SNL’s Michael Che under fire for transphobic joke

[Beanybb 1,235]

1 minute ago, Chromatican said:

This is a bad example. It is a hypothetical black woman finding a hypothetical joke racist. This joke was not especially vindictive or transphobic. It doesn't include misgendering, violence or cross a boundary of mockery about trans individuals or use transphobic slurs.

But situations like this happen all the time? It's literally happening in this thread 

[Beanybb 1,235]

No wonder Gaga ain't giving you guys sh*t, ya'll don't know how to act right 

[Chromatican 4,046]

Just now, beabeaxo5 said:

But situations like this happen all the time? It's literally happening in this thread 

Transphobic jokes are jokes that are told by transphobic people, misgender people, mock trans people's experiences, create false equivalences, are violent or vitriolic, or use transphobic slurs. Do you think comedians should never tell any jokes about LGBT topics? Some comedians like Hannah Gadsby are gay comedians who tell jokes about their experiences. Are they not allowed because someone, somewhere might be offended?

[Supersonic 49,376]

Just now, dynamite said:

Out of curiosity, what happens if one trans person thinks it's offensive and one doesn't? Like, who gets the final say? Is there an objective answer to this because to me it seems (like with all humour), no matter how controversial or insensitive, it's still subjective. Anyone is entitled to find something funny or unfunny.

I'm gonna give you the answer you maybe don't wanna hear but need to hear:

There's no right or wrong and nobody gets a final say because there's no federal trans joke tribunal with a grand jury. You're reliant on your own critical thinking skills. But there's some great questions in cases like this that make stuff a little easier.

What's the intent of the joke? What's the punchline of the joke? Is the punchline of the joke a stereotyical trope about a marginalized group? How accurate is the joke? Who is telling the joke? What are the power dynamics between the person who is telling the joke and the group/person who is the butt of the joke? Does the joke make sense? Is the joke funny?

What people misunderstand about progressive discourse is really that no one is trying to censor people. No one is trying to take away free speech or instate federal transphobia censorship bureaus. People are entitled to be as bigoted, misguided and ignorant as they wanna be, after all we can't control people's minds. But like... freedom of speech also means that when you make a joke that somebody doesn't like... they're ENTITLED to take you to the side, try to educate you, question your material and intentions, berate you, criticize you or straight up say "i think your joke is garbage, here's why:" That's the price you pay for your right to free speech, you make yourself vulnerable to other people's view points who don't agree with you. Whether you wanna LISTEN of course is also up to you.

BUT if somebody tries engages you in THAT conversation, it's really a compliment because they think you have the mental capacity of reasoning, empathizing, understanding and being able to come to a common denominator after a 30 minute talk. 

Progressive discourse is not trying to become an authoritan institution that throws people in discrimination jail, it's trying to tell people why their statements might be ignorant and come across as... douchey and then genuinely hoping that people actively choose to not be a douche anymore.

 

[Beanybb 1,235]

18 minutes ago, Chromatican said:

Transphobic jokes are jokes that are told by transphobic people, misgender people, mock trans people's experiences, create false equivalences, are violent or vitriolic, or use transphobic slurs. Do you think comedians should never tell any jokes about LGBT topics? Some comedians like Hannah Gadsby are gay comedians who tell jokes about their experiences. Are they not allowed because someone, somewhere might be offended?

I never said that that people should never tell any jokes about LGBT topics, stop putting words in my mouth. 

If you were aware of the extreme discomfort various trans people go through in relation to their genitals then it would make more sense to you as to why someone could find this "joke" uncomfortable/offensive. A gay person making fun of their OWN experiences is completely different to someone making fun at the expense of others, not comparable at all.

 

 

[Chromatican 4,046]

2 minutes ago, beabeaxo5 said:

I never said that that people should never tell any jokes about LGBT topics, stop putting words in my mouth. 

If you were aware of the extreme discomfort various trans people go through in relation to their genitals then it would make more sense to you as to why someone could find this "joke" uncomfortable. A gay person making fun of their OWN experiences is completely different to someone making fun at the expense of others, not comparable at all.

