Fake Wokeness surrounding Kim Petras?

[LadyxGaGa 1,852]

lets keep boycotting her, esp with her new album coming out, she needs to face the consequences of working and glorifying a rapist 

[gumzy3000 7,298]

My ex-boyfriend transitioned into a trans woman and her life has been very difficult. Abuse, people spitting on her face, assault, etc. I have the strongest support for transwomen. Their lives are not at all easy.

Kim must be facing a ton of obstacles to make it big in the toxic music industry. We do not know what happens behind closed doors, but I’m sure she isn’t taken seriously when business deals and contracts are signed. She is no where near the level of Dua, Katy, Doja (whom Dr.Luke is making millions off). Why attack a vulnerable trans artist? She might be desperate and this is her chance to make it. 

You all need to stop bullying and cancelling her. Stop thinking the world is black and white. Looking at the bigger picture, we should support Kim. 

[PartySick 159,829]

58 minutes ago, enissa11 said:

i dont think he receives anything for merch or touring

If he does still get royalties for Chromatica (again, I'm not sure) then the merch and tour that promotes that album indirectly supports him. That's what I meant.

58 minutes ago, enissa11 said:

you can't compare working directly with an abuser like this with indirect royalties or people working for those abusers that have and minimal to zero connection to the work itself

I don't disagree

Kim chose to work with him, right? If I cared enough about her or her work to give her any attention before, I'd be disappointed. I'm not making an excuse for her or anything, I'm speaking more about how weird it is to get angry at each other for listening to Kim or not. Like, I wouldn't think less of someone for listening to her music just like I wouldn't think more of them if they decided to boycott everything that has Luke or his collaborators' names on it.

The issue is with him first, the label that keeps artists trapped in contracts with him second, the artists that work with him willingly third, and everyone else just really isn't relevant imo.

I don't really know how to make my point here  I'm just kinda "meh" about the whole situation 'cause Kim is so far off my radar that you might as well be talking about nobody.

This thread is talking about the "woke" kids' reaction to Kim, after all. I think people should lay off each other and paint their crosshairs on Luke.

[Fish 6,121]

i agree. if yall are serious, you should 100% boycott any music he produced, period. 

 

its crystal clear to me. You actually are penalizing the artist (Kim) more than the actual alleged criminal (Luke). if it is about the producer, then you have to go further than Kim, contract or not (a legal technicality, that has no place in moral, good and bad, which people hide behind in order to not have to do uncomfortable choices)

 

 

[ALGAYDO 32,446]

9 hours ago, Versace said:

I mean obviously I’m exaggerating but I personally have seen people deflect when I raise the concern and even other users have pointed it out, which is why I felt like it might need its own thread. I just don’t understand how some call out an artist for working with a rapist but are justifying their support of other artists that “are not voluntarily working with him”. Like make it make sense you know? You can’t be enjoying music that benefits Luke and then point the finger at Kim. That’s literally hypocrisy. 

The world isn’t as black and white as you’re making it seem tho. Like I said, I’m one of those people who would never support an artist that’s actively supporting a rapist. That’s Kim right now. Artists who have worked with him in the past (Kesha, Katy Perry, Kelly Clackson, Pink, etc.) but have since denounced working with him are NOT the same as artists like Kim. And even artists like Doja, who are forced to work with him, but still stand with Kesha, do not belong in the same category as Kim. 
 

it’s all about the intention. Nobody is a saint but we should still call out bad behavior when we see it. 

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if we ban kim petras, then you gotta ban katy, doja and every other artist he worked with..... i wish she would stop working with him because their music together isnt even that big, but we gotta be fair.

[Versace 7,959]

14 minutes ago, ALGAYDO said:

The world isn’t as black and white as you’re making it seem tho. Like I said, I’m one of those people who would never support an artist that’s actively supporting a rapist. That’s Kim right now. Artists who have worked with him in the past (Kesha, Katy Perry, Kelly Clackson, Pink, etc.) but have since denounced working with him are NOT the same as artists like Kim. And even artists like Doja, who are forced to work with him, but still stand with Kesha, do not belong in the same category as Kim. 
 

it’s all about the intention. Nobody is a saint but we should still call out bad behavior when we see it. 

BUT this thread was never about the artists themselves, we’re not comparing them. I never explicitly stated that we should boycott artists that worked with him in the past, it makes no sense whatsoever especially if their new music isn’t associated with Luke. Besides do whatever you want at the end of the day, I’m not anybody’s mom, and don’t really care. I was just trying to point out how some of us chose to boycott certain artists to support a cause but then not committing fully to it. There are definitely people who have boycotted Kim’s music but have remained supportive of Doja’s, Saweetie’s, etc. This is what this thread is trying to highlight, nothing else. It makes boycotting Kim useless since some of those very same people are refusing to boycott other music associated with Luke that he makes money from. I hope you got my point because I’m seeing some users trying to sway out of the subject in the OP to simply express their disgust with Kim, there are already threads for that. 

