Chromatican 4,046 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Just now, beabeaxo5 said: It's not that it's offensive but it literally isn't funny? It's in poor taste. If a trans woman was offended by it who are you to dictate how they feel? Also I don't think drag race is a fair comparison as almost the entirety of the casts are made up of gay men... It’s not a very good joke, but to call this offensive is going overboard. Have many transwomen been offended by it? I’m not dictating how they should feel personally, I’m just saying that as a community as a whole we can’t stop and be offended at very minor infractions against us. I’m not into respectability politics at large, but if straight and cis people feel as though our community is legalistic and ready to lash out at them for telling a joke about trans people they will likely disengage from their support. We have to pick our battles. A 2 second joke on SNL is not worth it. Are you saying any comedy focusing on LGBT people is off limits? That’s going to make us look like the “snowflakes” we are often accused of being. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCgaga 4,319 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Here we go again. SNL literally makes jokes about everyone. It’s comedy. If you can’t handle comedy, then don’t watch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUtterfield 8 41,277 Posted February 1, 2021 Author Share Posted February 1, 2021 1 minute ago, NCgaga said: Here we go again. SNL literally makes jokes about everyone. It’s comedy. If you can’t handle comedy, then don’t watch. Joking about 9/11 is funny? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCgaga 4,319 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Just now, BUtterfield 8 said: Joking about 9/11 is funny? Huh? What does that have to do with Michael Che’s joke? When does SNL actively joke about 9/11? That’s not comparable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALGAYDO 31,374 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 9 minutes ago, beabeaxo5 said: I also don't wanna see hoards of gay men saying "iTs NoT tRaNsPhOBic" when it's literally not for you decide lmao This shite happens all the time on here, just learn to be quiet sometimes x I get what you’re trying to say, but... you don’t have to be trans to know when something is transphobic. Same way you don’t have to be a POC to know when something is racist, you don’t have to be gay/bi to know something is homophobic, you don’t have to be a woman to know when something is misogynistic, etc etc etc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersonic 49,376 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 7 minutes ago, Chromatican said: Sorry, but this joke was not transphobic at all. LGBT jokes need to be okay at some point. This is a very harmless joke, told to an audience that was obviously pro-trans based on their response to Biden’s decision. This is very different from comedians telling homophobic jokes back in the 80s. As minority groups become more accepted, jokes about them need to become more accepted as well. This pearl clutching about everything is why so many legit allies to the LGBT community feel intimidated and like they’re walking on eggshells. People on drag race make jokes about tucking all the time, and many trans people have a sense of humor about themselves. This joke is at least better than the “I identify as an attack helicopter” jokes from six years ago. doesn't change the fact that the joke was not funny, it is THE low hanging fruit of comedy. And just personally I think there's something inherently wrong with the way people think about how prosecuted minorities "can't take a joke". It's like... what's the point of the joke? Trans people still aren't any less marginalized just because they're now legally allowed to be enslaved by the US military. Is the joke "Now that the orange buffon is out of the office and the government poses less of an actual threat to trans people, we, the general public can finally start making fun of trans people's genitals without feeling like we're contributing to the problem. We stan equality, we hate everyone equally uwu" If you wanna make fun of transgender people... maybe inform yourself about discourse in the community and clown bimbos like Blaire White or neo-marxist trans cat girl twitter accounts who think Josef Stalin is their daddy and would have not thrown them into concentration camps because they're "different". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaLa 19,476 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Michael Che being problematic???? WOW I'm totally shocked this is brand new information Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beanybb 1,235 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 1 minute ago, ALGAYDO said: I get what you’re trying to say, but... you don’t have to be trans to know when something is transphobic. Same way you don’t have to be a POC to know when something is racist, you don’t have to be gay/bi to know something is homophobic, you don’t have to be a woman to know when something is misogynistic, etc etc etc Yeah but it's from the perspective of the individual, you literally can't decide that for them. If a black woman found a "joke" to be racism disguised as such who are you to tell her it's not racist? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runway 27,876 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Suddenly MAGAts love SNL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dynamite 54,183 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 14 minutes ago, beabeaxo5 said: Yeah but it's from the perspective of the individual, you literally can't decide that for them. If a black woman found a "joke" to be racism disguised as such who are you to tell her it's not racist? Out of curiosity, what happens if some trans people think it's offensive and some don't? Like, who gets the final say? Is there an objective answer to this because to me it seems (like with all humour), no matter how controversial or insensitive, it's still subjective. And everyone is entitled to find something funny or unfunny. You can have a problem with a joke of course, but to make everyone else have a problem with it and potentially act like your view is the only one, I have a problem with. Like a poem said by a neydy in red Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beanybb 1,235 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, dynamite said: Out of curiosity, what happens if some trans people think it's offensive and some don't? Like, who gets the final say? Is there an objective answer to this because to me it seems (like with all humour), no matter how controversial or insensitive, it's still subjective. Anyone is entitled to find something funny or unfunny. That's exactly my point, that it comes down to how the individual feels instead of grouping people together as if they all share the same brain, it's just lazy thinking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chromatican 4,046 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, Supersonic said: doesn't change the fact that the joke was not funny, it is THE low hanging fruit of comedy. And just personally I think there's something inherently wrong with the way people think about how prosecuted minorities "can't take a joke". It's like... what's the point of the joke? Trans people still aren't any less marginalized just because they're now legally allowed to be enslaved by the US military. Is the joke "Now that the orange buffon is out of the office and the government poses less of an actual threat to trans people, we, the general public can finally start making fun of trans people's genitals without feeling like we're contributing to the problem. We stan equality, we hate everyone equally uwu" If you wanna make fun of transgender people... maybe inform yourself about discourse in the community and clown bimbos like Blaire White or neo-marxist trans cat girl twitter accounts who think Josef Stalin is their daddy and would have not thrown them into concentration camps because they're "different". This segment on SNL covers news topics, sometimes news topics will include LGBT people. This joke was dumb, but it was not an offensive joke by most metrics. The fact that some trans people tuck is just a fact of life. I have watched many documentaries and known transgender people. I am more informed on the community than the average American by far, to say that I can't have an opinion on transgender jokes is ridiculous. Terfs and right-wingers make OFFENSIVE jokes about trans people, but SNL has to balance respecting a marginalized community and also not tiptoeing around a community completely. I don't like Blaire White. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEANUS 14,776 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 The mental gymnastics people have to go through in the 21st century to decide if something is offensive or not Imagine finding things causing no physical, emotional, or mental harm dangerous. Let’s direct our attention to areas of concern and actual places in the world where LGBTQ+ individuals are genuinely slaughtered just for being born. Not that we should ignore homegrown issues, but I don’t think a person of minority on SNL making a harmless joke about another minority while also applauding advances of the latter minority should be our biggest concern in 2021 British social ladies with upturned pinkies, glasses clinking // xoxoTEANUS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chromatican 4,046 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 7 minutes ago, beabeaxo5 said: Yeah but it's from the perspective of the individual, you literally can't decide that for them. If a black woman found a "joke" to be racism disguised as such who are you to tell her it's not racist? This is a bad example. It is a hypothetical black woman finding a hypothetical joke racist. This joke was not especially vindictive or transphobic. It doesn't include misgendering, violence or cross a boundary of mockery about trans individuals or use transphobic slurs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bottom 1,842 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 That's actually funny, people need to lighten up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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