimately arbitrary categorization of human behavior is not and will not ever be liberatory. Forced visibility and positivist categorizations of bodies has been weaponized against virtually everyone since the nineteenth century, and this is especially true for minority populations. If one's politics ultimately comes down to a strict delineation of identity, your energy will inevitably be diverted from oppositional practice to the policing of category borders. Listen, I get it: dunking on famous people is a hell of a dopamine hit. I do it all the time. But, if your worldview and politics begins and ends on how celebrities market themselves, you're an aspiring PR agent, not an advocate or activist. There is no ethical consumption under capitalism. Consuming "better" will not make society more equitable. Making "real" queer people (whatever that means) richer will not make society better. On top of that, most of the income generated from musical artists winds up in the pockets of those who own the means of production in the music industry, not the artists themselves. The "support" you give to any artist, regardless of their identity, inevitably trickles up to the people that write their contracts. At the end of the day, homophobia, heterosexism, and cissexism are structural problems, not the unique fault of any individual, regardless of their popularity or social clout. If you don't like Harry, cool. If you think Harry is a fake, phony, Stepford malewife, all power to you. Harry will come and go eventually, like every other celebrity. But let's drop the pretension that we're talking politics when we're really just chatting about how different artists market themselves and our own personal opinions about it. You don't need to justify your every opinion or "take" on the world with a claim to moral or ethical correctness. One's politics has no intrinsic connection to one's taste in entertainment. To suggest otherwise is specious, at best. tl;dr: Visibility is a trap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KORG 4,756 Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 2 hours ago, Benji said: He is doing a media tour about it, every interview he has to give multiple statements about his identity/sexuality when he simply couldn’t. Again, he and his team can veto these questions but they know it creates buzz so he keeps doing it. A bisexual woman, releasing a song that alludes to bisexuality and confirming that she is bisexual is very different than what Harry is doing. She didn’t smack down other queer people’s work or sanitise herself, she’s done the complete opposite of that her entire career. The comparison isn’t there. A bisexual woman? Where? She may have used the word once or twice but has backtracked on it alot. Even going as far as to specify that she doesn't have relationships with women, or sex, but sexual experiences. She is clearly not bisexual and if you believe she is then you haven't really listened to her. Harry owes nobody anything. What he's saying is no different to Gaga responding to Anderson Cooper asking if she's trans. She neither confirmed nor denied. The unjustified outrage and mental hymnastics on here to vilify him are nuts. Breathe a bit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benji 20,113 Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 8 minutes ago, KORG said: A bisexual woman? Where? She may have used the word once or twice but has backtracked on it alot. Even going as far as to specify that she doesn't have relationships with women, or sex, but sexual experiences. She is clearly not bisexual and if you believe she is then you haven't really listened to her. Harry owes nobody anything. What he's saying is no different to Gaga responding to Anderson Cooper asking if she's trans. She neither confirmed nor denied. The unjustified outrage and mental hymnastics on here to vilify him are nuts. Breathe a bit. This level of gymnastics to defend a queerbaiter Dragging Gaga down to his level won’t work, the situations are completely different. If you can’t see that then I’m sorry! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KORG 4,756 Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 Just now, Benji said: This level of gymnastics to defend a queerbaiter Dragging Gaga down to his level won’t work, the situations are completely different. If you can’t see that then I’m sorry! Queerbaiting. Explain to me how "it's about my fascination with women" when there's never been a shred of reality to it, is different (or better) to saying you have no label and have never voluntarily put your relationship in public. Go ahead. Spell it out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benji 20,113 Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 1 minute ago, KORG said: Queerbaiting. Explain to me how "it's about my fascination with women" when there's never been a shred of reality to it, is different (or better) to saying you have no label and have never voluntarily put your relationship in public. Go ahead. Spell it out. Girl look back at this whole thread, this has been explained by different members so many times now. You lost me wanting to engage with this conversation the moment you tried dragging Gaga down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KORG 4,756 Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 Just now, Benji said: Girl look back at this whole thread, this has been explained by different members so many times now. You lost me wanting to engage with this conversation the moment you dragged Gaga into it. It hasn't been explained because it makes no sense no matter how you try. It's actually a disgusting viewpoint. You cant even negate what I said about gaga either because it's true. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
insight 2,428 Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 The gays want a confirmation so that they can have a clarity on their odds of a "quickie" with Harry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benji 20,113 Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 1 minute ago, KORG said: It hasn't been explained because it makes no sense no matter how you try. It's actually a disgusting viewpoint. You cant even negate what I said about gaga either because it's true. Damn, you d*ck riding so hard you actually might turn Harry gay Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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