Ally Campana 15,284 Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 ‘I’m a very critical person and I enjoy debating and challenging my ideas and others’ - then go join a debate forum or something, tf? Killing the mood for everyone and ruining the thread by posting your, quite frankly, narrow view on the situation where you relentlessly focus on the negative aspect of it and not even focusing on the donation itself at all. Instead you’re focusing on the activities of the corporations who are donating and you had a nerve to say ‘Why is a celebrity doing this?’ and criticise fandoms on a FAN FORUM. And the supposed solution you gave for Gaga was for her to ‘join strikes and donate to them’ which will lead to nothing in finding the cure and thousands more would quickly pass away without heading nowhere in finding a cure. These corporate leaders are not moral or ethical but they have the money to fund research and to supply necessities all over the world. You’re narrow view can’t even let you look at the big picture. Do everyone a favour and stfu. Does it matter? Damage is done Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daylight Jokers 14,958 Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 There's lots of mean things I want to say to a certain user here but I don't want to get another Warm Peanut. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daylight Jokers 14,958 Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 4 hours ago, KatieJudasGaga4 said: @Admin can you do something? His/her posts are always like this. Users like this deserve to get perm a blonde. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GipJo 2,912 Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 If @Faysalaaahas a solution to fix capitalism's flaw, I would happy to know. Until then, stop using this shallow narrative to drag Gaga or other companies who are doing things. Being cynical won't help anything at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronk 14,762 Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 10 hours ago, Jillie said: She’s a true angel with a diamond heart! It’s so beautiful and inspiring that she’s doing this fundraiser and concert to help the world. We are truly lucky to look up to someone who’s so kind and loving. Exactly. I live outside the space time continuum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
babylonn 126 Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 1 hour ago, GipJo said: If @Faysalaaahas a solution to fix capitalism's flaw, I would happy to know. Until then, stop using this shallow narrative to drag Gaga or other companies who are doing things. Being cynical won't help anything at all. This is true but...I went to business school and corporations and business people are all taught today that "corporate social responsibility" aka "corporate kindness" is a necessary part of running a super successful large company...almost to the point of using it as promo/deflect from negative actions (you see it all the time with how some of these companies try to save face) so that other user has a point in that people should always be cautious of companies like GE, Apple, (especially oil companies) etc that "over philanthropize" to compensate for something bad they were doing before. I wouldn't be surprised if they're latching on to Gaga's extreme goodwill with the world for their own personal benefit so people have a right and probably should always be at least a bit skeptical of moves like this as a proportionate counter balance for lack of better words. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GipJo 2,912 Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 11 minutes ago, babylonn said: This is true but...I went to business school and corporations and business people are all taught today that "corporate social responsibility" aka "corporate kindness" is a necessary part of running a super successful large company...almost to the point of using it as promo/deflect from negative actions (you see it all the time with how some of these companies try to save face) so that other user has a point in that people should always be cautious of companies like GE, Apple, (especially oil companies) etc that "over philanthropize" to compensate for something bad they were doing before. I wouldn't be surprised if they're latching on to Gaga's extreme goodwill with the world for their own personal benefit so people have a right and probably should always be at least a bit skeptical of moves like this as a proportionate counter balance for lack of better words. Still, my point is, this is a basic flaw of capitalism, you can't change it (as of now and maybe decades to come) unless countries don't run capitalism at all. Knowing this, you should be thankful that some companis are doing things even they don't have to, so it's unnecessary to complain them over companis that do nothing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresco 1,688 Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 10 hours ago, Faysalaaa said: Why is everyone acting like the dont know what the stimulus bill is? Im not a leftist, socialist, or a democrat yet I know about this? Im not talking about people buying from corporation, WTF?! You are a Saudi Arabian according to your profile. You have been off-topic almost this entire thread with a huge number of posts, throwing disparaging remarks about Gaga, American politicians, capitalism, and theft. I don't want to go off-topic. But if you want to discuss how Saudi Arabia has stolen from you then you need to open a different thread. This thread is not about American politics and is not about capitalism. You have been reported for going very off-topic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresco 1,688 Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 Interesting, Pepsi twitter says they are partnering with Global Citizen. Global Citizen is a movement to end extreme poverty by 2030. I'm just looking forward to a good show. I wonder if all the performers will literally be at home, or at least at a local tv station. Hardly anyone flies anywhere this month. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 3 hours ago, GipJo said: If @Faysalaaahas a solution to fix capitalism's flaw, I would happy to know. Until then, stop using this shallow narrative to drag Gaga or other companies who are doing things. Being cynical won't help anything at all. I actually do have solutions, do you want me to get into it with you? or are you just saying this because you have nothing to say? Also, I am a capitalist so im not criticizing capitalism. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 44 minutes ago, Fresco said: You are a Saudi Arabian according to your profile. You have been off-topic almost this entire thread with a huge number of posts, throwing disparaging remarks about Gaga, American politicians, capitalism, and theft. I don't want to go off-topic. But if you want to discuss how Saudi Arabia has stolen from you then you need to open a different thread. This thread is not about American politics and is not about capitalism. You have been reported for going very off-topic. The topic is about Gaga getting money from the biggest 80 corporations in America, my comment was these corporations stole American peoples money. So obviously this is not off topic. Are you seriously saying I am not aloud to have an opinion about other countries because of my nationality??! So basically you have nothing to say but to point out my nationality and mock me in a passive aggressive way, good job on embaressing yourself Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 3 hours ago, Ally Campana said: ‘I’m a very critical person and I enjoy debating and challenging my ideas and others’ - then go join a debate forum or something, tf? Killing the mood for everyone and ruining the thread by posting your, quite frankly, narrow view on the situation where you relentlessly focus on the negative aspect of it and not even focusing on the donation itself at all. Instead you’re focusing on the activities of the corporations who are donating and you had a nerve to say ‘Why is a celebrity doing this?’ and criticise fandoms on a FAN FORUM. And the supposed solution you gave for Gaga was for her to ‘join strikes and donate to them’ which will lead to nothing in finding the cure and thousands more would quickly pass away without heading nowhere in finding a cure. These corporate leaders are not moral or ethical but they have the money to fund research and to supply necessities all over the world. You’re narrow view can’t even let you look at the big picture. Do everyone a favour and stfu. The money corporations are donating is not their money, they do not have the money. Its the stimulus bill money that is taken from the American people. They are literally donating your money and keeping 99% of it to themselves. And people like you will defend them either because you love Gaga, or because you dont even know what ur talking about. I did not criticize fandoms, I criticized people using their fandom to minamize a real issue effecting the world. I am on debate forums, but im also here. Nobody is forced to debate me and im not ruining the forum mood. People replying to me and attacking me are and I have to reply back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
babylonn 126 Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 1 hour ago, GipJo said: Still, my point is, this is a basic flaw of capitalism, you can't change it (as of now and maybe decades to come) unless countries don't run capitalism at all. Knowing this, you should be thankful that some companis are doing things even they don't have to, so it's unnecessary to complain them over companis that do nothing. Wheeww I'm not finna argue with those abs sis but my point is just that a lot of the companies likely donating (we don't have the list yet) have done many shady things /literally oppressed people (and I don't use that term lightly) and I personally don't subscribe to the notion of being "thankful" for any generosity an oppressor has to offer. Also sorry edit just to expand on what I mean to say is just because Gaga collaborated with Kim Jong Un I wouldn't be 100% on board with that just because it's Gaga and it's better than nothing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 5 minutes ago, babylonn said: Wheeww I'm not finna argue with those abs sis but my point is just that a lot of the companies likely donating (we don't have the list yet) have done many shady things /literally oppressed people (and I don't use that term lightly) and I personally don't subscribe to the notion of being "thankful" for any generosity an oppressor has to offer. After the economic crash and caronavirus crisis in 2020, the government gave trillions of dollars to help corporations. But they told the American people there is nothing we can do to help you. Now American people will lose jobs and end up homeless, while corporations will grow bigger and buy the whole country. These same corporations are the one who are joining Gaga to "donate" their money and people are thanking them. They are doing this to clean up their image and take credit for finding a cure. They are literally donating 0.1% of the money they stole from Americans. These trillions should be going to Americans and finding a cure, yet people are thanking them for donating millions. According to everyone here, im being negative and should be thankful to the money donated! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
babylonn 126 Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Faysalaaa said: After the economic crash and caronavirus crisis in 2020, the government gave trillions of dollars to help corporations. But they told the American people there is nothing we can do to help you. Now American people will lose jobs and end up homeless, while corporations will gain more money. These same corporations are the one who are joining Gaga to donate their money and people are thanking them. They are literally donating 0.1% of the money they stole from Americans. According to everyone here, im being negative and should be thankful to the money donated! I think there are two factors at play here -- one: philanthropy is in general a very good, commendable thing and rightfully perceived as such by many, and two-- gaga is involved and we are all inclined to appreciate what gaga does and has to say. i heavily trust our gal and believe in her but unfortunately, that doesn't mean she doesn't or is unable to work with companies that have done and continue to do weird things (or artists in the case of r kelly). so i just can't jive with the idea that i need to be supportive of everything she does just because it looks good on paper. of course, any money raised for the cause is amazing but I would indeed like to see where it goes and think people have a right to know Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Featured Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.