94th Oscars Nominations Announcement

[dit 46,458]

can someone explain to me who votes these actors? Like is it actors and directors and stuff? if so...does that mean Gaga is not liked by her fellow artists? I'm so confused. thank you

[StrawberryBlond 14,828]

I'm genuinely stunned. It is so rare to see someone who's been nominated across the length and breadth of awards ceremonies (even if they're not actually winning) to miss out on an Oscar nomination. Considering Gaga's acting was better here than it was in ASIB and required her to act in a much more challenging way, to not acknowledge it at all doesn't seem to make sense. Especially when you consider that the academy clearly loves her, what with getting her to perform there 3 times, giving her a best actress nom for her first ever leading role and giving her the best song award, all of this over the last few years. I like to think it was just a case that voting was extremely close. For all we know, Gaga lost out by a single vote. Of course, I hope this gives her the drive to do even better next time but let's not pretend that her next role will happen real soon. It took 3 years between ASIB and HOG. The thought of waiting another 3 years or more for another big role (that may end up getting snubbed again) is torturous. I'd like to think that directors will be falling over themselves to ask her to work on their next movie to make up for her big snub, as we all like to immediately over-correct when we miss out on something we really want so we can hopefully get it by this time next year. But that isn't how life works. It might take years until her next big role or even supporting role. And it has to be for an Oscar baity movie too. My only comfort is that she at least already has an Oscar of some description. But let's be real, when you win for your acting, that's when you know you've made it.

[N a t h a n 701]

26 minutes ago, dit said:

can someone explain to me who votes these actors? Like is it actors and directors and stuff? if so...does that mean Gaga is not liked by her fellow artists? I'm so confused. thank you

They don't want her to become that powerful tbh they're scared of here

[Jinzo 9,639]

This one really hurt. 

I hadn't felt this way since the Joanne tour cancelation. 

 

[Jinzo 9,639]

5 hours ago, Cello said:

So is it likely that she will attend the Oscars? 

I really hope she won't. There's no reason. It shouldn't have to be seen as rude or petty if she decides to skip the ceremony. 

[LilyLark 10,098]

1 hour ago, dit said:

can someone explain to me who votes these actors? Like is it actors and directors and stuff? if so...does that mean Gaga is not liked by her fellow artists? I'm so confused. thank you

No. I'm sure film twitter (including some journalists) will spin it that way as many on there dislike her, but it's unlikely. SAG and BAFTA voters are also people in the industry (actors, directors, etc.) and they voted for Gaga. To be fair, SAG is more populist but BAFTA voters tend to be kind of snobby so Gaga winning them over was impressive.

There's probably a lot of factors that went into her being snubbed—the campaigning might have hurt her a  bit, tbf, and some people probably still don't take hers seriously due to her being a pop star (even if she won over BAFTA)—but in the end it was probably the ranked choice voting and the fact that Gucci had mixed reviews. The fact that Gucci was completely shut out besides makeup/hair means they really didn't like it. It was also just a really competitive year. The guilds (people who also vote for AMPAS) noted Chastain, Kidman, Stewart, Gaga, Cruz, Hudson, and Colman...and there are only 5 slots.

*I suspect the ranked choice voting was the main issue. Balfe was in a similar position to Gaga (hit all the precursors, was very likely one of the top two popular vote getters at BAFTA). Not only that, critics mostly loved Belfast unlike Gucci. But if neither one of them had passionate supporters...they could have been the 4th/5th choice for a lot of people.

[Future Lovers 6,903]

1 hour ago, N a t h a n said:

They don't want her to become that powerful tbh they're scared of here

No, that is not it. 

1 hour ago, dit said:

can someone explain to me who votes these actors? Like is it actors and directors and stuff? if so...does that mean Gaga is not liked by her fellow artists? I'm so confused. thank you

The Academy voting body is comprised of 17 branches and each branch nominates + picks a winner for their own branch with the exception of Best Picture which everyone gets to vote on. So, editors nominate and choose a winner for editors, cinematographers for cinematographers, etc. 

Nominates and winners are not a one and done deal, they are done preferentially. The voting body is asked to rank their top choices from who they want to see get it most to the least. For the acting categories, that means the performers who get ranked in the top 5 more than any other secure the nomination.

So what this means is that there were probably plenty of people who believed Gaga should be nominated, but the majority of voters ranked the other 5 consistently higher.  

[LilyLark 10,098]

3 minutes ago, No Way Home said:

No, that is not it. 

The Academy voting body is comprised of 17 branches and each branch nominates + picks a winner for their own branch with the exception of Best Picture which everyone gets to vote on. So, editors nominate and choose a winner for editors, cinematographers for cinematographers, etc. 

Nominates and winners are not a one and done deal, they are done preferentially. The voting body is asked to rank their top choices from who they want to see get it most to the least. For the acting categories, that means the performers who get ranked in the top 5 more than any other secure the nomination.

So what this means is that there were probably plenty of people who believed Gaga should be nominated, but the majority of voters ranked the other 5 consistently higher.  