[LadyxGaGa 1,852]

27 minutes ago, Versace said:

BUT this thread was never about the artists themselves, we’re not comparing them. I never explicitly stated that we should boycott artists that worked with him in the past, it makes no sense whatsoever especially if their new music isn’t associated with Luke. Besides do whatever you want at the end of the day, I’m not anybody’s mom, and don’t really care. I was just trying to point out how some of us chose to boycott certain artists to support a cause but then not committing fully to it. There are definitely people who have boycotted Kim’s music but have remained supportive of Doja’s, Saweetie’s, etc. This is what this thread is trying to highlight, nothing else. It makes boycotting Kim useless since some of those very same people are refusing to boycott other music associated with Luke that he makes money from. I hope you got my point because I’m seeing some users trying to sway out of the subject in the OP to simply express their disgust with Kim, there are already threads for that. 

its literally because of the fact that kim choose to work so closely to him, of course other artist do as well but looking at doja's planet her and the two that he is produces compared to the constant dr. luke all over kims work its vastly diff. 

at least from witness, katy doesnt seem to have dr. luke anywhere close to this stuff

i can continue 

its the fact that everyone seems to distant themselves from hit, kim seems to inch closer and closer and work more and work with him

[Versace 7,959]

7 minutes ago, LadyxGaGa said:

its literally because of the fact that kim choose to work so closely to him, of course other artist do as well but looking at doja's planet her and the two that he is produces compared to the constant dr. luke all over kims work its vastly diff. 

at least from witness, katy doesnt seem to have dr. luke anywhere close to this stuff

i can continue 

its the fact that everyone seems to distant themselves from hit, kim seems to inch closer and closer and work more and work with him

Again how is this related to the OP, this isn’t about comparing Kim to the other artists in a moral battle, for God’s sake. Yes okay Kim is toxic for working with Luke, next, literally next because this thread wasn’t even about that. I even already established in the OP that Kim is toxic for working with Luke. Can we not also use this thread as another outlet to call out Kim. This thread was about specific users on here who are claiming to boycott Kim but are making justifications for Doja. Even if Doja only has a few songs under him or isn’t directly working with him, anyone who streams those songs of her will still be giving Dr.Luke their time and money. Can we just admit it for once instead of dance around it. Like you’d think that a Q&A structure would be easy for the girlies to digest yet many are not getting the point. 

[LadyxGaGa 1,852]

3 minutes ago, Versace said:

Again how is this related to the OP, this isn’t about comparing Kim to the other artists in a moral battle, for God’s sake. Yes okay Kim is toxic for working with Luke, next, literally next because this thread wasn’t even about that. I even already established in the OP that Kim is toxic for working with Luke. Can we not also use this thread as another outlet to call out Kim. This thread was about specific users on here who are claiming to boycott Kim but are making justifications for Doja. Even if Doja only has a few songs under him or isn’t directly working with him, anyone who streams those songs of her will still be giving Dr.Luke their time and money. Can we just admit it for once instead of dance around it. Like you’d think that a Q&A structure would be easy for the girlies to digest yet many are not getting the point. 

cuz that is literally part of the nuances of the answer  to ur question. it’s because artists past and present who have worked with him are trying to now distance themselves now and their work isn’t closely tied to dr luke as kim’s is currently. it’s because these other artist are trying their hardest to get away from him that they reason support cuz they aren’t siding with him or his clutch of producing and finding other people to work with. kim is not. the other artists are expanding and yet again distancing themselves. they are putting their money where there mouth is by yet again distancing themselves instead of inching closer and closer. like i don’t doubt this new album after slut pop has dr. luke’s name on every track 

[ALGAYDO 32,446]

57 minutes ago, Versace said:

BUT this thread was never about the artists themselves, we’re not comparing them. I never explicitly stated that we should boycott artists that worked with him in the past, it makes no sense whatsoever especially if their new music isn’t associated with Luke. Besides do whatever you want at the end of the day, I’m not anybody’s mom, and don’t really care. I was just trying to point out how some of us chose to boycott certain artists to support a cause but then not committing fully to it. There are definitely people who have boycotted Kim’s music but have remained supportive of Doja’s, Saweetie’s, etc. This is what this thread is trying to highlight, nothing else. It makes boycotting Kim useless since some of those very same people are refusing to boycott other music associated with Luke that he makes money from. I hope you got my point because I’m seeing some users trying to sway out of the subject in the OP to simply express their disgust with Kim, there are already threads for that. 

I totally get where you’re coming from, I really do, I just don’t adhere to that same mentality.

I’m about to use an analogy that some may deem offensive, but it’s the only one I can think about rn: what you’re saying- to me at least- sounds like when people get upset at others for posting about the BLM without actively protesting/boycotting/volunteering. Yes, it seems hypocritical of them to post at BLM without actually doing any of the physical work. But you know what? What they’re doing is better than sitting around completely silent about the BLM movement. I feel the same thing is happening with stuff like Dr. Luke and Harvey Weinstein. Some people are calling out those who support them (actors/artists/directors/etc.) without actually doing anything about the current rape-culture that Hollywood perpetrates or without cancelling the actors/artist/etc that are benefitting from them. It doesn’t mean we should all STFU about rape culture in Hollywood just because some people are doing more superficial work than others. 
 

idk if I’m making my point clear, but yeah, this is how I see this Kim/Luke situation.  