 

 

I am well aware of how uncomfortable SOME trangender people are and how dysphoric they are in regards to their genitalia, but a joke about tucking is very tame, and is not making fun of the trans community at large. The joke was comparing trans people in the military to gays in the military, not saying trans people are lesser or anything.

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These jokes been done since forever, the only difference is people are too sensitive now 

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55 minutes ago, BUtterfield 8 said:

Joking about 9/11 is funny?

There has been jokes about 9/11 and nazism and Hitler since forever, it's what comedians too, depends how they do it I agree, but if you're too sensitive for comedy I'd recommend people to not watch it and instead only watch very tamed comedy shows or movies. We all have our own taste and trigger level

[Oriane 20,512]

I don't get it  Did he say "tuck"?

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23 minutes ago, Supersonic said:

Progressive discourse is not trying to become an authoritan institution that throws people in discrimination jail, it's trying to tell people why their statements might be ignorant and come across as... douchey

Sounds good but the reality is not as beautiful as you put it. In a good society it's what would happen, but in today's age, the drawing is banned/Censored and the artist fired, the comedian is #cancelled and fired, the singer is banned from singing, and the actor has no career. Let comedians do their work, let artists be artists, let satire live, let sarcasm be present, that's true democracy, not banning people because a certain percentage of the population on social media doesn't like it

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1 hour ago, Chromatican said:

Sorry, but this joke was not transphobic at all. LGBT jokes need to be okay at some point. This is a very harmless joke, told to an audience that was obviously pro-trans based on their response to Biden’s decision. This is very different from comedians telling homophobic jokes back in the 80s. As minority groups become more accepted, jokes about them need to become more accepted as well. This pearl clutching about everything is why so many legit allies to the LGBT community feel intimidated and like they’re walking on eggshells. People on drag race make jokes about tucking all the time, and many trans people have a sense of humor about themselves. This joke is at least better than the “I identify as an attack helicopter” jokes from six years ago.

I agree.

It would be offensive if it even qualified as a joke It crashed before it even picked up speed. What the hell was that? Even Colin knew, you see his face?

 

[Supersonic 49,376]

4 minutes ago, KanyeWest said:

Sounds good but the reality is not as beautiful as you put it. In a good society it's what would happen, but in today's age, the drawing is banned/Censored and the artist fired, the comedian is #cancelled and fired, the singer is banned from singing, and the actor has no career. Let comedians do their work, let artists be artists, let satire live, let sarcasm be present, that's true democracy, not banning people because a certain percentage of the population on social media doesn't like it

That's... straight up a lie.  Literally nobody is banned or censored, except for maybe people who advocate for provocactive and violent leftist ideas *cough* kathy griffin *cough*. 

If people were actually censored we wouldn't be having this thread about transphobia on SNL. Your employers disagreeing with you and cutting ties because they think you're a bigoted sh*tgibon that makes the company look bad is not the same as being banned or censored. No one is legally required to love you, socially include you and present you with lucrative work opportunities. Nobody is entitled to any of those things, not receiving those things is NOT a human rights violation. Regardless of your political affiliation.

Life is not as easy as you try to make it seem. 

[MJHolland 12,725]

1 hour ago, TEANUS said:

 heeerreee we go

The minuscule stuff that people will use their time and energy on when fighting huge issues 

Transphobia isn’t a huge issue to you and that’s fine 

There are lots of bigots and complicit bystanders when it comes to trans issues, so you’ll be in good company 

[ToxicHot 6,444]

Ummm.... that’s not transphobic?

And also - there are soooo many writers at SNL. He shouldn’t be the (only) one under fire for this.
 

Although, I agree - it wasn’t funny.

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19 minutes ago, MJHolland said:

Transphobia isn’t a huge issue to you and that’s fine 

There are lots of bigots and complicit bystanders when it comes to trans issues, so you’ll be in good company 

I think the huge issue I’m referring to is the rights of trans people so idk how I’m being bigoted but go off, this is hardly transphobic as literally everyone else has tried to explain. Keep on fighting people online I guess