And I kind of hesitate to say this as I suspect some monsters will use it to be messy on twitter...but it also means people who have worked less in the US film industry are probably at a disadvantage because AMPAS (despite having international members) is largely US based. And while people are mostly fair, if someone thinks there are ten worthy candidates (which there was imo)...they are probably more likely to vote for the people they have worked with in the past or are friends with....unless they are super passionate about certain candidates (like they were with Parasite). Moreover, Ariana probably benefited from Spielberg in supporting as they all respect him, many have worked with him, and he pushed for her hard.

Balfe, Gaga, Hudson, and Negga have done very few US based projects or film projects in general...so I can see how that might have put them at a disadvantage. Not to mention ranked choice voting, as you noted.

[Pennywise 36,079]

13 hours ago, Fresco said:

I see some people want her in an indie film. I do not.  I don't watch indie films. I never pay to see indie films. I may end up watching a few on a streaming service that I already subscribe to. Besides, her music videos are all indie films,  sort of. Get the big budgets if they are available.

I would also say to stop chasing awards. Just do the next stuff for entertainment, not awards. It's the entertainment industry, after all. Happy and fair Hollywood endings are pleasing to people. Have enough people on staff to avoid really big mistakes. No tear jerkers that leave an audience feeling wretched. Gory bloody movies are gross. 

She may actually want to only do drama films and that's ok too. It's her life to live.

And it's unneccessary to do all this extra press to promote the movie. I'm pretty sure many actors have contracts that require very few press appearances after filming is done. They do more than 1 movie a year and limited press appearances.

 

 

So you're basically saying that she should become... Chr*s Pr*tt or something? Lmao she has way too much passion for that. If you don't like anything except for Hollywood blockbusters it's to your own detriment. 

[freebit 6,240]

12 hours ago, Reality said:

I don't think it had anything to do with her awards campaign. She was fantastic in all the interviews and stuff. I just don't think HoG was received well overall, which might've hurt her own chances at getting a nomination. 

I was more referring to what her perception might be (rather than actual fact), as in I hope she doesn't percieve this as "people say I was too strange and OTT, so maybe I'll just tone it down now" even if in the back of her mind. Cher is an uncompromsing woman, and also had a similar perception, and I'm sure if there was film twitter in the 80s, she no doubt would've been getting the same type of comments about her. 

Definitely agree that she was fantastic in interviews, and people were living for it tbh (even if trying to spin it in an ~cool ironic way as calling her unhinged etc.)

2 hours ago, LilyLark said:

And I kind of hesitate to say this as I suspect some monsters will use it to be messy on twitter...but it also means people who have worked less in the US film industry are probably at a disadvantage because AMPAS (despite having international members) is largely US based. And while people are mostly fair, if someone thinks there are ten worthy candidates (which there was imo)...they are probably more likely to vote for the people they have worked with in the past or are friends with....unless they are super passionate about certain candidates (like they were with Parasite). Moreover, Ariana probably benefited from Spielberg in supporting as they all respect him, many have worked with him, and he pushed for her hard.

Balfe, Gaga, Hudson, and Negga have done very few US based projects or film projects in general...so I can see how that might have put them at a disadvantage. Not to mention ranked choice voting, as you noted.

Yeah, I completely think it all came down to friends and old colleagues campaigning passionately, and Gaga not being seen by them as an underdog at all. 

[LilyLark 10,098]

38 minutes ago, freebit said:

Yeah, I completely think it all came down to friends and old colleagues campaigning passionately, and Gaga not being seen by them as an underdog at all. 

Not trying to drag any actress (I feel like they were all worthy)....but I believe that's a big part of why Chastain and Stewart got in over Hudson and Gaga. The BAFTA long list is the only reason people thought Cruz would be snubbed...she had the advantage of being in an awards friendly film with critical acclaim and being widely respected (esp. among in non English lang cinema). Not to mention a lot of people thought she gave the best performance of the year....

But yeah, Hudson and Gaga both had AACTA/SAG while Chastain missed the former and Stewart the latter. Both were already campaigning beforehand but really seemed to pick up speed after they missed those voters (probably because of the AMPAS crossover). And while Gaga had a bunch of media attention, she did not do the endless rounds of screenings/dinner parties/etc. those two were. I mean, it's possible she did it, but considering stuff popped up on twitter about them doing the rounds I suspect if Gaga had been doing it we would have seen pics on twitter, etc. And when Chastain/Stewart were doing that sort of campaigning, it often came out that other celebrities were hosting events for them, etc. Not to mention both have worked in the industry for a while...

[freebit 6,240]

35 minutes ago, LilyLark said:

Not trying to drag any actress (I feel like they were all worthy)....but I believe that's a big part of why Chastain and Stewart got in over Hudson and Gaga. The BAFTA long list is the only reason people thought Cruz would be snubbed...she had the advantage of being in an awards friendly film with critical acclaim and being widely respected (esp. among in non English lang cinema). Not to mention a lot of people thought she gave the best performance of the year....