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13 hours ago, Versace said:

Honestly I didn’t want to make a separate thread when there’s already heated talks about Kim going on in others threads but many users seem to be jumping on this moral bandwagon but are not committing to it. I’ve seen numerous opinions here on how Kim is a toxic person for working with Luke and how we should boycott her but let’s break down the situation objectively. I will use a Q&A structure to make things as clear as possible (consider it a snapshot of the debate surrounding her on this site).

Q:Why should we boycott Kim?

A: Because she is working with Dr. Luke voluntarily when she had multiple opportunities not to. 

Q:Why is Dr. Luke a bad association?

A: He’s a rapist and I don’t want my support (be it financial or emotional) to be invested into that person or anyone who works with that person. 

Q: Will you also be boycotting all other artists/songs/writing credits under Dr. Luke since he still benefits financially from them?

A: No sis, Doja is not working with him voluntarily, so I will still support her and she’s not even in the same room as him, she just has to credit him since she’s under a contract before the accusations and as for Katy’s catalog I will still stream her old catalogue since it was before Free Kesha. As for Dua she just works with his writers. 

Q: But you do realize that you are still supporting a rapist? Since he financially benefits regardless of your justifications.

A: But...but...Kim is different and we MUST boycott her to stand with rape victims!!! 

This deflection is precisely what I mean. If you are boycotting Kim out of a moral duty, why make exemptions that are convenient to your moral compass? Often times acting morally is far from convenient. This is not to judge someone’s moral stance but rather highlight how it may come across as disingenuous. You start to questions whether someone is actually invested in the cause or simply wants to join the noise for the sake of it. This thread is not about me or where I personally stand on the matter but simply looking to address a specific aspect of the conversation. Hope we can have a civil conversation about it. 

You didn't lie but you also have no point. It IS different (for some people) to support someone who has said they didn't want to work with him and made it known. You are erroneously suggesting that all people who are boycotting Kim are doing it so Dr Luke gets no coins, but that is false. People are also boycotting her for being complicit and calling Dr. Luke a liar. So while someone like Doja also benefits Luke when you stream her, it is NOT the same thing. Stop making it out to be. If people were saying that the only reason they did it was to not put money in Luke's pocket, you'd be correct. But that's not what people are saying. People still want to support women (even when unfortunately it also supports him) just to support THEM. The issue here is that people don't want to support KIM because of her messy statements about this (calling Kesha a liar) and the fact that she signed with him way later than anyone else. So you are starting with a false premise. Good deflection though. 

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3 hours ago, Fish said:

i agree. if yall are serious, you should 100% boycott any music he produced, period. 

 

its crystal clear to me. You actually are penalizing the artist (Kim) more than the actual alleged criminal (Luke). if it is about the producer, then you have to go further than Kim, contract or not (a legal technicality, that has no place in moral, good and bad, which people hide behind in order to not have to do uncomfortable choices)

 

 

this is the only comment that matters here.

lets focus on the raptist and not the ppl who support him. at the end of the day.. the evil is him

[stvn 617]

11 hours ago, JusKeepBreathin said:

I don't think we should be protesting anyone trying to make a living. I mean should we protest sex workers for sleeping with sleazy men to make a living. 

I am not comparing Kim to a sex worker either. I just think people gotta eat. 

I don't even blame any of the women who went along with Weinstein for years. 

Luke is already on notice. If he messes up again like he messed up with Kesha he will be hung out to dry like Weinstein. Because of Kesha the next person will stand up to him. 

This is such a broad and unrealistic generalization. It's possible that some people are doing what they have to to eat and also possible that some people (with money and other options) are being complicit in calling women like Kesha a liar. That's a broad brush you are painting with, and it's not the same in every situation. Period. 

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9 hours ago, Ployd said:

Kim working with Luke is pretty lame and disappointing but everyone screaming free Kesha while listing to other artists all the time aren't any better. Piling onto Kim doesn't give you the clout you think it does.

You're missing the point by a mile. If someone wants to boycott all Dr. Luke music, including music by Kesha that he profits from (against her will), good for them, I guess. But that isn't what most people are saying. Most people are SAYING that we want to support women who did nothing wrong even if it means giving Luke coins. So despite the fact that Luke is getting paid (sadly), we still support the women who deserve the support since they have no choice in the matter, signed with him before the allegations, and are being taken advantage of by him. But when someone like Kim comes along who is complicit in calling Kesha a liar and who signed with him WELL AFTER the allegations, we have no reason to support her in spite of Luke. Is it starting to make sense to you yet? You guys are peddling a false choice and false narrative here. Most people are not saying we shouldn't support anything that gives Luke coins -- people are saying that you should only support something that gives him coins when the woman who also benefits is innocent and doesn't deserve a boycott herself. Kim DOES deserve a boycott. The others don't. No one has done as much to legitimize Luke in recent years as Kim. So stop with these ridiculous arguments that no one even said.