Magui 2,628 Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 25 minutes ago, SKANK said: Personally, I think you are making a fair point. While Gaga has always done brand deals, the balance between art and comercialism leaned more in the direction of art. That balance shifted during the Chromatica era. Which may not be important to some fans, but it’s reasonable if others are disappointed. I do think it's reasonable to be disappointed. I just don't get the "level of disappointment", the way some people express themselves it is almost like she is doing something devious ( or at least that's what I interpret from some comments today) or something she never did before, specially when she always done brand deals. I do think if she did more performances, interviews and music videos, people wouldn't be discussing this. 🙂 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidJP 737 Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 DP is about 150-400+ dollars a bottle... mam what money do you think i have LOL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKANK 14,288 Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 36 minutes ago, Magui said: I do think it's reasonable to be disappointed. I just don't get the "level of disappointment", the way some people express themselves it is almost like she is doing something devious ( or at least that's what I interpret from some comments today) or something she never did before, specially when she always done brand deals. I do think if she did more performances, interviews and music videos, people wouldn't be discussing this. 🙂 I totally agree. There are people on both sides of this conversation that are going over board in their defense and criticism of her. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevstar4 242 Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 I often think about the “music not the bling” argument myself... sometimes I say maybe I should shrug it off. But then I remember it’s a lyric in one of her most iconic songs that means so much. ARTPOP forever Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin 24,441 Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 7 hours ago, SKANK said: While Gaga has always done brand deals, the balance between art and comercialism leaned more in the direction of art. That balance shifted during the Chromatica era. Can you explain how selling AliExpress-quality headphones for $100, or promoting a mayonnaise brand and a dating website in a music video, is leaning towards art, but what she's doing today isn't? Like, what's the criteria? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin 24,441 Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 7 hours ago, illySpencer said: You really think that the Chromatica Era was plenty of these ? Seriously ? Were you here during TF/TFM and BTW Eras ? Yes. There has been plenty of promo for the Chromatica era that you are choosing to ignore because you want something to complain about. 7 hours ago, illySpencer said: Are you not questionning her artistic side and her authenticity when the product that she try to sale is not even buyable by 99,99% of her fans ? No. What does her authenticity have to do with the price of the product she's promoting? Is she supposed to be the face of McDonalds for the rest of her career just so that some entitled teenager on the Internet doesn't think she's inauthentic? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esteban 2,300 Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 7 hours ago, SKANK said: Personally, I think you are making a fair point. While Gaga has always done brand deals, the balance between art and comercialism leaned more in the direction of art. That balance shifted during the Chromatica era. Which may not be important to some fans, but it’s reasonable if others are disappointed. I think you worded it well, clearly its about the balance between art commercialism. I root for her almost since day 1 because of her artistry, her boldness, her visions. I could handle her commercial deals even if it wasn't my thing politically and ethically because I was artisticly pleased and intelectually feed. Nowadays It's more difficult for me to be satisfied because almost nothing remains but the aspect of her I disliked. So I think its understandable to be disapointed but I dont blame her, she does what she wants, I just lose interest and its my right too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
franminervini 16,982 Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 Have you checked the Charts Thread today?! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
illySpencer 1,434 Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 4 hours ago, Admin said: Yes. There has been plenty of promo for the Chromatica era that you are choosing to ignore because you want something to complain about. No. What does her authenticity have to do with the price of the product she's promoting? Is she supposed to be the face of McDonalds for the rest of her career just so that some entitled teenager on the Internet doesn't think she's inauthentic? Of course no, but the purpose of a collabaration is to use your face to sale a product, and by your face I mean your fanbase too, otherwise I don't get the point. If GaGa did just the Dom Pérignon collab, I would say nothing but the WHOLE era was sponsored by a brand (Apple, Lomborgini, Adobe, LG, Oreo). So yes it's too much. And by the way Chromatica era was her poorest era, I didn't choosing to ignore this, just read the whole forum when people asking for more promotion, more live TV, more singles... You clearly can't ignoring these people. Once again if you are contented by this era, good for you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin 24,441 Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 17 minutes ago, illySpencer said: If GaGa did just the Dom Pérignon collab, I would say nothing but the WHOLE era was sponsored by a brand (Apple, Lomborgini, Adobe, LG, Oreo). Just like every other of her eras. 17 minutes ago, illySpencer said: Once again if you are contented by this era, good for you. And if you aren't, then don't listen to the music, don't watch the videos, don't buy the products. Stop ruining the fun for everyone else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKANK 14,288 Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 8 hours ago, Admin said: Can you explain how selling AliExpress-quality headphones for $100, or promoting a mayonnaise brand and a dating website in a music video, is leaning towards art, but what she's doing today isn't? Like, what's the criteria? I don’t believe the quality or quantity of art being created by her during the Chromatica era justifies the the level of cooperate ventures we are seeing. In previous eras an album release meant a blitz of ambitious artistic projects requiring sponsors, that hasn’t proven to be the case for Chromatica, for several legitimate reasons. That sentiment is shared by a significant portion of her fan base, hence the bi-weekly Music Not The Bling threads. As long as that opinion is shared respectfully, hopefully it is welcome here. However, based on your posts in this thread, that doesn’t seem to be the case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin 24,441 Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, SKANK said: I don’t believe the quality or quantity of art being created by her during the Chromatica era justifies the the level of cooperate ventures we are seeing. In previous eras an album release meant a blitz of ambitious artistic projects requiring sponsors, that hasn’t proven to be the case for Chromatica, for several legitimate reasons. That sentiment is shared by a significant portion of her fan base, hence the bi-weekly Music Not The Bling threads. As long as that opinion is shared respectfully, hopefully it is welcome here. However, based on your posts in this thread, that doesn’t seem to be the case. You are correct, the “opinion“ that Lady Gaga is inauthentic or a sell-out is not welcome here. Thankfully, the “significant portion of her fanbase“ is actually not significant—just loud. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuffsAhoy 7,433 Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 3 minutes ago, Admin said: You are correct, the “opinion“ that Lady Gaga is inauthentic or a sell-out is not welcome here. You have no idea how much I LOVE seeing this response!! Hopefully some of the "fans" that do nothing but host "Gaga sucks, her art is inauthentic" circle jerks will finally start finding the exit. It's been so refreshing to see excitement and joy brought back into the fandom over the last few days! But the fake fans that lurk here cannot stand to see Gaga continue succeeding, so they have to crawl of their parent's basement and write essay after essay about how she's a sell-out. Thanks for continuing to put them in their place! You remind me that it's such a wonderful thing to love. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKANK 14,288 Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 Just now, Admin said: You are correct, the “opinion“ that Lady Gaga is inauthentic or a sell-out is not welcome here. Thankfully, the “significant portion of her fanbase“ is actually not significant—just loud. I didn’t say she was being inauthentic or a sell out. Perhaps you are projecting? It’s completely reasonable for her to focus on business. It’s also completely reasonable for fans to note the real shift in the direction of cooperate interests, with ventures like Haus Labs, and the extensive list of recent coperate sponsors. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuffsAhoy 7,433 Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 19 minutes ago, SKANK said: As long as that opinion is shared respectfully, hopefully it is welcome here. However, based on your posts in this thread, that doesn’t seem to be the case. Every post you make on this forum about Gaga is rude and condescending. You're clearly not interested in Gaga anymore, so why do continue to post? You remind me that it's such a wonderful thing to love. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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