But yeah, Hudson and Gaga both had AACTA/SAG while Chastain missed the former and Stewart the latter. Both were already campaigning beforehand but really seemed to pick up speed after they missed those voters (probably because of the AMPAS crossover). And while Gaga had a bunch of media attention, she did not do the endless rounds of screenings/dinner parties/etc. those two were. I mean, it's possible she did it, but considering stuff popped up on twitter about them doing the rounds I suspect if Gaga had been doing it we would have seen pics on twitter, etc. And when Chastain/Stewart were doing that sort of campaigning, it often came out that other celebrities were hosting events for them, etc. Not to mention both have worked in the industry for a while...

This. Gaga has never had anyone throwing dinner parties & screenings for her like that. The most insider support she's gotten is Bradley speaking fondly of her. I remember even during the 2018/19 awards season, Ryan Murphy wasn't even doing stuff like that for her, he threw one for The Favorite instead. 

I have nothing against the other contenders, and I do resepect their hustle (honestly good on them for going after what they want ), but people are ignoring how hard some of them worked for support - much harder than Gaga actually.  For example, I can't imagine the reaction people would have had if Gaga had thanked the #cancelled Globes for the nominations. Also, not to mention, Gaga never did the complete pundit rounds with GD, AW, all those other countless random sites & their podcasts - she just did official media only, like THR, Variety, Deadline, and Indiewire. The petty side of me hopes she never give those types (pundits with the podcasts) her time. For some reason, they're always the nastiest of the bunch. In fact, a lot these entertainment journalists perched on twitter are garbage - it's like the stan twitter mentality crossed over and influenced and infected most of their brains at some point, and they refuse to realize it. Anyway, rant over. 

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That was... A surprise, definitely.

Bit this race was extremely competitive and the other nominees are masters of acting (and their performances are really good this year!).

Also, Gaga was the only one to drive HoG. It felt messy to me: mostly editing and script were a huge meltdown. And, since I'm Italian, I felt like it was full of stereotypes.

Not to mention the supporting role of Jared Leto, which portrays Paolo Gucci as a man suffering from dementia or some other mental health disease (which is arguable as a choice), with no respect for this person.

The story itself develops by focusing on so many collateral stories about the family business, in which you truly get lost. It misses the point. It could've been a crime drama, with a better depiction of the psychology of all the characters involved. Such a missed occasion.

What I'm trying to say is that Gaga's performance was remarkable and admirable, but she worked hard for a  movie which results as really chaotic and overall average.

AMPAS members might have not taken it too seriously and I wouldn't disagree on that.

I'm sure Gaga will take a role which enables her to express herself at the utmost of her potential, in the future, and she'll keep studying and learning in the meanwhile.

Her acting career has just begun and she's already received so much praise and recognition.

So, the best is yet to come, i guess

 

[LilyLark 10,098]

23 minutes ago, freebit said:

This. Gaga has never had anyone throwing dinner parties & screenings for her like that. The most insider support she's gotten is Bradley speaking fondly of her. I remember even during the 2018/19 awards season, Ryan Murphy wasn't even doing stuff like that for her, he threw one for The Favorite instead. 

I have nothing against the other contenders, and I do resepect their hustle (honestly good on them for going after what they want ), but people are ignoring how hard some of them worked for support - much harder than Gaga actually.  For example, I can't imagine the reaction people would have had if Gaga had thanked the #cancelled Globes for the nominations. Also, not to mention, Gaga never did the complete pundit rounds with GD, AW, all those other countless random sites & their podcasts - she just did official media only, like THR, Variety, Deadline, and Indiewire. The petty side of me hopes she never give those types (pundits with the podcasts) her time. For some reason, they're always the nastiest of the bunch. In fact, a lot these entertainment journalists perched on twitter are garbage - it's like the stan twitter mentality crossed over and influenced and infected most of their brains at some point, and they refuse to realize it. Anyway, rant over. 

Yes, that's part of the reason the "oh she's so desperate" narrative was annoying because a lot of the people pushing that narrative knew d*mn well that media attention is only a small part of the traditional campaigning. If Gaga had done half of the dinners that some of the other contenders had done she would have been dragged even more (again, not shaming them)....not to mention thanking the Globes (as you noted). I'm actually kind of curious as to why Gaga didn't even do that many screenings after the release (I can think of a couple of reasons behind the lack of dinner parties, etc., especially as none of the MGM projects seemed to have them)...even Jodie Comer did a few last minute screenings before SAG was announced and she was officially out of the game.

I find it interesting that Colman has basically done nothing this time around. She did a few events before the film premiered on Netflix and then nothing.

*lol I also hope she ignores those bloggers and well...Indiewire too (if she can get away with it). I think actors are kind of obligated to do the Variety/Deadline/THR circuit if they are in an awards baity film but Indiewire...not so much. Interestingly enough, one of the bloggers I forgot to drop when I curated my twitter feed a while back, put Kristen in the list because he noted she was "playing the game hard" (which few others mentioned) while others had dropped her.

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By far the most likely reason Gaga missed the nom is because acting categories don't have a preferential ballot like Best Picture, so a lot of actors gave their vote to someone else because they thought Gaga was a lock. This is the only explanation that makes sense, considering that she made SAG and BAFTA (both of which share members with the Academy).

EW explained it here:
https://ew.com/awards/oscars/oscars-snub-lady-gaga-caitriona-balfe/