Guest Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 If you want a DNR, by all means. Under no circumstance, however, should one be forced upon anyone. I would hope nobody would want one imposed on them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chic 20,830 Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 Is this even legal? :v Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartySick 173,168 Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 7 minutes ago, kcapper said: Then you should have no problem trying to SAVE YOUR PATIENT! If we cannot support the Right to Die as a nation, whereas a person CHOOSES FOR THEMSELVES to die, then how can we even attempt to justify this? Ok, so they save one patient at the cost of infecting themselves and removing themselves from being able to even treat another. Hell, that doctor's health might deteriorate to the point that they become a patient. According to a few sources from Google, the average hospital has about 80 doctors. If they get infected and/or die, who's left to treat the thousands more who will be infected to the point of needing treatment? This is extremely sad but it will save many more lives in the long run than letting doctors martyr themselves for people who don't have much of a chance at survival, even with resuscitation. We still have no real treatment or prevention for this disease other than "just don't catch it". Once we do, then the narrative will shift and this policy won't need to exist anymore. I won't argue with you anymore 'cause I see your point, I just think the reality of this situation is more grim than that. Whimsical bitch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FATCAT 60,896 Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 1 hour ago, kcapper said: WHAT THE LITERAL **** IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW?!?!?!?! If you support this decision, you are a disgusting piece of ****. And that's a ****ing fact. No one would ever support a policy like this, but it's a reality we have to face in a pandemic. This kitten over here (meow) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elijahfan 27,499 Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 Stay safe, everyone.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FATCAT 60,896 Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 48 minutes ago, rasclautmangos said: That is f*cking grim. No point in going to the hospital huh? Might as well just stay home and die. This is so depressing. I'm really scared for vulnerable individuals. I have a three year old nephew with chronic lung disease If someone can be placed on a ventilator or oxygen that may save their life, but if they die from the illness they probably won't be resuscitated successfully anyway. The pneumonia will stop air flow no matter what. This kitten over here (meow) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 Just now, PartySick said: Ok, so they save one patient at the cost of infecting themselves and removing themselves from being able to even treat another. Hell, that doctor's health might deteriorate to the point that they become a patient. According to a few sources from Google, the average hospital has about 80 doctors. If they get infected and/or die, who's left to treat the thousands more who will be infected to the point of needing treatment? This is extremely sad but it will save many more lives in the long run than letting doctors martyr themselves for people who don't have much of a chance at survival, even with resuscitation. We still have no real treatment or prevention for this disease other than "just don't catch it". Once we do, then the narrative will shift and this policy won't need to exist anymore. I won't argue with you anymore 'cause I see your point, I just think the reality of this situation is more grim than that. I absolutely agree the situation is more grim. So the solution to the unknown is to just let the infected die off? If you cannot fulfill your duty as a healthcare provider, you need to reevaluate your career choices, as opposed to allowing someone to die potentially against their wishes. We are already at a shortage. Turning your back to the situation is no answer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeleteMyAccount 11,881 Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 35 minutes ago, kcapper said: Don't want to risk it? Go into another profession! It doesn't pay as much? Welcome to the daily life of most people. You take an oath. If you cannot honor it, do NOT take it. And if you cannot handle it, GO! Bye!!! You're speaking a lot. So how about you help figure out the shortage of PPE which is essentially the reason why DNR is even being discussed. Patients aren't being left to die for no reason. This is the reality that health professionals are being faced with because our hospitals are being overrun. And we're only at the beginning of this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blankpaper 21 Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 2 minutes ago, kcapper said: I absolutely agree the situation is more grim. So the solution to the unknown is to just let the infected die off? If you cannot fulfill your duty as a healthcare provider, you need to reevaluate your career choices, as opposed to allowing someone to die potentially against their wishes. We are already at a shortage. Turning your back to the situation is no answer. They gotta play chess instead of checkers hon. It’s not just some doctors who don’t feel like doing their job, it’s administrators trying to look 15 steps ahead and strategize how to best serve the community and mitigate risk. In any crisis or disaster situation, they prioritize the ones with the best chance of survival. This is really no different reality’s tight if the music is right Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 1 minute ago, ZacharyMark said: You're speaking a lot. So how about you help figure out the shortage of PPE which is essentially the reason why DNR is even being discussed. Patients aren't being left to die for no reason. This is the reality that health professionals are being faced with because our hospitals are being overrun. And we're only at the beginning of this. For the record, never once did I say I have the answer to our understaffed and overextended healthcare system. This matter is greater than any one person. What I am saying is NO PERSON should die because a healthcare professional, someone entrusted with our livelihood, refuses to even attempt to save them. This is very literally leaving a patient to die. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blankpaper 21 Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 24 minutes ago, PartySick said: Your wp's are in the mail, hun I get why they're upset though. We all should be upset that it's come to this tbh. It's just a matter of understanding why this is the best option we have in a horrible situation The fact that I checked haha Spoiler reality’s tight if the music is right Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 4 minutes ago, blankpaper said: They gotta play chess instead of checkers hon. It’s not just some doctors who don’t feel like doing their job, it’s administrators trying to look 15 steps ahead and strategize how to best serve the community and mitigate risk. In any crisis or disaster situation, they prioritize the ones with the best chance of survival. This is really no different While I concede a practicality to this "cutting off the hand to save the arm" mentality, under no circumstance should a human's basic right to life - which we apparently "value" in the United States - be stripped from them without their or a guardian's consent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eighteen 5,430 Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 53 minutes ago, SamanthaC said: My best friend is supposed to go to Hawaii at the end of May. I told her to be watching what was happening. She may need to just go ahead and reschedule. she may need to, i'm not sure. by the looks of things i don't know if any of the restrictions put in place here are going to be lifted by then. she definitely doesn't want to come and have to be quarantined the entire vacation Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeleteMyAccount 11,881 Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 5 minutes ago, kcapper said: For the record, never once did I say I have the answer to our understaffed and overextended healthcare system. This matter is greater than any one person. What I am saying is NO PERSON should die because a healthcare professional, someone entrusted with our livelihood, refuses to even attempt to save them. This is very literally leaving a patient to die. Well yea, no one should die. But unfortunately with this pandemic, our healthcare personnel are being forced to weigh their options. DNR hasn't happened yet regarding covid-19, but the whole reason it is being considered is because of the reality of low PPE and the surge of potential patients. So hopefully this will not happen, but when the National Guard has to build temp hospitals in parking lots you know that options are becoming scarce. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miel 15,009 Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 Stunning and horrifying on multiple levels. Healthcare workers on the frontline are likely being pushed to the limit, professionally and emotionally. The healthcare system in the US is inadequate, already. As somebody who is working secondarily in a healthcare-adjacent field, it’s kind of terrifying. I have friends who are nurses, and they’re getting piled up quick. 1 hour ago, Eighteen said: i'm in hawaii, yeah. tourists are coming here from various places though i'm guessing. but the local news has interviewed someone from the mainland USA just today iirc. flights continue to come in i believe bc it is under federal jurisdiction, though i could be wrong about that reasoning. the state of hawaii has just imposed a 14 day quarantine for anybody coming in. way late in my opinion, but it's something. hawai’i tourism culture is detrimental enough overall. Glad there’s a quarantine imposed, but im surprised flights weren’t just halted overall? if they even have that power i know similar situations happened in nz where initial cases were linked to European tourists, and yet foreign visitors were still adamant about coming in anyway 3 points in and ready for more Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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